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Didn't he fued with Flair once Spirit Squad was finished?
Wrestling Thread: 4/11 TNA Impact LIVE - Bully Ray v Jeff Hardy TLC Match for the World Title
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Didn't he fued with Flair once Spirit Squad was finished?
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Yeah, that was excellent storytelling with Okada's right arm and Tanahashi's neck. Plus, Okada can sure charm his way out of a botch.
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1. I love Tanahashi man. How many dragon screws did he hit in that match? LOL
2. RT @JRsBBQ: “@NickManJohnson: @JRsBBQ i heard you were gay, is this true?
Nope...you? What would it matter or are you just stupid? ~
2. RT @JRsBBQ: “@NickManJohnson: @JRsBBQ i heard you were gay, is this true?
Nope...you? What would it matter or are you just stupid? ~
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Dude had that freakishly athletic Leg Drop from the top rope. He also had Mickie James, but Scumbag Cena had to intervene
I think so. I remember he was a former IC champion, too.
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I'm sure it's a very low percentage on actual roids but I'm sure everyone is taking something sold from a GNC store. Like Creatine for example. I know most of the stuff from GNC is considered Roids in all of the major US sports. Look at how big Brock is on WWE but when he went to the UFC he slimmed down a little bit. I think that was from him getting off the Creatine or Cell Tech or whatever he was taking.
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Shotgun >>> Thunder, especially the early years of Shotgun
I remember Kenny was supposed to be the breakout guy, then the usual happened. Had Victoria as his valet for a bit, then he returned after another absence in some attire that included those short Goldberg style boots. Then he interrupted either a HHH or Orton promo, took one of their finishers and that was the end of him.
I remember Kenny was supposed to be the breakout guy, then the usual happened. Had Victoria as his valet for a bit, then he returned after another absence in some attire that included those short Goldberg style boots. Then he interrupted either a HHH or Orton promo, took one of their finishers and that was the end of him.
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Oh yea, Stone Cold has a podcast YALL.
HBK was a guest on the last show.
Not sure if it is on ITUNES yet.
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RT @KidKash202: @courtbauer Thoughts on the Fandango craze? Who should WWE do with it?
RT @courtbauer: @KidKash202 Book him on Dancing with the Stars for a cameo. Hire 200 improv actors, take over Grand Central & do an impromptu fandango dance
RT @KidKash202: @courtbauer LOL No man forreal.........what should they do. LOL. That would be funny though.
RT @courtbauer: @KidKash202 I’m serious. THat’d end up on @GMA and project that this **** is blowing up.
HBK was a guest on the last show.
Not sure if it is on ITUNES yet.
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RT @KidKash202: @courtbauer Thoughts on the Fandango craze? Who should WWE do with it?
RT @courtbauer: @KidKash202 Book him on Dancing with the Stars for a cameo. Hire 200 improv actors, take over Grand Central & do an impromptu fandango dance
RT @KidKash202: @courtbauer LOL No man forreal.........what should they do. LOL. That would be funny though.
RT @courtbauer: @KidKash202 I’m serious. THat’d end up on @GMA and project that this **** is blowing up.
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Dude had that freakishly athletic Leg Drop from the top rope. He also had Mickie James, but Scumbag Cena had to intervene
I think so. I remember he was a former IC champion, too.
I don't think he held the IC belt, just the tag team ones from his Spirit Squad days. I do remember him being set for a push once the SS dissolved, thus his short feud with Flair.
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Sidebar on this match; to really get the full enjoyment out of this match you would have to watch their previous three matches because this last match builds off the other three
with their counters and counters to counters. It's still a great match without having watched the older ones, but you'll enjoy it a lot more.
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He blamed Cena for blackballing him from the business. Also blamed Cena for ruining his engagement with Mickie James.
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The Rock will not be undergoing surgery for his injuries. At least not at this time. He does not (can not) delay the filming of Hercules which begins next month. He also has to promote Pain & Gain and Fast & Furious 6. If he does return to WWE as a wrestler, it won't be quite some time.
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Yeah then his finance cheated on him with fruity pebbles apparently. Women can make or break you sometimes.
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All of a sudden I really like this guy
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It also wouldn't hurt to watch Tanahashi/Suzuki from last year to see Tana abuse the dragon screw leg whip, and Tanahashi/Anderson from this past February to see how Anderson works over Tana's neck, not least of all because they were also both great matches.
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Who Bret Hart wants to end Undertakers streak?
WWE Hall of Famer Bret Hart took part in a Facebook Q&A today. Here are some highlights.
Who should end The Undertaker’s streak: “Joe Henning (Michael McGillicutty)”
Fitting match for the Undertaker to go out on: “Lets just say at WM 50 (I’m sure he meant 30) – Undertaker loses streak to Joe Henning … and he is pinned with the PerfectPlex at the 59 minute mark.”
Who should end The Undertaker’s streak: “Joe Henning (Michael McGillicutty)”
Fitting match for the Undertaker to go out on: “Lets just say at WM 50 (I’m sure he meant 30) – Undertaker loses streak to Joe Henning … and he is pinned with the PerfectPlex at the 59 minute mark.”
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Bret Hart lost his mind a long time ago. I don't take anything he says seriously.
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MAJOR live Impact from Corpus Christi, TX
Bully Ray vs. Jeff Hardy in a Full Metal Mayhem (TLC) match for the TNA title
Bobby Roode & Austin Aries vs. Chavo Guerrero Jr. & Hernandez for the TNA tag titles and if Guerrero Jr. & Hernandez lose, they can never team together in TNA
Gut check with Adam Pearce and Magno
Taryn Terrell vs Gail Kim
Bully Ray vs. Jeff Hardy in a Full Metal Mayhem (TLC) match for the TNA title
Bobby Roode & Austin Aries vs. Chavo Guerrero Jr. & Hernandez for the TNA tag titles and if Guerrero Jr. & Hernandez lose, they can never team together in TNA
Gut check with Adam Pearce and Magno
Taryn Terrell vs Gail Kim
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WrestleMania Attendance Information
Credit: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter
The announced crowd of 80,676 at MetLife Stadium in East Rutherford, NJ, would be the second largest announced figure in company history, trailing the WrestleMania III mythological record of 93,173.
They didn’t announce a company record or a building record, since the building record for MetLife Stadium was 93,000 and even with mark-up there was no way they could claim that figure, even though they did float a 90,000 number on the web site before the show and several media stories in previewing it had that number.
It appears the big thing now is to announce a figure that would be more than the Super Bowl. This coming season’s Super Bowl takes place in February at MetLife Stadium.
The crowd number was an interesting story all week. The front office types were using the figure 70,000 people would be attending, which was the number reported at the company’s own press conference during the week and was the real number. However, on the company web site, the same day as the press conference, they were talking a 90,000 number, which I figured was the entertainment number. Both numbers appeared in various media stories leading up to the show. The place had been sold out for a month, so it’s not like numbers were going to change after the last few days. We don’t have an official number, and may never get one this year, but a representative of Met Life Stadium said it was approximately 72,000, making it the fifth largest crowd legitimately in company history.
Even the day of the show, there were different people on the broadcast floating different numbers, meaning signals were crossed internally on what to announce. On the pre-game show, the figure they used was about 87,000, and the rule of thumb with WWE is to then later in the show announce a number slightly higher than the number used during the broadcast. However, when the show started, just minutes later, Michael Cole said they were there before “almost 80,000 fans.”
The publicly announced attendance mark was just before the Cena vs. Rock main event. They gave a number and moved on, as opposed to making claims about the number breaking records as they’ve done almost every year.
The legitimate record is 78,927 fans on August 31, 1992, at Wembley Stadium in London for that year’s SummerSlam (announced at 80,355), headlined by Bret Hart vs. Davey Boy Smith for the IC title and Ultimate Warrior vs. Randy Savage. WrestleMania III was a little over 78,000 on March 29, 1987, at the Pontiac Silverdome, headlined by Hulk Hogan vs. Andre the Giant. No. 3 came at WrestleMania 23 on April 1, 2007, at Ford Field in Detroit, with the Battle of the “Billionaires” hair with Vince McMahon and Donald Trump and the Bobby Lashley vs. Umaga match with Steve Austin as referee. That real number was 74,687 (announced 80,103), and this show was expected to be in the same range as that. It’s possible this show could have beaten that one.
No. 4 is the 74,635 number for WrestleMania 24, on March 30, 2008, at the Florida Citrus Bowl in Orlando, headlined by Big Show vs Floyd Mayweather Jr. and the Ric Flair vs. Shawn Michaels retirement match.
But it would be unfair to rank that show above this one. That show had 11,500 tickets given away to fill the building. This year’s show had very limited giveaways, as there was no need for them, given it sold out a month ahead of time.
No. 5 going into this week was 68,237 for the March 17, 2002, WrestleMania at Skydome headlined by Hulk Hogan vs. The Rock and that number was topped this time out.
Credit: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter
The announced crowd of 80,676 at MetLife Stadium in East Rutherford, NJ, would be the second largest announced figure in company history, trailing the WrestleMania III mythological record of 93,173.
They didn’t announce a company record or a building record, since the building record for MetLife Stadium was 93,000 and even with mark-up there was no way they could claim that figure, even though they did float a 90,000 number on the web site before the show and several media stories in previewing it had that number.
It appears the big thing now is to announce a figure that would be more than the Super Bowl. This coming season’s Super Bowl takes place in February at MetLife Stadium.
The crowd number was an interesting story all week. The front office types were using the figure 70,000 people would be attending, which was the number reported at the company’s own press conference during the week and was the real number. However, on the company web site, the same day as the press conference, they were talking a 90,000 number, which I figured was the entertainment number. Both numbers appeared in various media stories leading up to the show. The place had been sold out for a month, so it’s not like numbers were going to change after the last few days. We don’t have an official number, and may never get one this year, but a representative of Met Life Stadium said it was approximately 72,000, making it the fifth largest crowd legitimately in company history.
Even the day of the show, there were different people on the broadcast floating different numbers, meaning signals were crossed internally on what to announce. On the pre-game show, the figure they used was about 87,000, and the rule of thumb with WWE is to then later in the show announce a number slightly higher than the number used during the broadcast. However, when the show started, just minutes later, Michael Cole said they were there before “almost 80,000 fans.”
The publicly announced attendance mark was just before the Cena vs. Rock main event. They gave a number and moved on, as opposed to making claims about the number breaking records as they’ve done almost every year.
The legitimate record is 78,927 fans on August 31, 1992, at Wembley Stadium in London for that year’s SummerSlam (announced at 80,355), headlined by Bret Hart vs. Davey Boy Smith for the IC title and Ultimate Warrior vs. Randy Savage. WrestleMania III was a little over 78,000 on March 29, 1987, at the Pontiac Silverdome, headlined by Hulk Hogan vs. Andre the Giant. No. 3 came at WrestleMania 23 on April 1, 2007, at Ford Field in Detroit, with the Battle of the “Billionaires” hair with Vince McMahon and Donald Trump and the Bobby Lashley vs. Umaga match with Steve Austin as referee. That real number was 74,687 (announced 80,103), and this show was expected to be in the same range as that. It’s possible this show could have beaten that one.
No. 4 is the 74,635 number for WrestleMania 24, on March 30, 2008, at the Florida Citrus Bowl in Orlando, headlined by Big Show vs Floyd Mayweather Jr. and the Ric Flair vs. Shawn Michaels retirement match.
But it would be unfair to rank that show above this one. That show had 11,500 tickets given away to fill the building. This year’s show had very limited giveaways, as there was no need for them, given it sold out a month ahead of time.
No. 5 going into this week was 68,237 for the March 17, 2002, WrestleMania at Skydome headlined by Hulk Hogan vs. The Rock and that number was topped this time out.
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WrestleMania Live Gate Information
Credit: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter
The company announced a figure of $11.3 million, which blows away all existing pro wrestling records. Unlike the attendance figures, the live gate is based on real numbers from ticket sales.
The only record the company claimed coming out of the show was the “entertainment” gate record for MetLife Stadium, which notably eliminates sports events from comparisons. The Super Bowl early next year will probably do around four times the number due to higher ticket prices. The “entertainment” record in the stadium was a July 20, 2011, concert by U2 that did $8.9 million. The company also claimed it was the fourth year in a row that WrestleMania broke the venue’s all-time “entertainment” gate record. Since concerts don’t charge as high ticket prices as high-end sports, WrestleMania should beat non-sports gate marks just about everywhere they play.
But the number is figured differently from boxing or MMA, in the sense that WWE Mania figures included the service charges tacked onto the ticket price. For example, last year they announced an $8.9 million figure, but later it came out the real figure the way all other sports would tabulate the number was $8.2 million. When WWE does its normal house show gates, they don’t include the service charge on the tickets. As it was explained to me, the service charge money is something the consumer pays for the tickets, so they are using that for Mania.
Using the price of the tickets and not including service charges, the way everyone else in sports and concerts do it, the gate was $11 million when the stadium was sold out weeks away. That number would likely be a little higher based on any late sales after production moved in and some seats were added, but it wouldn’t change much. If you figure the same 8% increase when you include the service charges that last year’s show had, the comparable gate as everyone else would consider it, would come out at $11.3 million. It could be slightly higher or slightly lower, but probably not by much.
It’s at a different level than any pro wrestling event in history, beating last year’s record by somewhere in the neighborhood of 37 percent.
It’s just shy of the $12,075,000 U.S. for the UFC 129 show on April 30, 2011, in Toronto’s Rogers Center (although with the change in Canadian dollars to U.S. dollars, if that figure in Canadian money was figured today, the numbers would be very close). When it comes to combat sports, with the exception of UFC 129, the only other events that come in that range are the biggest of the boxing matches. But even so, there are only about ten boxing gates that beat this one ever in Las Vegas, where most of the biggest gates take place because of the ability to charge high ticket prices. There have been a few others outside Las Vegas, but not many. For MMA, it blew away any number except the Rogers Centre show.
UPDATED ALL-TIME WRESTLING/MMA TOP 25 IN NORTH AMERICA (based on verified figures)
1. $12,075,000 - 4/30/11 UFC 129 Toronto (GSP vs. Jake Shields)
2. $11,300,000 est, - 4/7/13 Mania 29 East Rutherford, NJ (The Rock vs. John Cena)
3. $8,223,000 est. - 4/1/12 Mania 28 Miami (The Rock vs. John Cena)
4. $7,211,673 - 4/5/09 Mania 25 Houston (Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels)
5. $6,976,305 - 7/7/12 UFC148 Las Vegas (Anderson Silva vs. Sonnen)*
6. $6,268,391 - 4/3/11 Mania 27 Atlanta (Rock’s return/Cena vs. Miz)
7. $5,854,590 - 3/30/08 Mania 24 Orlando (Mayweather vs. Show)
8. $5,529,172 - 3/28/10 Mania 26 Phoenix (Undertaker vs. Michaels)
9. $5,441,290 - 7/11/09 UFC 100 Las Vegas (Lesnar vs. Mir)*
10. $5,397,300 - 12/30/06 UFC 66 Las Vegas (Liddell vs. Ortiz)
11. $5,380,000 - 4/7/07 Mania 23 Detroit (Trump’s hair vs. Vince’s hair)
12. $5,086,352 - 4/19/08 UFC 83 Montreal (GSP vs. Matt Serra)
13. $5,060,352 - 12/19/07 UFC 79 Las Vegas (Liddell vs Wanderlei Silva)
14. $4,887,300 - 4/18/09UFC 97 Montreal (Liddell vs. Shogun Rua)
15. $4,815,625 - 11/18/08 UFC 91 Las Vegas (Lesnar vs. Couture)
16. $4,621,389 - 12/11/10 UFC 124 Montreal (GSP vs. Josh Koscheck)
17. $4,304,740 - 5/26/97 UFC 71 Las Vegas (Liddell vs. Quinton Jackson)
18. $4,290,020 - 1/31/09 UFC 94 Las Vegas (GSP vs. B.J. Penn)
19. $4,095,235 - 6/12/10 UFC 115 Vancouver (Liddell vs. Rich Franklin)
20. $4,053,990 - 7/3/10 UFC 116 Las Vegas (Lesnar vs. Shane Carwin)
21. $4,010,000 - 7/21/12 UFC 149 Calgary (Barao vs. Faber)**
22. $3,951,125 - 6/29/10 UFC 114 Las Vegas (Evans vs. Quinton Jackson)
23. $3,926,800 - 10/29/12 UFC 137 Las Vegas (Penn vs. Nick Diaz)***
24. $3,864,033 - 3/27/02 Mania 18 Toronto (Rock vs. John Cena)
25. $3,791,000 - 12/10/11 UFC 140 Toronto (Jon Jones vs. Machida
*Includes on or near site closed-circuit numbers
**All tickets were sold out on the first day they were put on sale. Jose Aldo vs. Erik Koch was the advertised main event at that time.
***All tickets were sold out well ahead of time for a GSP vs. Carlos Condit match, but GSP pulled out after tearing his ACL.
Credit: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter
The company announced a figure of $11.3 million, which blows away all existing pro wrestling records. Unlike the attendance figures, the live gate is based on real numbers from ticket sales.
The only record the company claimed coming out of the show was the “entertainment” gate record for MetLife Stadium, which notably eliminates sports events from comparisons. The Super Bowl early next year will probably do around four times the number due to higher ticket prices. The “entertainment” record in the stadium was a July 20, 2011, concert by U2 that did $8.9 million. The company also claimed it was the fourth year in a row that WrestleMania broke the venue’s all-time “entertainment” gate record. Since concerts don’t charge as high ticket prices as high-end sports, WrestleMania should beat non-sports gate marks just about everywhere they play.
But the number is figured differently from boxing or MMA, in the sense that WWE Mania figures included the service charges tacked onto the ticket price. For example, last year they announced an $8.9 million figure, but later it came out the real figure the way all other sports would tabulate the number was $8.2 million. When WWE does its normal house show gates, they don’t include the service charge on the tickets. As it was explained to me, the service charge money is something the consumer pays for the tickets, so they are using that for Mania.
Using the price of the tickets and not including service charges, the way everyone else in sports and concerts do it, the gate was $11 million when the stadium was sold out weeks away. That number would likely be a little higher based on any late sales after production moved in and some seats were added, but it wouldn’t change much. If you figure the same 8% increase when you include the service charges that last year’s show had, the comparable gate as everyone else would consider it, would come out at $11.3 million. It could be slightly higher or slightly lower, but probably not by much.
It’s at a different level than any pro wrestling event in history, beating last year’s record by somewhere in the neighborhood of 37 percent.
It’s just shy of the $12,075,000 U.S. for the UFC 129 show on April 30, 2011, in Toronto’s Rogers Center (although with the change in Canadian dollars to U.S. dollars, if that figure in Canadian money was figured today, the numbers would be very close). When it comes to combat sports, with the exception of UFC 129, the only other events that come in that range are the biggest of the boxing matches. But even so, there are only about ten boxing gates that beat this one ever in Las Vegas, where most of the biggest gates take place because of the ability to charge high ticket prices. There have been a few others outside Las Vegas, but not many. For MMA, it blew away any number except the Rogers Centre show.
UPDATED ALL-TIME WRESTLING/MMA TOP 25 IN NORTH AMERICA (based on verified figures)
1. $12,075,000 - 4/30/11 UFC 129 Toronto (GSP vs. Jake Shields)
2. $11,300,000 est, - 4/7/13 Mania 29 East Rutherford, NJ (The Rock vs. John Cena)
3. $8,223,000 est. - 4/1/12 Mania 28 Miami (The Rock vs. John Cena)
4. $7,211,673 - 4/5/09 Mania 25 Houston (Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels)
5. $6,976,305 - 7/7/12 UFC148 Las Vegas (Anderson Silva vs. Sonnen)*
6. $6,268,391 - 4/3/11 Mania 27 Atlanta (Rock’s return/Cena vs. Miz)
7. $5,854,590 - 3/30/08 Mania 24 Orlando (Mayweather vs. Show)
8. $5,529,172 - 3/28/10 Mania 26 Phoenix (Undertaker vs. Michaels)
9. $5,441,290 - 7/11/09 UFC 100 Las Vegas (Lesnar vs. Mir)*
10. $5,397,300 - 12/30/06 UFC 66 Las Vegas (Liddell vs. Ortiz)
11. $5,380,000 - 4/7/07 Mania 23 Detroit (Trump’s hair vs. Vince’s hair)
12. $5,086,352 - 4/19/08 UFC 83 Montreal (GSP vs. Matt Serra)
13. $5,060,352 - 12/19/07 UFC 79 Las Vegas (Liddell vs Wanderlei Silva)
14. $4,887,300 - 4/18/09UFC 97 Montreal (Liddell vs. Shogun Rua)
15. $4,815,625 - 11/18/08 UFC 91 Las Vegas (Lesnar vs. Couture)
16. $4,621,389 - 12/11/10 UFC 124 Montreal (GSP vs. Josh Koscheck)
17. $4,304,740 - 5/26/97 UFC 71 Las Vegas (Liddell vs. Quinton Jackson)
18. $4,290,020 - 1/31/09 UFC 94 Las Vegas (GSP vs. B.J. Penn)
19. $4,095,235 - 6/12/10 UFC 115 Vancouver (Liddell vs. Rich Franklin)
20. $4,053,990 - 7/3/10 UFC 116 Las Vegas (Lesnar vs. Shane Carwin)
21. $4,010,000 - 7/21/12 UFC 149 Calgary (Barao vs. Faber)**
22. $3,951,125 - 6/29/10 UFC 114 Las Vegas (Evans vs. Quinton Jackson)
23. $3,926,800 - 10/29/12 UFC 137 Las Vegas (Penn vs. Nick Diaz)***
24. $3,864,033 - 3/27/02 Mania 18 Toronto (Rock vs. John Cena)
25. $3,791,000 - 12/10/11 UFC 140 Toronto (Jon Jones vs. Machida
*Includes on or near site closed-circuit numbers
**All tickets were sold out on the first day they were put on sale. Jose Aldo vs. Erik Koch was the advertised main event at that time.
***All tickets were sold out well ahead of time for a GSP vs. Carlos Condit match, but GSP pulled out after tearing his ACL.
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WWE Shows That Have Topped 1 Million Worldwide Buys - Where Will WrestleMania 29 Fall?
Credit: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter
WWE SHOWS THAT HAVE TOPPED 1 MILLION BUYS
1. 1.250M - 4/1/07 - WrestleMania 23 (Lashley w/Trump vs. Umaga w/Vince)
2. 1.219M - 4/1/12 - WrestleMania 28 (Rock vs. Cena)
3. 1.124M - 4/3/11 - WrestleMania 27 (Cena vs. Miz/Rock ref)
4. 1.090M - 4/3/05 - WrestleMania 21 (HHH vs. Batista)
5. 1.041M - 8/30/08 - WrestleMania 24 (Mayweather vs. Show)
6. 1.040M - 4/1/01 - WrestleMania 17 (Rock vs. Austin)
7. 1.020M - 3/14/04 - WrestleMania 20 (HHH vs. Benoit vs. Michaels)
Credit: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter
WWE SHOWS THAT HAVE TOPPED 1 MILLION BUYS
1. 1.250M - 4/1/07 - WrestleMania 23 (Lashley w/Trump vs. Umaga w/Vince)
2. 1.219M - 4/1/12 - WrestleMania 28 (Rock vs. Cena)
3. 1.124M - 4/3/11 - WrestleMania 27 (Cena vs. Miz/Rock ref)
4. 1.090M - 4/3/05 - WrestleMania 21 (HHH vs. Batista)
5. 1.041M - 8/30/08 - WrestleMania 24 (Mayweather vs. Show)
6. 1.040M - 4/1/01 - WrestleMania 17 (Rock vs. Austin)
7. 1.020M - 3/14/04 - WrestleMania 20 (HHH vs. Benoit vs. Michaels)
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You might be right but alot of guys do praise Joe Henning. From Brock, Rock, Bret, etc.
Him ending the streak is laughable.
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