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Originally Posted by 650sGABE
Originally Posted by 650sGABE
Originally Posted by GotHolesInMySocks
- Vince McMahon was reportedly disappointed with the outcome of Tough Enough and how the show failed, in his eyes, to produce new marketable talent with potential to be a top star.
Originally Posted by GotHolesInMySocks
- Vince McMahon was reportedly disappointed with the outcome of Tough Enough and how the show failed, in his eyes, to produce new marketable talent with potential to be a top star.
The Attitude Era is romanticize. Yes, there was a lot of good stuff, but there was also a lot of crap.Originally Posted by GL Rayner
I have to disagree with that somewhat. The Attitude era was great and all, but I enjoy a wrestling matches more than a "funny" angle. To be honest, while WWF/E was doing the Rock/Sock angles, I was checking out the wrestling matches on WCW(Jericho,Benoit,etc).Originally Posted by likethematrix
if the wwe can get away from the reality tv type drama and go back to sex and comedy... they would win again.
when the rock, stone cold and mankind were all on the roster... every single show was hilarious.
remember when mr. socko visited vince in the hospital?
thats when vince was the man.
can we get back to that?
funny wrestlers?
most of these guys go out wrestling tryiing to be a regular person.
dont no one give a %%%% about cm punks real life.
The Attitude Era is romanticize. Yes, there was a lot of good stuff, but there was also a lot of crap.Originally Posted by GL Rayner
I have to disagree with that somewhat. The Attitude era was great and all, but I enjoy a wrestling matches more than a "funny" angle. To be honest, while WWF/E was doing the Rock/Sock angles, I was checking out the wrestling matches on WCW(Jericho,Benoit,etc).Originally Posted by likethematrix
if the wwe can get away from the reality tv type drama and go back to sex and comedy... they would win again.
when the rock, stone cold and mankind were all on the roster... every single show was hilarious.
remember when mr. socko visited vince in the hospital?
thats when vince was the man.
can we get back to that?
funny wrestlers?
most of these guys go out wrestling tryiing to be a regular person.
dont no one give a %%%% about cm punks real life.
Originally Posted by OwensStr8Clownin
What up Yall. Been a long time since I've checked in. 4wrestling good to see your still doing a amazing job with the wrestling threads.
I've gotten prolly the world's best job and now I got some more time to keep up with everything I usto. WWE is really picking it up. The storylines right now are honeslty some of the best stuff since the attitude ERA.
One comment on this weeks RAW... When they showed a flashback of the summerslam Bret Hart/ Davey Boy Smith for the IC title... Goes to show us how that title has lost it's meaning. WWE really needs to start using the title for the right reasons for the Mid Card talent who is ready to explode into main event status soon.
Originally Posted by OwensStr8Clownin
What up Yall. Been a long time since I've checked in. 4wrestling good to see your still doing a amazing job with the wrestling threads.
I've gotten prolly the world's best job and now I got some more time to keep up with everything I usto. WWE is really picking it up. The storylines right now are honeslty some of the best stuff since the attitude ERA.
One comment on this weeks RAW... When they showed a flashback of the summerslam Bret Hart/ Davey Boy Smith for the IC title... Goes to show us how that title has lost it's meaning. WWE really needs to start using the title for the right reasons for the Mid Card talent who is ready to explode into main event status soon.
Taker/HBK got 4 3/4.Originally Posted by AirVandal180
I can understand the five stars. As great a match as HBK/Taker I was, it was an isolated program with no championship on the line and had no long-term effects on the company. The Punk/Cena match was for the biggest title in the business and the fact that, at least in storyline, the lineal WWE championship was cut off as a result, justifies the five stars IMO.Originally Posted by 6 rings MJ
Originally Posted by Nike Jordan
Dave Meltzer gave the Cena/Punk match 5 stars in this week's Wrestling Observer Newsletter.
Meltzer hasn't given a WWF/E match 5 stars since 1997.
It's only the fifth WWF/E match to receive that rating.
What?Undertaker vs HBK @ Wrestlemania 25.. didn't get a five star rating. .
Taker/HBK got 4 3/4.Originally Posted by AirVandal180
I can understand the five stars. As great a match as HBK/Taker I was, it was an isolated program with no championship on the line and had no long-term effects on the company. The Punk/Cena match was for the biggest title in the business and the fact that, at least in storyline, the lineal WWE championship was cut off as a result, justifies the five stars IMO.Originally Posted by 6 rings MJ
Originally Posted by Nike Jordan
Dave Meltzer gave the Cena/Punk match 5 stars in this week's Wrestling Observer Newsletter.
Meltzer hasn't given a WWF/E match 5 stars since 1997.
It's only the fifth WWF/E match to receive that rating.
What?Undertaker vs HBK @ Wrestlemania 25.. didn't get a five star rating. .
It's really hard to say about Cena turning heel. It all comes down to how they do it. I'm really racking my brain to think of what they could do to even turn him heel at this point. Attacking anyone on the current roster isn't going to turn him heel. Little kids still cheered him over The Rock when the two were together. The only way I think they could do it is getting Vince over as a complete ***hole heel, and then having Cena align with him as the Corporate Champ. But with Vince "gone" for now, that idea is out the window.Originally Posted by swyftdahoe
Originally Posted by doyung9
Someone who follows closely, I'd like an opinion.
Do you think WWE merchandise sales would suffer if they tried to REALLY turn Cena heel? I mean, it sounds like half the crowd, definitely the older side of it, hates him anyway? Even when he's trying not to sound cliche, he does. I'd really consider tuning in more often if he ditched the head to toe matching gear and didn't seem like such a billboard. Even when DX/Stone Cold/Rocky were all "selling" they didn't seem so blatant. Dude has on a hat/sweatband/armband/armband/t-shirt combo.
I haven't followed wrestling closely in a good 10 years but I've been a fan for a good 25 years now.. so I'm trying to digest all of this from a historical perspective.
I think Cena's major heel run can only happen once. It's gotta be a heel turn of Hollywood (Hogan) proportions. And the thing is, the adult-skewing fans that currently boo him will probably welcome this change. Dude's being the good corporate merchandise-selling employee right now but I think we'll definitely see his full potential as a performer when he's allowed to go heel. I can't speak for others but as a child, I lovvvved Hogan as much as kids probably love Cena right now. And his heel turn was devastating. So will Cena's (to the children who buy his gear, etc...) and I think the WWE knows that too. I fully believe they'll be driving the direction of the company around his heel turn (ie, the main over-arching storyline for an entire season or two).
Not entirely sure how long Punk's gonna be gone but I think there's at least a larger themed establishment (old guard) vs anti-establishment (new guard) battle ahead. HHH vs Punk. Rock vs Cena. Cena's heel turn can be organic. He's doesn't need to turn "evil." He can just decide to ditch the corporate shilling / movie making / brand pushing and decide he wants to just wrestle.
Edit: Damn it. I've typed that all out and Cena would still be a face. Well, I'm stumped. How to turn him heel without it feeling forced...
It's really hard to say about Cena turning heel. It all comes down to how they do it. I'm really racking my brain to think of what they could do to even turn him heel at this point. Attacking anyone on the current roster isn't going to turn him heel. Little kids still cheered him over The Rock when the two were together. The only way I think they could do it is getting Vince over as a complete ***hole heel, and then having Cena align with him as the Corporate Champ. But with Vince "gone" for now, that idea is out the window.Originally Posted by swyftdahoe
Originally Posted by doyung9
Someone who follows closely, I'd like an opinion.
Do you think WWE merchandise sales would suffer if they tried to REALLY turn Cena heel? I mean, it sounds like half the crowd, definitely the older side of it, hates him anyway? Even when he's trying not to sound cliche, he does. I'd really consider tuning in more often if he ditched the head to toe matching gear and didn't seem like such a billboard. Even when DX/Stone Cold/Rocky were all "selling" they didn't seem so blatant. Dude has on a hat/sweatband/armband/armband/t-shirt combo.
I haven't followed wrestling closely in a good 10 years but I've been a fan for a good 25 years now.. so I'm trying to digest all of this from a historical perspective.
I think Cena's major heel run can only happen once. It's gotta be a heel turn of Hollywood (Hogan) proportions. And the thing is, the adult-skewing fans that currently boo him will probably welcome this change. Dude's being the good corporate merchandise-selling employee right now but I think we'll definitely see his full potential as a performer when he's allowed to go heel. I can't speak for others but as a child, I lovvvved Hogan as much as kids probably love Cena right now. And his heel turn was devastating. So will Cena's (to the children who buy his gear, etc...) and I think the WWE knows that too. I fully believe they'll be driving the direction of the company around his heel turn (ie, the main over-arching storyline for an entire season or two).
Not entirely sure how long Punk's gonna be gone but I think there's at least a larger themed establishment (old guard) vs anti-establishment (new guard) battle ahead. HHH vs Punk. Rock vs Cena. Cena's heel turn can be organic. He's doesn't need to turn "evil." He can just decide to ditch the corporate shilling / movie making / brand pushing and decide he wants to just wrestle.
Edit: Damn it. I've typed that all out and Cena would still be a face. Well, I'm stumped. How to turn him heel without it feeling forced...
Well, it happened.Originally Posted by hombrelobo
Also, Punk's at Comic Con. WWE's at Comic Con.
Should we expect any kind of confrontation? I'm thinking no. But that would be rad.
Well, it happened.Originally Posted by hombrelobo
Also, Punk's at Comic Con. WWE's at Comic Con.
Should we expect any kind of confrontation? I'm thinking no. But that would be rad.
Originally Posted by venom lyrix
Simmons' article was pretty good