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[DCAllAfrican]

Y'all forgetting the Shield carried this company for a good two years. Outside of DBry the shield was at the top.

We need to ban OP from using the word "carried" in the context of Wrestling. The Shield CARRIED WWE. AJ Styles carried Nakamura @ WK 2016.

 

[King of Trash Style]

I liked the Shield but WWE acting like they have an argument for GOAT faction is laughable.

 

[Peep Game]

Y'all are letting your dissatisfaction with Shield getting back together fog your memories. Dudes were also like 26-27 years old when they debuted.

They disbanded 3 years ago, no ones memories should be foggy They are not a top 5 WWE stable, much less wrestling stable in general

 

[cosmiccoffee9]

ironically, that post represents you "carrying" him if my DMV knowledge still holds.

I liked the Shield but WWE acting like they have an argument for GOAT faction is laughable.

of course not. it's Flair nem and always will be. they just deserve their proper respect for their original run, and Top 10 is not farfetch'd.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

ironically, that post represents you "carrying" him if my DMV knowledge still holds.



of course not. it's Flair nem and always will be. they just deserve their proper respect for their original run, and Top 10 is not farfetch'd.

Yea we still use it in that context. Always have, always will

 

[B Sox]

They disbanded 3 years ago, no ones memories should be foggy They are not a top 5 WWE stable, much less wrestling stable in general

So here's a hypothetical...Where would they rank if booking keeps them together now for several years? Now that everyone is theoretically in their primes?

 

[B Sox]

Yo this Ospray/Koosheda match

 

[macbk]

I wasn't really watching like that when The Shield first came about, but I know they aren't anywhere near my top 5-10 stables.

 

[Meangene45]

We need to ban OP from using the word "carried" in the context of Wrestling. The Shield CARRIED WWE. AJ Styles carried Nakamura @ WK 2016.

I just need to ban you.

 

[D Fly]

Rick O'Shea is WWE bound :

I'll be happy about this till the end of his NXT run.

Shield was barely around for 2 years BUT they were great for that time they were together. I could care less ab them now it won't be the same that is for sure

This couldn't care less about em now. But I find it amusing that folks are suddenly acting like they were never good

205 shouldn't be a show..The cruiserweights should be treated like everyone else and have their matches/segments blended into the show they're on at the time..

Yes. I'd send most to NXT though like Swann, Cedric, Gallagher, Gulak, Nese, Ali, Dorado, Metalik, Dar, Tozawa

Where they would be appreciated more

Thanks for being logical and remembering @T0INE. The Shield washed damn near every major superstar in their ascent up the ladder of dominance. They way people are talking they were just three dudes in riot gear that came in through the crowd and haven’t been in damn near every main event between the three of them since splitting up as a group when healthy or passing piss tests...

NTWT in rare form

 

[DCAllAfrican]

I just need to ban you.

Do it

 

[noblekane]

i want to thank you guys. i bash alot of things in this thread you know wrestlers and what not but its all in fun. im glad yall arent as sensitive as those two buffoons in the star wars thread who got me banned from the thread for calling one of the actresses in the last jedi a walrus

 

[Case]

yeah I think you have to take into account that these were rookies who took the fed by storm, not established legends and champions or high profile free agents.

Shield members experience at time of Shield debut:
Jeans- 8 years..Previously worked in FCW, HWA, Evolve, ROH..
Sext- 7years..Previously worked (and won titles in) PWG, ROH (World Champion), and 1st NXT champion..
Roidman- 2 year..

Other than Leaky, these guys are veterans who've traveled the country and wrestled the best people in the US..So let's not act like these dudes just finished their first year at the Performance Center and were thrust into the spotlight with no clue what to do..

 

[B Sox]

Shield members experience at time of Shield debut:
Jeans- 8 years..Previously worked in FCW, HWA, Evolve, ROH..
Sext- 7years..Previously worked (and won titles in) PWG, ROH (World Champion), and 1st NXT champion..
Roidman- 2 year..

Other than Leaky, these guys are veterans who've traveled the country and wrestled the best people in the US..So let's not act like these dudes just finished their first year at the Performance Center and were thrust into the spotlight with no clue what to do..

Dudes were still mid to late 20s and new to the main roster...

 

[cosmiccoffee9]

Shield members experience at time of Shield debut:
Jeans- 8 years..Previously worked in FCW, HWA, Evolve, ROH..
Sext- 7years..Previously worked (and won titles in) PWG, ROH (World Champion), and 1st NXT champion..
Roidman- 2 year..

Other than Leaky, these guys are veterans who've traveled the country and wrestled the best people in the US..So let's not act like these dudes just finished their first year at the Performance Center and were thrust into the spotlight with no clue what to do..

I dig it, just saying when you're talking about the Horsemen/Dangerous Alliance/NWO/DX/Evolution, the experience to accomplishments ratio is there.


on another note tho...

KINSHASAAAAAAAAA!!!

Spoiler

 

[noblekane]

damn that make it even more sickening how fast roman climbed the ranks

 

[Case]

Seeing as I was posting during their run I recall most of us agreeing during their push it was appropriate for where they were. They were in the process of establishing themselves as a unit, beating up Taker, Cena, Orton, Ryback, etc... If they had won all the main belts the complaint would have been too much too soon, you can’t have it both ways. They all had titles respective to where they were at that time on the card, booking determines when titles are defended so you can’t blame the talent... Sometimes we overvalue a title reign and sometimes we underrate them. I’m not gonna feel like Jinder is an all time great cause he won the belt and Scott Hall never did. We have personal preferences...They started as mercenaries, basically super goons for hire. They evolved into “The Hounds of Justice”(...hence the “Big Dog” moniker for Reigns... ) Completely washed the Larry Holmes version of Evolution and then disbanded when no one really expected it. They used the group to basically let people know these three will be long term main event tier talents with multiple title Reigns as their careers progress. I guess being in all of the main events, selling a bunch of merch, and headlining PPVs is no longer seen as being a success as a wrestler...

I'm not saying they weren't successful when it comes to selling merch and headlining PPVs..But we're talking about how the compare to other factions..And by the decades old standard of what makes a faction legendary (0r whatever word you want to use) the Shield definitely comes up short..

And how can you say it's "too much too soon" when these guys are in programs involving Taker, Cena, Orton, Trips etc.?..Like I said, Seth was a former ROH World Champion who headlined ROH ppv's before he signed with WWE (and I know ROH ppv's aren't on the level of WWE's, but the pressure/responsibility is the same)..And Moxley was wrestling against guys who are now huge stars in the business..

 

[D Fly]

I dig it, just saying when you're talking about the Horsemen/Dangerous Alliance/NWO/DX/Evolution, the experience to accomplishments ratio is there.


on another note tho...

KINSHASAAAAAAAAA!!!

Spoiler

Damn, B Sox didn't even try to aim for that medicine ball

 

[drewdioxin2345]

I dig it, just saying when you're talking about the Horsemen/Dangerous Alliance/NWO/DX/Evolution, the experience to accomplishments ratio is there.


on another note tho...

KINSHASAAAAAAAAA!!!

Spoiler

kid sold it like a champ.

 

[Peep Game]

So here's a hypothetical...Where would they rank if booking keeps them together now for several years? Now that everyone is theoretically in their primes?

Not really sure unless they do something drastic, which is kinda hard in this current era, as everything has already been done. Based on these lists people put together, they're somewhere between the 18th-23rd best stable. They would probably have to go win the NXT tag and heavyweight titles, then go pull up on NJPW and challenge Guerillas of Destiny or something

 

[drewdioxin2345]

Not really sure unless they do something drastic, which is kinda hard in this current era, as everything has already been done. Based on these lists people put together, they're somewhere between the 18th-23rd best stable. They would probably have to go win the NXT tag and heavyweight titles, then go pull up on NJPW and challenge Guerillas of Destiny or something

Shield would have to wash BC, LIJ, AND Suzuki Gun before even being remotely in contention for anything.

 

[D Fly]

Shield would have to wash BC, LIJ, AND Suzuki Gun before even being remotely in contention for anything.

drewdioxin2345

 

[drewdioxin2345]

drewdioxin2345

What up Fly guy?

 

[Case]

Dudes were still mid to late 20s and new to the main roster...

Arn Anderson was only in the business for 3 years when he joined the Horsemen..Barry Windham was only in the biz for 8 when he joined..So what's your point..Those dudes were young and stepped right up and made history..

 

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Minoru Tanaka was at the performance center this weekend doing a seminar thing...taught some classes and had a couple of shoot style matches