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In the top tier of best athletes to ever play in the NBA. A sheet physical force at times. But his flaws as a basketball player ultimately outweighed the positives. That’s how I’ll remember him.
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In the top tier of best athletes to ever play in the NBA. A sheet physical force at times. But his flaws as a basketball player ultimately outweighed the positives. That’s how I’ll remember him.
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“Built for the playoffs”The faith ****** put into that "OK3" team was hilarious
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Just for reference Russ has 166 triple doubles now:
These are the records in those games (regular season):
OKC- 110-28 (.797 winning percentage)
HOU- 5-3 (.625 winning percentage)
WAS- 9-11 (.450 winning percentage)
Total- 124-42 (.747 winning percentage)
So literally 3/4ths of the games he's put up "monster numbers" the team wins, that's just an irrefutable fact. It's been a formula that wins games in the regular season (sans this trash Wizards team) and not so much in the playoffs.
These are the records in those games (regular season):
OKC- 110-28 (.797 winning percentage)
HOU- 5-3 (.625 winning percentage)
WAS- 9-11 (.450 winning percentage)
Total- 124-42 (.747 winning percentage)
So literally 3/4ths of the games he's put up "monster numbers" the team wins, that's just an irrefutable fact. It's been a formula that wins games in the regular season (sans this trash Wizards team) and not so much in the playoffs.
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Russ is
I showed you how the Wizards with ONLY Beal had better seasons before Russ came to town. And yeah, sure, the Wizards sucked before him but they are worse with him in both overall record as well as offensive metrics.
If that isn't evident of him not making teams better - in 2019-2020, after leaving OKC the Thunder posted a better winning percentage with CP3 (0.611 to 0.59
and Houston with Westbrook was worse (0.646 to 0.611).
He's been quite literally making teams worse but you want to act oblivious to it
The article doesn't even say that his numbers aren't translating to wins. It explicitly shows how the Wizards are worse with him on the court....with or without Beal.
I showed you how the Wizards with ONLY Beal had better seasons before Russ came to town. And yeah, sure, the Wizards sucked before him but they are worse with him in both overall record as well as offensive metrics.
If that isn't evident of him not making teams better - in 2019-2020, after leaving OKC the Thunder posted a better winning percentage with CP3 (0.611 to 0.59
and Houston with Westbrook was worse (0.646 to 0.611). He's been quite literally making teams worse but you want to act oblivious to it
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That's a helluva coincidence with that much data.
antidope
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Winning titles is everything..... Except when this guy is concerned.
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Russ is
The article doesn't even say that his numbers aren't translating to wins. It explicitly shows how the Wizards are worse with him on the court....with or without Beal.
I showed you how the Wizards with ONLY Beal had better seasons before Russ came to town. And yeah, sure, the Wizards sucked before him but they are worse with him in both overall record as well as offensive metrics.
If that isn't evident of him not making teams better - in 2019-2020, after leaving OKC the Thunder posted a better winning percentage with CP3 (0.611 to 0.59
He's been quite literally making teams worse but you want to act oblivious to it
They didn't even finish a full season last year as far as OKC and Houston goes so who knows what the actual record would have ended up as IF they had played the full 82. And even IF you want to be disingenuous and extrapolate you're talking about he makes teams a game or 2 worse. Stop the presses!
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Winning doesn't matter at all really to you so you SHOULD be a Russ fan. Just puts on a show that you either love or hate.
A lot of the NT experts tell me that winning titles isn't going to matter for certain guys (Melo, Dame, etc) cause they ain't pantheon greats, BUT for Russ who they all want to claim is overrated, has more flaws and negatives than positives it somehow is a detriment to him if he doesn't? Like something ain't adding up here.
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It's absurd to me that he always points to the Lakers banners and mocks the Clippers yet he goes to these lengths to defend a titleless, losing basketball playing Russ.
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I'll defend when there's clear nonsense being spouted that can easily be refuted. Or when there's a double standard clearly in play. I actually enjoy doing that.
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So a game or two doesn't matter?
Your premise was flawed when you tried to use a 71 game sample size vs a 82 game one from the previous year. I said IF I were to entertain it let's see from last year OKC would have been at 50 wins and a 5 seed (w/CP0) vs a 49 win and 6 seed (w/Russ) and guess what still a 1st rd exit either way. Rockets 45 wins and a 2nd rd exit vs the Lakers like they were anyway. So what is the point you're trying to make? They played 11 less games last season so in such a miniscule amount it could have just as easily swung the other way. Kinda like how the Wizards record right now is just ever so slightly a higher winning percentage than they had last season.
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Looking at the standings today, I’m going to say that as long as Zion stays healthy, the Pels are going to secure a play-in spot. They’ll pass either the Spurs or Dubs. Think all the teams behind them are done.
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His record in non-triple double games is 427-328 (.565 winning percentage). Don't know if statmuse breaks it down that close.
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Russ was drafted in 2008 and just now in the past year, it’s like “he doesn’t want to win titles”... he’s past his young-athletic prime and still gets numbers, but if you wanted to litigate this “he doesn’t want to win” nonsense you should’ve been saying this in 2015-2016 era, not when he’s past his actual prime. Now he’s just at the mercy of his situation.
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I've been sort of hoping Pels would tank lately
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One is a middle of the pack winning percentage and one is elite team winning percentage there's quite a distinction.
But the losing basketball player moniker is nonsense either way.
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Russ is a bad player with good stats. He's a bad player because he has a poor basketball IQ. He has good stats because he's a great athlete.
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^^* How does that play-in tourney impact draft lottery positioning?
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The losers get placed as if they were the 9 or 10 seed in their conference.
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Thought they were when Zion and BI were both sitting.
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