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⭐ OFFICIAL 2020-2021 NBA Off-Season Thread: Olympics begin 7/23; NBA Draft 7/29⭐
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I loved KG ‘s game 
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In the comments. I chuckled. 
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I think there is a difference between INFLUENTIAL, which is what the IG shows, and TRANSFORMATIONAL, which is the list you proposed. I mean that in the sense that influential quite literally means having an #Influence on players while transformational is moreso #Influence on the game and how it's played.
So it's not to say that the guys you mentioned didn't influence players while they were coming up but I just personally believe the players from the IG had a bigger influence on up and coming players.
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I'd definitely replace KG w/ Dirk. Before Dirk (or maybe AK47, or Peja) there was really no stretch big man.
I'd leave Kobe off simply because he didn't change the game, just sustained it once MJ left. That's not a slight, just facts
Also agree w/ adding Magic/Bird to the mix because they made basketball a household sport.
Magic/Bird made professional basketball fun to watch, Jordan made it global, Dirk/Peja/AK47 revolutionized the stretch big man, and Steph changed the way the game is played now behind the arc
I'd leave Kobe off simply because he didn't change the game, just sustained it once MJ left. That's not a slight, just facts
Also agree w/ adding Magic/Bird to the mix because they made basketball a household sport.
Magic/Bird made professional basketball fun to watch, Jordan made it global, Dirk/Peja/AK47 revolutionized the stretch big man, and Steph changed the way the game is played now behind the arc
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Dumb unnecessarily aggressive reply. I’m 32, I watched KG’s entire career. He isn’t as influential as other options period and doesn’t belong on that list.
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I wish C Webb got the love KG did. Sure he wasn’t the defender but it’s amazing what a title does for you
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I got you. That makes sense. I didn't look at it that way.
So in terms of INFLUENCE
Iverson
Jordan
Magic
LeBron
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Iverson has lived off 2001 for a long time
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"Period" -
He definitely belongs in that category.
He was the Revolutionary big of the Late 90s that could do everything.
Athletic
Defend
Handle
Pass
Face-Up
We can agree to disagree but he opened the doors for a generation of the "DO everything bigs" archetype.
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Just get it off your chest. This is the second Iverson comment you have made in the last week.
What is your issue with him?
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This is a hot take and it might be because I grew up with him but I would replace Magic with Kobe (and no, I'm not giving him a post-mortem bump). I do agree about him being a Carbon Copy Jordan
lol: at that analogy by the way) but it's felt like damn near every player of the past decade has looked up to dude...in part because he is a Carbon Copy Jordan, if that makes sense.Good discussion to start the morning, got my brain working
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Oh and KG will tell you C Webb influenced him
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Dude was 6 years old when kg came in the league
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Man that dude is extremely condescending lol"Period" -
He definitely belongs in that category.
He was the Revolutionary big of the Late 90s that could do everything.
Athletic
Defend
Handle
Pass
Face-Up
We can agree to disagree but he opened the doors for a generation of the "DO everything bigs" archetype.
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Webber was definitely a special talent man. You are right, "winning" does a lot of a person's reputation.
Webber definitely did a lot to further the game and we would be talking about him with the greats had his TEAMS won.
But we know what happened there.
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See I know KG was a wonderkid at his size, but to the topic before I see him as more evolutionary than transformational. At least compared to a Dirk, or Steph that immediately created new archetypes that successful players followed. KG did lead to an immediate burst of drafting long “skilled” high school kids but most of them busted.
I personally always disliked KG’s offensive game with how much he relied on those short range jumpers but that’s just my taste.
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Georgetown biased
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Maybe he meant his whole Boston career
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Reaching
Sure his peak didn’t last that long but play style influenced a lot of people.
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Break down C Webbs influence for me because I feel like most of these modern bigs (AD, Bam, KAT, Embiid, Wood, etc...) are obviously heavily influenced by KG
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OK? And you’d disagree I’ve watched the majority of KG’s growth and prime? How old do you think most people on this forum are?
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So you are punishing KG for , "KG did lead to an immediate burst of drafting long “skilled” high school kids but most of them busted."
But are you ALSO going to do the same for Dirk? How many Faceup Euros didn't pan out after Dirk rose to Stardom? Many.
Be consistent.
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