09 Real Deal College Football Discussion/No Homers - Lets geh geh GET IT!

[bigmike23]

Originally Posted by Statis22

And what is crazy is Missouri leaving would be just as damaging leaving the conference as Texas would, just not as big of a impact on the national scene.

I just think either/or, the Big 12 won't be around going into 2020.

thats only cause missouri is key in getting the TV contract

but the big 12 has been working with the pac-10 on a joint TV network so missouri may not be needed

each big 10 team makes about 25 million a year, how much does each big 12 team make?

the money could be great but at the end of the day you really see the good ol boys in texas ditching all that history they have in the big 12 for the big 10? i sure as hell dont

If this super conference does end up in the mid west and it becomes the Big 14, Notre Dame is going to be kicking themselves...
why would they? they dont need to join the big 10 because they make so much $$$ the money difference between the big10 and what they make as a indepent ant that much.



  

 

[gunna get it]

what history in the big 12
that conference is still a baby.

 

[statis22]

Money is split up in the Big 12 depending on who on TV more and gets more notoriety.

Texas is the breadwinner of the conference and made around $12 million. Indiana made double that. Yeah, that Indiana.

 

[N41D]

Big XII got nothin aside from Texas and OU recently plus NU and CU in the 90s... Other than that, nothing... Everything else is leftover from the SWC... Texas and Texas A&M ain't wanna be there in the first place, and Colorado has wanted to leave forever too...

And they damn near gotta have Missouri if they want any kind of Network put together, but if Texas leaves that falls through anyways...

BigXII was built unstable as hell because the split between the North and the South is wider than any other conference in the country... The schools in the North have NOTHING in common with the Texas/Oklahoma schools... It's dumb.

 

[tmay407]

Originally Posted by Statis22

A&M to the SEC. Hmmm

Please no. I like having at least a slim chance to win a conference game every now and then...

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The same sources are also indicating that Dat Nguyen will be the other defensive coach that is hired, but we have not been able to confirm that.

 

[statis22]

Tom Osbourne has had beef with with the conference since it formed.

 

[N41D]

A&M as the only major Texas program in the SEC would be huge for recruiting... And with the extra $$$$$ they'd actually be able to afford higher a real head coach...

 

[gunna get it]

Originally Posted by Statis22

Tom Osbourne has had beef with with the conference since it formed.

and Im sure the Big XII Clock review in the Title game  didnt help raise his opinion of the Conference

 

[black jesus]

 

[gobucksbc]

JoePa got his vision corrected...no more thick lenses. It doesn't even look like him.

 

[gunna get it]

Originally Posted by gobucksBC

JoePa got his vision corrected...no more thick lenses. It doesn't even look like him.

 

[N41D]

Texas has nailed down

Jaxon Shipley
Taylor Doyle
Miles Onyegbule
David Ash
Chet Moss

 

[tmay407]

Pretty surprised that Texas took Chet Moss and Taylor Doyle this early...I guess if you're invited to the first Junior Day, Texas is pretty serious about you though.

Add Joe Bergeron to the list as well.

So far so good from A&M's standpoint. Nobody that has committed yet was really high on A&M's list. Hopefully some of those defensive players make it out of there without committing...

 

[gunna get it]

11 commits awwlready LOL

A&M is some crap, these kids dont even consider them.

Texas has the deepest talent pool to pull from and absolutely Zero competition from an instate school

 

[tmay407]

Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

11 commits awwlready LOL

A&M is some crap, these kids dont even consider them.

Texas has the deepest talent pool to pull from and absolutely Zero competition from an instate school

Where are you seeing 11? I've only seen 7 so far, with Josh Cochran being the latest. It very well could be up to 11 by the end of the day.

And I'm not even gonna argue with you about the A&M stuff. If we can pull in top 15 classes without kids even considering us, then that's fine with me. If we ever start winning, then those top 15 classes will only get better.

Texas has been one of the top 5 programs of the last decade...obviously they're gonna pull in whatever they want and leave the scraps for the rest of the schools. It's like Mack Brown said (paraphrased), "I don't even have to recruit these kids. All they've seen growing up is a successful Texas program, and they want to be a part of that."

 

[eneyekayee]

Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

Originally Posted by gobucksBC

JoePa got his vision corrected...no more thick lenses. It doesn't even look like him.

He looks like he just got done climbing Mount Everest...

 

[N41D]

A&M is one good hire away from being fine... They just keep shooting themselves in the foot.

They pull Top 20 classes year in and out. Recruiting isn't the issue. They concede kids to Texas off the top, but Oklahoma State and Texas Tech do the same. Even OU in Texas. Cal and Oregon and UCLA do the same thing with USC...

A&M just needs to hire a quality staff and they'll be back.

 

[tmay407]

Desmond Jackson (DT) may have just committed to Texas. He'll most likely be the top player in the state.

 

[N41D]

It is ridiculous though, Jay... There's no reason whatsoever for the Aggies to be this bad for this long... Great town, great atmosphere, incredible facilities and resources... It makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[black jesus]

@ joe pa

 

[gunna get it]

recruiting is the issue. how can you be that big of a school in the middle of the most fertile recruiting ground in America and have that type of production on the field and say its not recruiting? of course its some coaching too but these A&M teams are not crazy talented and that goes back to who they're bringin in & lining up on the field

 

[bigmike23]

"They have never won like they think they should win. They've got everything in the middle of one of the greatest states there is to produce high school football players, but they've never won anything."-Barry Switzer on that overrated A&M school

 

 

[statis22]

It goes hand in hand to me. The ball has been dropped all across the board.

When out of state'ers out recruit you in your own state then you know you have issues.

 

[gunna get it]

and the Horns are now up to 10 public commits and in a a cple hours will be 11

 

[tmay407]

I really don't see how a team can bring in top 25 classes consistently, and the main problem is recruiting. Sure, we're in a talent rich state, but we're also surrounded by UT, OU, and LSU...three of the premier programs in the country right now. Certainly you don't expect a !##! program like A&M to be able to out-recruit those three schools right now. It's gonna take developing players and winning footballs before we can even think about recruiting against those guys.

I really don't see how recruiting is the issue. You can get 2-star and 3-star kids and field a very competitive football team if you can develop kids. See Boise State, TCU, Utah, etc. Hell, TCU recruits primarily Texas, and they field one of the top two teams in the state. Is their success based on recruiting or development?

Fran had no clue how to recruit. He brought in some nice classes, but they were usually loaded at several positions while completely ignoring others (and it was the same positions being loaded or ignored every year). Mix that in with the complete lack of development (which I think is the biggest issue), and you get what you have now. A&M hasn't developed a player in far too long. Stephen McGee, Martellus Bennett, Mike Goodson, Von Miller (during Fran's time), Bradley Stephens, Derrick Stephens, Anthony Lewis, Jordan Pugh, Marquis Carpenter, Paul Freeney, Kellen Heard, Jorvorskie Lane, Howard Morrow...those are just the highly rated kids that Fran recruited that I could easily say were not significantly better when they left campus than they were when they got here. Fran did absolutely nothing to help those kids.

Compare that to Sherman and it's a completely different story (or so it seems). He's getting/got great production out of guys like Von Miller, Garrick Williams (2-star), Terrence Fredrick (2-star), Eddie Brown, Tony Jerod-Eddie, Howard Morrow, Jamie McCoy, Trent Hunter. He had Jordan Pugh playing a lot better than he did under Fran. He already has his young guys playing a lot better than any of Fran's young guys ever did.

I think firing RC Slocum the way we did put a curse on our program.