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So dyyhard said that the Blind Date host said that his sources said that Lamar is staying, and some of you arerunning with that?

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Maybe it's just me (I know it's not), but I'm still just as worried about Lamar leaving as I was before hearing what dyyhard said that the Blind Date host said that his sources said.

And you know I don't mean any disrespect to you at all, dyyhard.
 
Franchise is saying it's fake. What the hell already, someone put a damn camera in LO's face and let's do this.
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Oh, I also forgot to say that $10mil a year for Lamar is too much for my comfort. The $9mil we offered him is the highest I'm comfortable with.
 
CP1708:
Franchise is saying it's fake.
So dyyhard said that the Blind Date host said that his sources said that Lamar is staying.

Screw that! I need a credible source, so I don't believe it. I don't believe it's true yet that Lamar is staying.

Then franchise said that the rumor that dyyhard said about the BlindDate guy saying that his sources said that Lamar is staying is FALSE!

Screw franchise! I need a credible source, so I don't believe it. I don't believe it's true yet thatLamar is leaving.

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Probably b/c it's going to come out to be a lot more than an extra 1 mil after this season and when we still have to resign Pau and Kobe to huge dealsafter 2011 season all while the cap is going to be some 10 mil lower than it is now, we may not be able to afford both of them, and then our window is shut allmostly b/c LO wants 10 mil when he should be happy with 8 or 9. That 1 mil is going to quadruple in value over the next couple of seasons.
 
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Awesome. I asked Franchise why he thought it was fake, he saidbecause Heat checked Twitter and they have taken down that post that Dyhard posted.

Add all that up........

Nevermind.

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CP1708:
23ska909red02:
Oh, I also forgot to say that $10mil a year for Lamar is too much for my comfort. The $9mil we offered him is the highest I'm comfortable with.
Why the extra 1 mil bother you?
Just in principle. There are plenty of times where there have been shoes that I've wanted that I was willing to pay x amount for, and I'dseen them for sale at places for just barely over what I as willing to pay... and I've never, EVER bought them. If the absolute HIGHEST I'm willing togo is X and I see the for X + $50, I'm o.k. with passing them up, knowing that if I change my mind tomorrow and try to get them, they might not beavailable because someone else grabbed them.

And that's really based on market value. For me, Lamar is not a $_ _ per year (double digits per year) player. I didn't really like hearing that we hadoffered him $9mil a year, but I thought 'Alright. That's it, though. We can't go higher than that.' So thinking that we did is discomforting tome.

Like people have mentioned, we grossly overpaid for Walton and Sasha (and I would personally add Bynum to that as well), and I want that trend to be somethingthat is reversed, not something that stands as a precedent. Given the options 'We pay players more than we're comfortable with; that's what wedo' or 'We overpaid a few players in recent history, but we're putting a stop to that as we move forward,' I would hope we're going withthe latter.
 
Originally Posted by 23ska909red02

CP1708:
23ska909red02:
Oh, I also forgot to say that $10mil a year for Lamar is too much for my comfort. The $9mil we offered him is the highest I'm comfortable with.
Why the extra 1 mil bother you?
Just in principle. There are plenty of times where there have been shoes that I've wanted that I was willing to pay x amount for, and I'd seen them for sale at places for just barely over what I as willing to pay... and I've never, EVER bought them. If the absolute HIGHEST I'm willing to go is X and I see the for X + $50, I'm o.k. with passing them up, knowing that if I change my mind tomorrow and try to get them, they might not be available because someone else grabbed them.

And that's really based on market value. For me, Lamar is not a $_ _ per year (double digits per year) player. I didn't really like hearing that we had offered him $9mil a year, but I thought 'Alright. That's it, though. We can't go higher than that.' So thinking that we did is discomforting to me.

Like people have mentioned, we grossly overpaid for Walton and Sasha (and I would personally add Bynum to that as well), and I want that trend to be something that is reversed, not something that stands as a precedent. Given the options 'We pay players more than we're comfortable with; that's what we do' or 'We overpaid a few players in recent history, but we're putting a stop to that as we move forward,' I would hope we're going with the latter.
I get what you sayin, but 1 mil?

Look at it this way. We a top 2-3 team with Lamar? Yes.

We a top 2-3 team without Lamar? No.

So if it came down to 1 mil a year, you'd be ok with lettin him walk?

I'm not down with that. If LO asked for an extra 6-7-8 mil, sure, fly a kite, but for one mil, that's nothing. Mamba is correct with the Pau, andKobe extension coming, and the 1 mil could become essentialy 3-4 times that when the cap drops again next year, but we can't worry about that. We have 3-4years to stack chips. After that, this core fades off, and we start anew with maybe Bynum and Farmar (no longer Ariza
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For these 3-4 years, spend every dollar it takes. After that, we can switch up our gameplan.

One other thing, Mamba, while right about the one mil, Fish is off the books after this year, so that money basically comes back, we either give the role toBrown/Farmar, or sign Fish to a smaller contract at his extended age. Either way, that mil can come back to us. If it gets LO, make it happen ya know?
 
The Lakers will be over the cap for the next 3-5 years, that extra money LO is wanting/will be getting isn't too big of an issue to me since we'recompeting for titles.
 
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The Lakers will be over the cap for the next 3-5 years, that extra money LO is wanting/will be getting isn't too big of an issue to me since we're competing for titles.
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You took away the pink bra chick for dudes lathered up in oil?
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Canwe talk about this?
 
Originally Posted by CP1708

Originally Posted by I NaSmatic I

The Lakers will be over the cap for the next 3-5 years, that extra money LO is wanting/will be getting isn't too big of an issue to me since we're competing for titles.
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You took away the pink bra chick for dudes lathered up in oil?
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Can we talk about this?
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I wanted to switch it up a bit. She'll be making her return soon enough
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I'm kinda with ska on the principle of overpaying players that the Lakers have somehow set as a precedence over the last few seasons, first starting withLuke (making 6 mil/year and doesn't play more than 10 minutes a game unless someone is in serious foul trouble or it's garbage time), Sasha (noexplanation, basically stealing 5 mil a year), and Andrew (getting 12 mil/year when he hasn't even stayed healthy for a full season). Ariza TRIED to do thesame thing, but failed in his attempt, and I thought with the offer being pulled off the table, Buss was taking a stand, but I guess not. LO is going to end upgetting the 10 mil he wants, which is overpaying once again, but resigning him does keep us as the favorites to repeat so I guess it's ok
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And Fish's 5 mil coming of the books won't mean too much since the cap is predicted to go down by that amount going into the 2010/2011 season anyway. Ialso just realized that the collective bargaining agreement expires in 2011 so who knows what type of new deal will come and how it will affect our ability toresign Pau and/or Kobe. We really may have only a legit 2 year window, this season and next to win a title which is why a 3 year deal for LO would be perfectcause by that time he'll be 32 and coming off the books and we can retool much quicker.
 
From the LakersBlog @ latimes.com

Nobody I spoke with, from coaches to agents to other members of the media, expects Odom to leave the Lakers, though one Western Conference GM said with a laugh that a lot of his brethren wish he would. (If LO is getting unsolicited mail on the virtues of life in south Florida, those guys are a likely source.) All part of the (not terribly surprising) consensus that losing Odom would have a major impact on LA's ability to repeat. Clearly Odom isn't LA's best player, but almost to a man he was described as a key component to what makes the Lakers such a unique challenge for the opposition on both ends of the floor. It's a skill set the Lakers can't replace.
 
Originally Posted by HybridSoldier23

From the LakersBlog @ latimes.com

Nobody I spoke with, from coaches to agents to other members of the media, expects Odom to leave the Lakers, though one Western Conference GM said with a laugh that a lot of his brethren wish he would. (If LO is getting unsolicited mail on the virtues of life in south Florida, those guys are a likely source.) All part of the (not terribly surprising) consensus that losing Odom would have a major impact on LA's ability to repeat. Clearly Odom isn't LA's best player, but almost to a man he was described as a key component to what makes the Lakers such a unique challenge for the opposition on both ends of the floor. It's a skill set the Lakers can't replace.


Been saying this....

Dude has always been a problem for everyone else.
 
Originally Posted by HybridSoldier23

From the LakersBlog @ latimes.com

Nobody I spoke with, from coaches to agents to other members of the media, expects Odom to leave the Lakers, though one Western Conference GM said with a laugh that a lot of his brethren wish he would. (If LO is getting unsolicited mail on the virtues of life in south Florida, those guys are a likely source.) All part of the (not terribly surprising) consensus that losing Odom would have a major impact on LA's ability to repeat. Clearly Odom isn't LA's best player, but almost to a man he was described as a key component to what makes the Lakers such a unique challenge for the opposition on both ends of the floor. It's a skill set the Lakers can't replace.



do it already Lamar...
 
Lemme ask you guys this, if we went 5/40, would you all be ok with that? That's the 8 mil a year you guys think he's worth, but with an extra year onit.

Ya see to me, I rather give up an extra mil or two a year then to actually give a full year added to a deal.

For instance, for all the hate people have about Sasha's contract, it's actually not that bad as it only has 2 years left on it already. At thedeadline, that is a deal that teams might take on in a trade for a guy makin 7-8 mil a year. Whereas Walton's deal thru 2033 is a horrible deal, no matterhow low the number might be each year.

So which is a better contract for the Lakers, 4/40 mill, or 5/40 mill?
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Pretty simple isn't it?
 
I'm honestly okay with a fifth year, I don't think Lamar will fall off in terms of skill the way everyone else seems to think he will.
 
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