[::2009 Champion LAKERS OFF-SEASON THREAD Vol. Boring Non-News Days Causing In-Thread Tension::]

Originally Posted by CP1708

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God damn it Lamar.

How the hell is the market 6 mill? Glad Buss went over and above that, but 6 mil? That ain't right.


Funny because that's all Miami can offer him now!
Lamar will likely turndown more to get less... What a genius
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Originally Posted by CP1708

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God damn it Lamar.

How the hell is the market 6 mill? Glad Buss went over and above that, but 6 mil? That ain't right.
did they not see marion's or andy's contract?
 
Originally Posted by NIMO007

JOHN IRELAND OF Espn 710 is saying that he spoke to people closest to Lamar


and he says Buss is not putting the offer back on the table.


The lakers organization feel his market value only worth 6 Million and Buss was willing to surpass his market value.


But Lamar passed on it


He also said that his agent advised him to take the offer, but Odom himself wanted more.


He believes the previous 10 mill offer will not come back to the table!


Ireland is calling that bsports website as BS. Buss is in Hawaii with his family.

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Bye Lamar.

Dr. Buss is making a mistake. Just put the offer back on the table.

Lamar have fun in MIA.
 
Buss can still put the offer on the table.

Maybe that's why Lamar hasn't signed yet, he's just waiting for Buss to cool down, relax and then come home and put the offer back out there.
 
For Lamar's sake I truly hope Irelands report is false...


But Ireland is normally good on his word
 
Regarding Lamar, I go back to what I've said with Kobe many, many times: we won before him, and we'll win after him.

Do I want Lamar to remain a Laker? Of course! But we don't... 'need'... Lamar on the team. The Celtics, Spurs, Pistons, Lakers, and cHeatall won championships this decade with Lamar on another team. The Nets went to back-to-back Finals with Lamar on another team.

I think mentally, I've already moved on, even though it's not official that he's gone and not official that he's staying. I'll celebratehis new Laker contract when I hear/see something official from the Lakers and I know that we didn't overpay or commit to too long.
 
That black sports online report is false period point blank.

he best offer the Lakers had previously offered was Odom was for four years, $36 million. But the fourth year was a team option, that the Lakers had to either exercise, or buy Lamar out for $3 million. That means Odom turned down a guaranteed three year, $30 million contract.

That offer is no longer on the table, nor is any offer from the Lakers. I'm told that if Lamar called the team today and said he would accept these terms, he would most likely be told that the offer is no longer available. Again, this is my opinion based on multiple conversations. I have not spoken directly to Mitch Kupchak or Jerry Buss. If Lamar and Dr. Buss got together over dinner, maybe that original offer could resurface, but I'm told that's highly unlikely.

By the way, the perception that Odom's agent, Jeff Schwartz, has been making this worse isn't necessarily true. I've had two different people tell me that Schwartz is a solid agent who has taken every offer seriously, and advised Lamar to do the same. I had one guy who told me, "I'm pretty sure Jeff advised him to take the deal...it's always the client's call."-I said yesterday that I thought the percentage chance of Lamar returning to the Lakers was 70%. Everybody I talked to today said my number was too high, and "it's more like 50/50." I still think it's more than that, but not much.

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Bye Lamar!!!!!
 
Originally Posted by 23ska909red02

Regarding Lamar, I go back to what I've said with Kobe many, many times: we won before him, and we'll win after him.

Do I want Lamar to remain a Laker? Of course! But we don't... 'need'... Lamar on the team. The Celtics, Spurs, Pistons, Lakers, and cHeat all won championships this decade with Lamar on another team. The Nets went to back-to-back Finals with Lamar on another team.

I think mentally, I've already moved on, even though it's not official that he's gone and not official that he's staying. I'll celebrate his new Laker contract when I hear/see something official from the Lakers and I know that we didn't overpay or commit to too long.
true that other teams won championships without lamar on their team but lamar is what makes the Lakers a difficult matchup cuz of the differentlineups that Phil can put out there, either being the power big lineup with Pau and Bynum, or being the quick attacking team with Pau and Lamar and withoutLamar you lose that dynamic. Take away a key player from those teams and they don't win either. Take away Ginobili and the Spurs don't win, take awayRasheed Wallace and the Pistons don't win, KG from the Celtics etc
 
Originally Posted by tupac003

That black sports online report is false period point blank.

he best offer the Lakers had previously offered was Odom was for four years, $36 million. But the fourth year was a team option, that the Lakers had to either exercise, or buy Lamar out for $3 million. That means Odom turned down a guaranteed three year, $30 million contract.

That offer is no longer on the table, nor is any offer from the Lakers. I'm told that if Lamar called the team today and said he would accept these terms, he would most likely be told that the offer is no longer available. Again, this is my opinion based on multiple conversations. I have not spoken directly to Mitch Kupchak or Jerry Buss. If Lamar and Dr. Buss got together over dinner, maybe that original offer could resurface, but I'm told that's highly unlikely.

By the way, the perception that Odom's agent, Jeff Schwartz, has been making this worse isn't necessarily true. I've had two different people tell me that Schwartz is a solid agent who has taken every offer seriously, and advised Lamar to do the same. I had one guy who told me, "I'm pretty sure Jeff advised him to take the deal...it's always the client's call."-I said yesterday that I thought the percentage chance of Lamar returning to the Lakers was 70%. Everybody I talked to today said my number was too high, and "it's more like 50/50." I still think it's more than that, but not much.
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Bye Lamar!!!!!
damn...Lamar screwed himself...go rot in miami with that star jones loving...wheelchair riding bastard

anyways is kobe a credible source?
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[h1]Bryant 'optimistic' Odom will re-sign with Lakers[/h1]
By ALEX KENNEDY, Associated Press Writer 14 hours, 35 minutes ago


SINGAPORE (AP)-Los Angeles Lakers star Kobe Bryant(notes) is optimistic the NBA champions will re-sign key free agent Lamar Odom(notes).

"I'm optimistic that he'll be back," Bryant said Wednesday at a news conference in Singapore as part of a six-country Asian tour. "He makes us a much, much stronger team."

Negotiations broke down last week and the Lakers retracted a contract offer to Odom. The Miami Heat are also wooing the 6-foot-10 forward.

Odom played a key role off the bench in the Lakers' championship run, averaging 12.3 points and 9.1 rebounds during the playoffs.

Bryant said forward Ron Artest(notes), who signed as a free agent with the Lakers earlier this month, will help bolster the team's chances to repeat as champions.

"I think Ron's going to be a great addition to us," Bryant said. "It's about how well we play together. No matter how much talent you have, it's about how you put those pieces of the puzzle together."

Bryant downplayed speculation that Lakers coach Phil Jackson may take some games off next season because of health problems.

"Who said he's coaching less?" Bryant said. "Phil likes messing with you guys. He'll be there all the time, unless he has a doctor's appointment to get to."

Bryant also said he was more likely to agree to play for Team USA at the World Championships in 2010 and the 2012 London Olympics now that Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski has committed to lead the team.

Bryant and Krzyzewski won the gold medal at the Beijing Olympics last year.

"I'm very excited to see that he signed on," Bryant said. "It influences all the guys just because we've been through that experience before and it becomes like a family."

"It definitely influences me."

Bryant, an 11-time All-Star, said a possible showdown against LeBron James(notes), former Lakers teammate Shaquille O'Neal(notes) and the Cleveland Cavaliers in next season's finals would be "crazy."

"Just the hoopla that surrounds it and all the stories that would come out of it," Bryant said. "If that match up is to happen, we have to take it one day at a time, we can't get caught up in it being a given that we're going to be in the finals."

"We have to take care of our business, but that being said, it would be a heck of a show."
 
solefob:
23ska909red02:
Regarding Lamar, I go back to what I've said with Kobe many, many times: we won before him, and we'll win after him.

Do I want Lamar to remain a Laker? Of course! But we don't... 'need'... Lamar on the team. The Celtics, Spurs, Pistons, Lakers, and cHeat all won championships this decade with Lamar on another team. The Nets went to back-to-back Finals with Lamar on another team.

I think mentally, I've already moved on, even though it's not official that he's gone and not official that he's staying. I'll celebrate his new Laker contract when I hear/see something official from the Lakers and I know that we didn't overpay or commit to too long.
true that other teams won championships without lamar on their team but lamar is what makes the Lakers a difficult matchup cuz of the different lineups that Phil can put out there, either being the power big lineup with Pau and Bynum, or being the quick attacking team with Pau and Lamar and without Lamar you lose that dynamic. Take away a key player from those teams and they don't win either. Take away Ginobili and the Spurs don't win, take away Rasheed Wallace and the Pistons don't win, KG from the Celtics etc
I understand the matchup difficulties.

But the Spurs won without Garnett or Sheed or Lamar, the Pistons won without Ginobili, Lamar, or Garnett, the Celtics won without Sheed, Ginobili, or Lamar,and the Lakers won without Ginobili, Sheed, or Garnett... etc.

I can understand saying that Lamar certainly helps us win it all, but saying that he is... it? Like, if we don'tsign him, we're wasting time playing any more games, because we're definitely not going to win the championship? I hate hearing that kind of talk aboutany player. The Bulls are the only championship team in recent history where it can be said 'Nope, they didn't win any championships before thatplayer, and they haven't won any since.'

If you want to say that Lamar is a matchup nightmare because of his versatility AND we have no shot at a championship without him, be my guest.

All I'm saying is that he's a matchup nightmare because of his versatility, but I'm not throwing in the towel if he walks.
 
SKA i 100% understand your point... mentally ive moved past Odom in a Laker jersey.
Im always in a "F Odom Mood"
i think we had a Luxary with the match up problems Odom presented, but its not something that will make us a worse team... i mean seriously we all complainedabout how inconsistent he was... and personally i dont want to commit $40 mill to a guy who balled out cuz it was his contract year....

let him go, and lets get through this season, and try to gel with the team we have.... Bynum gonna have to really step up now, cuz he wont have much room forerror.
But F Lamar Odom wether he signs back or not.
 
Originally Posted by 23ska909red02

solefob:
23ska909red02:
Regarding Lamar, I go back to what I've said with Kobe many, many times: we won before him, and we'll win after him.

Do I want Lamar to remain a Laker? Of course! But we don't... 'need'... Lamar on the team. The Celtics, Spurs, Pistons, Lakers, and cHeat all won championships this decade with Lamar on another team. The Nets went to back-to-back Finals with Lamar on another team.

I think mentally, I've already moved on, even though it's not official that he's gone and not official that he's staying. I'll celebrate his new Laker contract when I hear/see something official from the Lakers and I know that we didn't overpay or commit to too long.
true that other teams won championships without lamar on their team but lamar is what makes the Lakers a difficult matchup cuz of the different lineups that Phil can put out there, either being the power big lineup with Pau and Bynum, or being the quick attacking team with Pau and Lamar and without Lamar you lose that dynamic. Take away a key player from those teams and they don't win either. Take away Ginobili and the Spurs don't win, take away Rasheed Wallace and the Pistons don't win, KG from the Celtics etc
I understand the matchup difficulties.

But the Spurs won without Garnett or Sheed or Lamar, the Pistons won without Ginobili, Lamar, or Garnett, the Celtics won without Sheed, Ginobili, or Lamar, and the Lakers won without Ginobili, Sheed, or Garnett... etc.

I can understand saying that Lamar certainly helps us win it all, but saying that he is... it? Like, if we don't sign him, we're wasting time playing any more games, because we're definitely not going to win the championship? I hate hearing that kind of talk about any player. The Bulls are the only championship team in recent history where it can be said 'Nope, they didn't win any championships before that player, and they haven't won any since.'

If you want to say that Lamar is a matchup nightmare because of his versatility AND we have no shot at a championship without him, be my guest.

All I'm saying is that he's a matchup nightmare because of his versatility, but I'm not throwing in the towel if he walks.

without Lamar they are still a championship caliber team but with him, they are a 70 win caliber team.
He's just too valuable in my opinion.

I can understand your argument ska but if they lose Lamar and don't replace him with quality player then I would be wary of Orlando, Boston and San Antonio
 
Originally Posted by Infyrno23

SKA i 100% understand your point... mentally ive moved past Odom in a Laker jersey.
Im always in a "F Odom Mood"
i think we had a Luxary with the match up problems Odom presented, but its not something that will make us a worse team... i mean seriously we all complained about how inconsistent he was... and personally i dont want to commit $40 mill to a guy who balled out cuz it was his contract year....

let him go, and lets get through this season, and try to gel with the team we have.... Bynum gonna have to really step up now, cuz he wont have much room for error.
But F Lamar Odom wether he signs back or not.
word...i said during the playoffs...championship or not odoms gone next year (although this when i thought ariza was staying
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)...if odumb leaves we still have a versatile player...i mean we still have thechinese magic johnson on the team right?
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Originally Posted by 23ska909red02

solefob:
23ska909red02:
Regarding Lamar, I go back to what I've said with Kobe many, many times: we won before him, and we'll win after him.

Do I want Lamar to remain a Laker? Of course! But we don't... 'need'... Lamar on the team. The Celtics, Spurs, Pistons, Lakers, and cHeat all won championships this decade with Lamar on another team. The Nets went to back-to-back Finals with Lamar on another team.

I think mentally, I've already moved on, even though it's not official that he's gone and not official that he's staying. I'll celebrate his new Laker contract when I hear/see something official from the Lakers and I know that we didn't overpay or commit to too long.
true that other teams won championships without lamar on their team but lamar is what makes the Lakers a difficult matchup cuz of the different lineups that Phil can put out there, either being the power big lineup with Pau and Bynum, or being the quick attacking team with Pau and Lamar and without Lamar you lose that dynamic. Take away a key player from those teams and they don't win either. Take away Ginobili and the Spurs don't win, take away Rasheed Wallace and the Pistons don't win, KG from the Celtics etc
I understand the matchup difficulties.

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]But the Spurs won without Garnett or Sheed or Lamar, the Pistons won without Ginobili, Lamar, or Garnett, the Celtics won without Sheed, Ginobili, or Lamar, and the Lakers won without Ginobili, Sheed, or Garnett... etc.[/color]

I can understand saying that Lamar certainly helps us win it all, but saying that he is... it? Like, if we don't sign him, we're wasting time playing any more games, because we're definitely not going to win the championship? I hate hearing that kind of talk about any player. The Bulls are the only championship team in recent history where it can be said 'Nope, they didn't win any championships before that player, and they haven't won any since.'

If you want to say that Lamar is a matchup nightmare because of his versatility AND we have no shot at a championship without him, be my guest.

All I'm saying is that he's a matchup nightmare because of his versatility, but I'm not throwing in the towel if he walks.

Ska, what in the world are you spewing in the red font? That is just a bunch of gibberish.
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I thought you were smarter than that.
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From an "outsider's" perspective (non Laker fan) here's my take on the subject. If LO stays, you guys are pretty much a lock for the title(& possibly another 3-Peat
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If LO walks, you are obviously still a great team & a main contender, but I then feel the 'chip is fair game to the rest of the league.
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LO is THAT DUDE that puts your roster above the rest IMO (his versatility/mismatch nightmare cannot go ignored). W/O LO your bench is a GIANT ? mark.


Bottom line. This dude would be a complete moron to bolt for about the same amount of $ somewhere else (much like Ariza). But I (& the rest of theleague's fans) will absolutely LOVE it.
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Nobody is ''throwing in the towel''....

People are just bein realistic about the situation, if he leaves thats a major loss....

Can we win without LO???? YES, but they shouldnt be in such a rush to try it....

Its funny, i've havent been so uneasy after a CHIP win....

Im keeping my fingers crossed till i see him holdin up another jersey....
 
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