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Depends which Caron you get... He ain't all that different from Josh...
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Butler>>>>>>>>>>>Howard in every aspect of the game and im sure everyone will agree.
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Whaaaaaaat?
He's been down a tad this season, but I think he's an upgrade overall.
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Still an upgrade anyway, in my book.
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Yea i get what you are saying but i think that him getting out of that dump in washington will get him playing like an allstar again.
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We gotta get Haywood or this deal doesn't do much. Butler is pretty good. Not the answer by himself though, which is why they need Haywood to be involved in this deal. But overall, Butler is a more natural scorer than Howard. I've never been a fan of Howard, even during his prime. Just his entire game seems unnatural, from his jump shot to his scoring moves to his horrible ball handling. Howard is a guy who came into the league as a role player with low-risk potential and developed into a 17-18 ppg guy. He exceeded his ceiling and doesn't have the natural ability to maintain that level of play IMO.
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Caron>J-High IMO
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C. Butler aka Tough Juice >>>> J. Ho by far. CB has heart, and will give the Mavs a element of toughness that they don't have. I hope it goes down.
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When Josh is healthy? They're not far apart at all...
Caron hasn't played at a very high level for two years now...
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Marc Stein reporting Haywood IS in the deal.
Mavs, Wizards talking multiplayer deal
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The Washington Wizards and Dallas Mavericks are closing in on a multi-player trade that will launch Washington's long-anticipated rebuilding project in earnest and send Wizards mainstays Caron Butler and Brendan Haywood to the Mavericks, according to sources close to the situation.
Although the deal could take until Monday to be finalized, sources said that the teams have essentially agreed on the principal pieces: Butler, Haywood and DeShawn Stevenson to Dallas for Josh Howard and Drew Gooden.
The Mavericks must add additional low-dollar contracts to the deal to make the salary-cap math work -- candidates include Tim Thomas, Quinton Ross and James Singleton -- but are not expected to surrender prized rookie guard Roddy Beaubois in the swap.
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Sources told ESPN.com that the teams' negotiations only grew more serious and, barring an unexpected late snag, will result in the trade that will serve as the first major domino to fall to loosen things up in advance of Thursday's annual trading deadline.
Several sources with direct knowledge of the teams' discussions said Friday that the teams were closing in on a final trade construction that will enable Washington to truly launch its rebuilding efforts, realize significant financial relief in the midst of a disastrous season and achieve all those aims without giving up forward Antawn Jamison, which is the Wizards' preference.
The possible acquisitions of Butler and Haywood, meanwhile, would be a welcome spark for the sputtering Mavericks, with Butler moving into the spot vacated by Howard and Haywood arriving as another rim-protecting defensive anchor in the wake of a knee injury that has compromised the effectiveness of Mavs center Erick Dampier.
Acquiring Haywood and having the chance to re-sign him this summer would likely fill the void Dallas thought it filled last summer, when the Mavs signed Orlando center Marcin Gortat to a lucrative offer sheet, only for the Magic to unexpectedly match the offer to the restricted free agent.
Washington would inevitably want Beaubois added to the deal, but Mavs owner Mark Cuban said earlier this week that his young point guard is "pretty much untouchable" as Thursday's trade deadline approaches. But sources say the Wizards are gaining so much payroll and luxury-tax relief -- while also keeping Jamison -- that they couldn't pass on Dallas' offer.
The Wizards have been talking to several teams for weeks about deals involving Butler and Haywood, most notably Houston with Tracy McGrady's $22.5 million expiring contract. But talks with Dallas had stalled in the past week, partly because of Washington's insistence that the Mavericks take guard Stevenson in any Butler deal.
The potential for acquiring two front-line players -- since Butler and Haywood would immediately become key rotation players for Dallas -- renewed the Mavs' interest and convinced them to relent on Stevenson.
Speaking to a group of reporters Thursday, Cuban said: "We kind of know the parameters [under] which we would make a deal. If somebody meets our parameters, we'll pull the trigger. But if not, we're not going to do it. I don't see us doing something just to do something because that'll kill our flexibility this summer. But in the event that there's somebody that really upgrades our talent and really makes our team better, then maybe we'll do it."
Marc Stein is a senior NBA writer for ESPN.com.
Mavs, Wizards talking multiplayer deal
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By Marc Stein
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The Washington Wizards and Dallas Mavericks are closing in on a multi-player trade that will launch Washington's long-anticipated rebuilding project in earnest and send Wizards mainstays Caron Butler and Brendan Haywood to the Mavericks, according to sources close to the situation.
Although the deal could take until Monday to be finalized, sources said that the teams have essentially agreed on the principal pieces: Butler, Haywood and DeShawn Stevenson to Dallas for Josh Howard and Drew Gooden.
The Mavericks must add additional low-dollar contracts to the deal to make the salary-cap math work -- candidates include Tim Thomas, Quinton Ross and James Singleton -- but are not expected to surrender prized rookie guard Roddy Beaubois in the swap.
More on the Mavs
News, notes and analysis of the Mavericks from ESPNDallas.com's Jeff Caplan, Tim MacMahon and the rest of our team. Blog.
Sources told ESPN.com that the teams' negotiations only grew more serious and, barring an unexpected late snag, will result in the trade that will serve as the first major domino to fall to loosen things up in advance of Thursday's annual trading deadline.
Several sources with direct knowledge of the teams' discussions said Friday that the teams were closing in on a final trade construction that will enable Washington to truly launch its rebuilding efforts, realize significant financial relief in the midst of a disastrous season and achieve all those aims without giving up forward Antawn Jamison, which is the Wizards' preference.
The possible acquisitions of Butler and Haywood, meanwhile, would be a welcome spark for the sputtering Mavericks, with Butler moving into the spot vacated by Howard and Haywood arriving as another rim-protecting defensive anchor in the wake of a knee injury that has compromised the effectiveness of Mavs center Erick Dampier.
Acquiring Haywood and having the chance to re-sign him this summer would likely fill the void Dallas thought it filled last summer, when the Mavs signed Orlando center Marcin Gortat to a lucrative offer sheet, only for the Magic to unexpectedly match the offer to the restricted free agent.
Washington would inevitably want Beaubois added to the deal, but Mavs owner Mark Cuban said earlier this week that his young point guard is "pretty much untouchable" as Thursday's trade deadline approaches. But sources say the Wizards are gaining so much payroll and luxury-tax relief -- while also keeping Jamison -- that they couldn't pass on Dallas' offer.
The Wizards have been talking to several teams for weeks about deals involving Butler and Haywood, most notably Houston with Tracy McGrady's $22.5 million expiring contract. But talks with Dallas had stalled in the past week, partly because of Washington's insistence that the Mavericks take guard Stevenson in any Butler deal.
The potential for acquiring two front-line players -- since Butler and Haywood would immediately become key rotation players for Dallas -- renewed the Mavs' interest and convinced them to relent on Stevenson.
Speaking to a group of reporters Thursday, Cuban said: "We kind of know the parameters [under] which we would make a deal. If somebody meets our parameters, we'll pull the trigger. But if not, we're not going to do it. I don't see us doing something just to do something because that'll kill our flexibility this summer. But in the event that there's somebody that really upgrades our talent and really makes our team better, then maybe we'll do it."
Marc Stein is a senior NBA writer for ESPN.com.
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So they flip Caron, Haywood and Stevenson to Dallas... Flip Antawn to Cleveland or wherever... And they're stuck with Gil for eternity
Best they can do at this point, I guess...
Best they can do at this point, I guess...
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dissapointed
...yes I know we had to let go of Butler/Jamison..and Haywood....2 focal points of our team...what great players
gotta look toward the future
gotta look toward the future
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After the Gilbert Arenas situation earlier this year, we all knew the Wizards were going to blow up the whole team. Damn shame too.Originally Posted by xcg11pinoYx
dissapointed...yes I know we had to let go of Butler/Jamison..and Haywood....2 focal points of our team...what great players
gotta look toward the future
At least you guys have Ernie Grunfeld, dude knows what he's doing. The Wiz will back back up in about 3-5 years.
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All these rumors and different views on diff site & sources... When is the 1st deal gonna be done !
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josh fam soooooooooooo
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I agree 100% ..Ernie has made some great moves...I can't believe I used to defend Gil's antics..I hate that man.Originally Posted by nycknicks105
After the Gilbert Arenas situation earlier this year, we all knew the Wizards were going to blow up the whole team. Damn shame too.Originally Posted by xcg11pinoYx
dissapointed...yes I know we had to let go of Butler/Jamison..and Haywood....2 focal points of our team...what great players
gotta look toward the future
At least you guys have Ernie Grunfeld, dude knows what he's doing. The Wiz will back back up in about 3-5 years.
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Knicks couldnt jump on Haywood?
Nice move by Mavs. really surprised at them moving Haywood, oh well.
Nice move by Mavs. really surprised at them moving Haywood, oh well.
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Derek Fisher has 4 rings.....
Definitely is key to the Cavs success if they trade for him
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Originally Posted by outacontrol music
I would be mad seeing Amare leave the Suns, but I'll be happy to watch him contend for a ring.
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Originally Posted by COOLnificent
Imagine all of the travels not being calledOriginally Posted by I NaSmatic I
Imagine seeing LeBron and Maggette on a break.
On a side note, Billy Hoyle needs to log off and forget his password. This dude is one of the dumber S&T posters I've seen in some time...
EDIT: Damn. Amare looks good in a CAVS uni.
