2013-2014 NBA Thread - IND @ WAS and OKC @ LAC on ESPN

[do work son]

i forgot to mention this too

people always say how roy hibbert for example is such a better free throw shooter than dwight.

granted, teams impose the "hack a dwight", let's do some simple math.

last year roy hibbert shot 74% from the free throw line.
dwight shot a miserable 49%.

roy averaged 2.1 made free throws out of 2.8 attempted free throws per game last season.
dwight averaged 5.3 made free throws out of 10.7 attempted free throws per game last season.

quick, who scored more points from the free throw line per game?

he also shot 13% worse from the field than dwight, but hey, Roy has all those post moves dwight doesn't.

 

[Peep Game]

lol for a guy that tall and jump that high he could get 18-20 boards a night if he's smart. Unfortunately he's neither smart or good. Also look how many times he get foul per game and sent to the line. That's at least 10-14 freebie points per night right there if he could make them. Unfortunately he couldn't because he sucks . D12=trash to me.

Never see why this dude made the allstar over guys like Hibbert, Demarcus etc. Must be shoeking who voted him in.

Maybe because those guys aren't responsible for any 50 win seasons?
Maybe because those guys have yet to produce at a level of Dwight Howard's when you consider his previous impact on a team's win total?
Maybe because...awe man forget it. i don't even know why I'm going back and fourth with you G you out here saying an all nba performer "sucks" because he can't "easily grab 20 rebounds a night"...listen to yourself man.
you got it.

Just to add about other big guys, does no one remember that before last year's playoff series (and possibly late last season), Roy Hibbert was known as one of the softest centers in the league, and in an instant could look invisible? Hibbert's getting a whole lot of praise now (deservingly so), but it wasn't long ago he was getting bashed like crazy. It's classic NT --- knee-jerk reactions and convenient amnesia.

And Howard is suddenly 6'9" now?? aiight, NFL tomorrow

 

[JD617]

lol for a guy that tall and jump that high he could get 18-20 boards a night if he's smart.

First of all, LOL at 18-20 boards. Second, I don't think people realize Dwight is most likely 6'9", 6'10" at the absolute most.

 

 

[dipsetgeneral]

I hope so, but it seems like he just plays out of his mind against LeBron and Carmelo then is average the rest of the time.

So true.

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3 straight wins though

 

[sea manup]

being that short (for a center) is not a good look.

kinda related: why are there no 7fters that are good rebounders?

and by good i mean leading the league good

 

[do work son]

lol for a guy that tall and jump that high he could get 18-20 boards a night if he's smart.

First of all, LOL at 18-20 boards. Second, I don't think people realize Dwight is most likely 6'9", 6'10" at the absolute most.

KD might be as tall if not taller than dwight. he sucks though, can't believe that guy doesn't average 20 boards a game,.

 

[duba169]

Dwight doesn't suck he's just overrated, overpaid, underwhelming, and his team is better off with him on the bench if there is 6 minutes left in a close game. Excuse me for using the word suck to stand for all of that

 

[dt43]

 

Okay, Shaq.

lol for a guy that tall and jump that high he could get 18-20 boards a night if he's smart. Unfortunately he's neither smart or good. Also look how many times he get foul per game and sent to the line. That's at least 10-14 freebie points per night right there if he could make them. Unfortunately he couldn't because he sucks . D12=trash to me.

Never see why this dude made the allstar over guys like Hibbert, Demarcus etc. Must be shoeking who voted him in.

hibbert and demarcus have never shot 50% in a whole season. Dwight's career low was his rookie year, at 52%

i now see the problem. y'all are expecting dwight to put up numbers that shaq, karl malone, bill russell, james worthy, and kareem abdul jabbar never put up

There it is

The reason why people say that is because the current era is so weak for big men compared to the past.

Dwight is easily the most athletic/physically imposing player at his position in the league right now. I'm not saying he should be putting up 20/20 but he should at least be able to establish himself as a 'dominant' #1 option on offense. He was just a 'good' #1 option in Orlando, and since then he's only declined in that capacity. His defense is obviously elite, it's his offensive shortcomings that are troubling.

if this era of big men is weak, and dwight produces at a similar level to most of his peers, does that mean they all suck too?

Uhh I never said Dwight 'sucked'? I didn't use that terminology anywhere in my post.

The current crop of big men don't 'suck', there are a lot of very good big men in the NBA. There just aren't as many all-time great bigs right now as there were in the past.

Dwight had the potential to be one of those all-time great big men, but he never clearly separated himself from his contemporaries. He has certain shortcomings that are particularly damaging to the teams he plays for. He is a poor FT shooter, a very limited scorer, he isn't a good passer, and he turns the ball over at a historically alarming rate. When it comes down to it, unless you're getting the 2009 Orlando Dwight every single night, there are situations where I would take other big men over Dwight Howard. Particularly if I have to pay Dwight a max contract and a guy like Hibbert or Marc Gasol is playing for less than the max.





I saw this question asked on another forum.. would you rather build a team around Harden/Dwight or George/Hibbert?

 

[jumpmantwenty3]

i forgot to mention this too

people always say how roy hibbert for example is such a better free throw shooter than dwight.

granted, teams impose the "hack a dwight", let's do some simple math.

last year roy hibbert shot 74% from the free throw line.
dwight shot a miserable 49%.

roy averaged 2.1 made free throws out of 2.8 attempted free throws per game last season.
dwight averaged 5.3 made free throws out of 10.7 attempted free throws per game last season.

quick, who scored more points from the free throw line per game?

he also shot 13% worse from the field than dwight, but hey, Roy has all those post moves dwight doesn't.

easy to say he scored more points from the FT line, but i'm willing to bet a large chunk of those came at the expense of actual offensive sets lost due to Hack-a-Dwight.

 

[jumpmantwenty3]

Was Harden guarding Reddick in this game also?

 

[sea manup]

i never understood why teams with active bigmen dont just contest dwights rebounds more. look at tonight, DJ more than doubled this clowns rebounding.

advanced stats of the top 10 rebounders in the nba so far:

dude has more free rebounds fall into his hands than most people average

 

[do work son]

50% shooting 10 free throws is better than 75% shooting 4 free throws.

and harden was guarding him early, but switched off because redick just ran in circles until he got open, similar to his entire collegiate career

i never understood why teams with active bigmen dont just contest dwights rebounds more. look at tonight, DJ more than doubled this clowns rebounding.

advanced stats of the top 10 rebounders in the nba so far:

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dude has more free rebounds fall into his hands than most people average

DJ did a great job boxing out. with that said, if dwight has very few of his rebounds contested, could you then say he gets good positioning at which point players don't bother contesting? or would it kill you to give him a shred of credit?

 

[senorroboto2k5]

At least Miami fans used to get a bad rap cause they showed up to games late...

I guess that wasn't good enough, now they gotta leave close games early too?

Looks worse than a preseason game in there

 

[duba169]

i forgot to mention this too

people always say how roy hibbert for example is such a better free throw shooter than dwight.

granted, teams impose the "hack a dwight", let's do some simple math.

last year roy hibbert shot 74% from the free throw line.
dwight shot a miserable 49%.

roy averaged 2.1 made free throws out of 2.8 attempted free throws per game last season.
dwight averaged 5.3 made free throws out of 10.7 attempted free throws per game last season.

quick, who scored more points from the free throw line per game?

he also shot 13% worse from the field than dwight, but hey, Roy has all those post moves dwight doesn't.

I'm convinced some of you enjoy box scores and stats mores than watching games. Context be damned.

 

[do work son]

the statistics tell you what happens in the game. without them, people run and tell narratives to fit their agenda.

see: dwight sucks he has no post moves he's terrible on offense.

answer: if he sucks so bad on offense, why does he shoot higher percentages than his peers? yall love players like marc gasol and roy hibbert because they have better offensive skill sets. if their offenses are so much more polished, why can't they average more points than him on better field goal percentages?

i'll be the first to tell you dwight's low post game isn't very good but the fact remains he shoots a higher percentage than his counterparts. at the end of the day, a 15 foot jumpshot, the dream shake, a fadeaway on the block, a hook shot, and a dunk all count the same.

 

[sea manup]

50% shooting 10 free throws is better than 75% shooting 4 free throws.

and harden was guarding him early, but switched off because redick just ran in circles until he got open, similar to his entire collegiate career

i never understood why teams with active bigmen dont just contest dwights rebounds more. look at tonight, DJ more than doubled this clowns rebounding.

advanced stats of the top 10 rebounders in the nba so far:




dude has more free rebounds fall into his hands than most people average

DJ did a great job boxing out. with that said, if dwight has very few of his rebounds contested, could you then say he gets good positioning at which point players don't bother contesting? or would it kill you to give him a shred of credit?

hes an above average defender and rebounder that can jump high. nothing more nothing less.

good help defender but overrated 1v1 post defender

 

[duba169]

You can't quantify the significance of the team very likely being better off with him sitting on the bench in the 4th quarter. a stat box won't tell you that. It won't tell you how much it limits the coach's options. It won't tell you how much hack a Dwight effects his teammates getting into a rythem. Basketball is full of variables.

 

[alphawolf]

 
First of all, LOL at 18-20 boards. Second, I don't think people realize Dwight is most likely 6'9", 6'10" at the absolute most.

No excuse. Dennis Rodman is 6'7 on a good day. He still beast on the board. D12 play center. 6'10, mobile and has hops. He got all the tools to be a great rebounder.

 

[do work son]

like i said, it comes down to y'all having unrealistic expectations. 18/13 per game isn't bad for a player's career.

 

[Arthur Shelby]

 

[sea manup]

like i said, it comes down to y'all having unrealistic expectations. 18/13 per game isn't bad for a player's career.

yeah its actually pretty good for a center, but those are not #1 option numbers, those are not max contract numbers

outside of the 18/13 and the shot contesting there are no other positives, history of coach issues, crying about not getting touches, talking behind teammates backs instead of confronting them like a leader, losing his team games in the 4th due to his ft shooting while having a ego too big to let the coach sit him down, turning down the help of nba legends, having 0 post moves, feeling entitled to being the franchise player when there is someone better than him on the team, the list goes on.

the one lakers game i went to last season i watched guys like kobe/nash going through their motions and taking shots that they would take in game during shoot around while dwight was throwing our players off by throwing half court shots with ebanks

the guy is just a waste of a well built human being 

 

[alphawolf]

the statistics tell you what happens in the game. without them, people run and tell narratives to fit their agenda.

see: dwight sucks he has no post moves he's terrible on offense.

answer: if he sucks so bad on offense, why does he shoot higher percentages than his peers? yall love players like marc gasol and roy hibbert because they have better offensive skill sets. if their offenses are so much more polished, why can't they average more points than him on better field goal percentages?

i'll be the first to tell you dwight's low post game isn't very good

but the fact remains he shoots a higher percentage than his counterparts. at the end of the day, a 15 foot jumpshot, the dream shake, a fadeaway on the block, a hook shot, and a dunk all count the same.

Yea and you pay to watch the game not read the stat sheet.

We also live in 2013. You can watch the game anytime and see for yourself. If you don't agree with somebody just flip on the internet and see the replay.

Yes dunks, hook, dream shake, 15 foot etc all count the same but what separate a scrub from a skilled player is the ability to make the shot depend on how the defense play you. When the defense collapse on D12 and force him to create with his back against the basket lol you know the result. Someone who doesn't watch the game wouldn't be able to see the truth about Dwight game and would be misleaded by his 50+ FG%

 

[Arthur Shelby]

boogie

 

[JD617]

The point is I have no idea why you guys expect him to be better than every great big man from the '80s, '90s, and '00s.

20 & 20 hasn't been done since Wilt in '69.

25 & 15 hasn't been done since Kareem in '76.

Besides Rodman (who is a complete freak of nature) in '92 & '93, 18 boards a game hasn't been done since Elvin Hayes in '74.

Newsflash, Dwight is not a better basketball player than Moses, Hakeem, Shaq, Robinson, Duncan, KG, Dirk, Barkley, Malone, etc. so I have no idea why you guys expect him to do things they never could. Basically you guys think he should put up numbers on par with Wilt, Russell, and Kareem and oh yeah if that's not enough he has to do it in an era with a much slower pace than the track meet era those guys played in. You guys have expectations for him that are downright impossible to live up to. He was a very good player from '07-'11 before his back went, but to hold him to the standards of Wilt/Russell/Kareem is insane. You guys have to let that go.

 

[do work son]

So if he's a scrub, and guys like gasol, hibbert, lopez are skilled players, why don't they shoot higher percentages? You would think with their superior offensive arsenals they'd do better than they are now.

You can get caught up in all the narratives, I'll take the numbers. With or without post moves, he scores and rebounds better than most of his peers.