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[h1]Giants thinking LB, Te'o in play[/h1]
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06:53 AM ET 04.25 | Many NFL players weren't even born the last time the Giants last used their first-round pick on a linebacker. On Thursday night, that may begin to change. There are many people in the NFL who seem certain that the Giants will take a linebacker in the first round of the draft, 19th overall. If they do, it would be the first time they use their first-round pick on a player at that position since they took Carl Banks third overall way back in 1984. ... This year they should have a shot at several highly rated linebackers, including Notre Dame's Manti Te'o and Georgia's Alec Ogletree. Georgia's Jarvis Jones has an outside chance of sliding to 19.
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The NFP previews five players who could be surprising first round picks. Russ Lande
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Over the last month, we have been inundated with many mock drafts and one constant is the approximate 25 players who are almost always listed as likely first round picks. With the 2013 NFL Draft tomorrow, we take a look at five prospects that could be surprise first round draft picks.
1. Sanders Commings, CB, Georgia, Senior (6001, 216 and 4.42): While Dee Milliner and Xavier Rhodes have long been expected to be first round picks, in the last month Desmond Trufant and DJ Hayden have gained traction to likely join them. However, one player that has not received much publicity, but could sneak into the bottom of the first round is Georgia cornerback Sanders Commings. Although his play at Georgia was inconsistent at times, there are few cornerbacks, if any in this year’s draft, with the combination of size and athleticism that Commings possesses. With very good height and a muscular build, he has the look of a safety, but he has the exceptional football quickness, hips and rare speed that are usually reserved for 5’9 cornerbacks. When he is focused, he is excellent in all types of coverage and has the ball skills to make plays on the ball with shocking ease. Overall, Commings’ on field play warrants more of a second / third round selection, but his rare physical gifts could lead to him being picked in the final 10 picks of the first round because of his upside and potential.
US PRESSWIREOhio State defensive tackle Johnathan Hankins works along the LOS to try and catch Denard Robinson.
2. Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State, Junior (6027, 320 and 5.30): In a year with so many elite defensive tackle prospects, Hankins has generally slid under the radar, but there is no doubt that he has the physical talent to warrant being a first round pick. A big defensive tackle, Hankins almost looks thin for his height, but still has the strength to dominate blocks at the point of attack. Even when he does not make the play, Hankins has consistently shown the ability to tie up offensive lineman and anchor at the point of attack. Even more impressive than his strength, is his ability to defeat blocks when he plays with leverage and aggressiveness along with his speed chasing down and finishing plays. The issue I have with Hankins is that he does not play with the intensity or aggressiveness on every snap necessary to be the dominant player he has the talent to be. While I believe his on field play warrant second round draft consideration, defensive tackles with his talent and versatility to excel at any defensive line position in a 34 defense and as a power defensive tackle in a 43 scheme give him excellent value and make him a potential late first round pick.
3. Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma, Senior (6042, 225 and 5.12): Definitely the quarterback I had the hardest time assigning an appropriate grade, there has been some “buzz” surrounding Jones the last few weeks. Based just on the notes I took when evaluating Jones I would assign him a third round grade due to his streaky play. However, while evaluating his play I charted out every pass he threw in the 2012 games I evaluated and when I plugged the results into the computer he ended up as the number two ranked quarterback with a first round grade. Jones has a big time arm to easily make every NFL with zip and when he is on he can be an extremely accurate passer. Standing strong in the pocket, Jones was able to make strong, accurate throws as the pressure closed in on him. Having played in Oklahoma’s offense which does not require the complex adjustments of an NFL offense, Jones will need time to adjust to making all the protection calls/adjustments that an NFL offense requires. With questions surrounding many of the quarterbacks this year, more than one NFL source has told me that Jones is one of the top three quarterbacks in their team’s draft boards. While I still would bet on Jones being a second round pick, there is little question he could end up being one of the final ten picks in the first round as quarterbacks with high end physical talent usually go higher than their on field production.
4. Jesse Williams, DT, Alabama, Senior (6033, 323 and 5.20 E): For whatever reason, Williams has not received the publicity of an elite player, but it was clear from early in the first game evaluating him that he is a legit high end player with excellent NFL potential. Possessing rare playing strength, Williams makes it look simple anchoring vs run blocks, double team run blocks and can jolt and drive pass blocker backwards as if he is on skates. Still learning the nuances of playing American Football, Williams often does not make as many plays as he is physically capable of and is more of a disrupter than play-maker. I believe this is due to his lack of experience playing American football and raw technique. As the premier defensive tackles come off the board fast in this draft, I expect some team will reach out and pluck him in the first round; especially a team that plays a 34 defense because I am confident he can be a dominant nose tackle or defensive end in that scheme.
US PRESSWIREUSC receiver Robert Woods turns up the field running with the ball.
5. Robert Woods, WR, USC, Junior (6003, 201 and 4.51): With all the receiver talk centering around the rare physical talents of Cordarrelle Patterson and Tavon Austin and the disappointing Pro Day workout of Keenan Allen, Woods has continued to be dramatically under-rated. At 6’0, with a solid build and running excellent routes, Woods has the deceptive quickness and burst to easily get separation from the best cornerbacks. Not only a sharp route runner, but also a smart receiver who is easily able to identify holes in zone/off coverage, sits down in them and works back to the QB when needed, Woods consistently makes tough catches in key situations. Although 40 times seem to carry an inordinate amount of influence when receivers are broken down, Woods is a much more polished receiver than Patterson and Austin. It is clear that Woods will at worst be selected in the second round; I believe he should be selected by one of the bottom five or eight teams looking for a “plug and play” receiver.
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06:53 AM ET 04.25 | Many NFL players weren't even born the last time the Giants last used their first-round pick on a linebacker. On Thursday night, that may begin to change. There are many people in the NFL who seem certain that the Giants will take a linebacker in the first round of the draft, 19th overall. If they do, it would be the first time they use their first-round pick on a player at that position since they took Carl Banks third overall way back in 1984. ... This year they should have a shot at several highly rated linebackers, including Notre Dame's Manti Te'o and Georgia's Alec Ogletree. Georgia's Jarvis Jones has an outside chance of sliding to 19.
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1. Sanders Commings, CB, Georgia, Senior (6001, 216 and 4.42): While Dee Milliner and Xavier Rhodes have long been expected to be first round picks, in the last month Desmond Trufant and DJ Hayden have gained traction to likely join them. However, one player that has not received much publicity, but could sneak into the bottom of the first round is Georgia cornerback Sanders Commings. Although his play at Georgia was inconsistent at times, there are few cornerbacks, if any in this year’s draft, with the combination of size and athleticism that Commings possesses. With very good height and a muscular build, he has the look of a safety, but he has the exceptional football quickness, hips and rare speed that are usually reserved for 5’9 cornerbacks. When he is focused, he is excellent in all types of coverage and has the ball skills to make plays on the ball with shocking ease. Overall, Commings’ on field play warrants more of a second / third round selection, but his rare physical gifts could lead to him being picked in the final 10 picks of the first round because of his upside and potential.
2. Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State, Junior (6027, 320 and 5.30): In a year with so many elite defensive tackle prospects, Hankins has generally slid under the radar, but there is no doubt that he has the physical talent to warrant being a first round pick. A big defensive tackle, Hankins almost looks thin for his height, but still has the strength to dominate blocks at the point of attack. Even when he does not make the play, Hankins has consistently shown the ability to tie up offensive lineman and anchor at the point of attack. Even more impressive than his strength, is his ability to defeat blocks when he plays with leverage and aggressiveness along with his speed chasing down and finishing plays. The issue I have with Hankins is that he does not play with the intensity or aggressiveness on every snap necessary to be the dominant player he has the talent to be. While I believe his on field play warrant second round draft consideration, defensive tackles with his talent and versatility to excel at any defensive line position in a 34 defense and as a power defensive tackle in a 43 scheme give him excellent value and make him a potential late first round pick.
3. Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma, Senior (6042, 225 and 5.12): Definitely the quarterback I had the hardest time assigning an appropriate grade, there has been some “buzz” surrounding Jones the last few weeks. Based just on the notes I took when evaluating Jones I would assign him a third round grade due to his streaky play. However, while evaluating his play I charted out every pass he threw in the 2012 games I evaluated and when I plugged the results into the computer he ended up as the number two ranked quarterback with a first round grade. Jones has a big time arm to easily make every NFL with zip and when he is on he can be an extremely accurate passer. Standing strong in the pocket, Jones was able to make strong, accurate throws as the pressure closed in on him. Having played in Oklahoma’s offense which does not require the complex adjustments of an NFL offense, Jones will need time to adjust to making all the protection calls/adjustments that an NFL offense requires. With questions surrounding many of the quarterbacks this year, more than one NFL source has told me that Jones is one of the top three quarterbacks in their team’s draft boards. While I still would bet on Jones being a second round pick, there is little question he could end up being one of the final ten picks in the first round as quarterbacks with high end physical talent usually go higher than their on field production.
4. Jesse Williams, DT, Alabama, Senior (6033, 323 and 5.20 E): For whatever reason, Williams has not received the publicity of an elite player, but it was clear from early in the first game evaluating him that he is a legit high end player with excellent NFL potential. Possessing rare playing strength, Williams makes it look simple anchoring vs run blocks, double team run blocks and can jolt and drive pass blocker backwards as if he is on skates. Still learning the nuances of playing American Football, Williams often does not make as many plays as he is physically capable of and is more of a disrupter than play-maker. I believe this is due to his lack of experience playing American football and raw technique. As the premier defensive tackles come off the board fast in this draft, I expect some team will reach out and pluck him in the first round; especially a team that plays a 34 defense because I am confident he can be a dominant nose tackle or defensive end in that scheme.
5. Robert Woods, WR, USC, Junior (6003, 201 and 4.51): With all the receiver talk centering around the rare physical talents of Cordarrelle Patterson and Tavon Austin and the disappointing Pro Day workout of Keenan Allen, Woods has continued to be dramatically under-rated. At 6’0, with a solid build and running excellent routes, Woods has the deceptive quickness and burst to easily get separation from the best cornerbacks. Not only a sharp route runner, but also a smart receiver who is easily able to identify holes in zone/off coverage, sits down in them and works back to the QB when needed, Woods consistently makes tough catches in key situations. Although 40 times seem to carry an inordinate amount of influence when receivers are broken down, Woods is a much more polished receiver than Patterson and Austin. It is clear that Woods will at worst be selected in the second round; I believe he should be selected by one of the bottom five or eight teams looking for a “plug and play” receiver.
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also please let this happen AND it not be the eagles who trade up to get him:
[h1]NFL Draft 2013: Buzz Building For EJ Manuel as a Top 20 Selection[/h1]
Apr 24th, 2013 at 2:20 pmby Josh SanchezNFL Draft
Jan 26, 2013; Mobile, AL, USA; Senior Bowl south squad quarterback E.J. Manuel of Florida State (3) against the Senior Bowl north squad during the second half of the Senior Bowl at Ladd-Peebles Stadium. The South squad defeated the North squad 21-16. Mandatory Credit: Derick E. Hingle-USA TODAY Sports
The buzz has been building surrounding former Florida State quarterback E.J. Manuel, so it should come as no surprise that there are reports he could be selected in the top twenty of the 2013 NFL Draft, which kicks off Thursday night at Radio City Music Hall.
We have been hearing the first-round buzz for quite some time and this doesn’t appear to be a smokescreen.
Quarterbacks often are selected higher than anticipated because of the value of the position. There is a very good chance Manuel will be the third signal-caller selected and he may even be the second after Ryan Nassib.
With his mobility and strong arm, Manuel has the natural talent and upside that evaluators look for in a future franchise quarterback. If guys like Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder and Jake Locker can go early in the draft, there is no reason to believe Manuel doesn’t have the makings of a top twenty pick.
The truth is that none of us really know where the quarterbacks will fall this year, but it’s beginning to look more and more like you can lock Manuel in to the first-round.
[h1]NFL Draft 2013: Buzz Building For EJ Manuel as a Top 20 Selection[/h1]
Apr 24th, 2013 at 2:20 pmby Josh SanchezNFL Draft
Jan 26, 2013; Mobile, AL, USA; Senior Bowl south squad quarterback E.J. Manuel of Florida State (3) against the Senior Bowl north squad during the second half of the Senior Bowl at Ladd-Peebles Stadium. The South squad defeated the North squad 21-16. Mandatory Credit: Derick E. Hingle-USA TODAY Sports
The buzz has been building surrounding former Florida State quarterback E.J. Manuel, so it should come as no surprise that there are reports he could be selected in the top twenty of the 2013 NFL Draft, which kicks off Thursday night at Radio City Music Hall.
We have been hearing the first-round buzz for quite some time and this doesn’t appear to be a smokescreen.
Quarterbacks often are selected higher than anticipated because of the value of the position. There is a very good chance Manuel will be the third signal-caller selected and he may even be the second after Ryan Nassib.
With his mobility and strong arm, Manuel has the natural talent and upside that evaluators look for in a future franchise quarterback. If guys like Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder and Jake Locker can go early in the draft, there is no reason to believe Manuel doesn’t have the makings of a top twenty pick.
The truth is that none of us really know where the quarterbacks will fall this year, but it’s beginning to look more and more like you can lock Manuel in to the first-round.
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Jay Glazer, Mike Mayock, Ian Rapoport, Jason La Canfora, and Albert Breer are all now predicting #Chiefs take Eric Fisher at No. 1.
"WalterFootball.com has heard that the Raiders plan on drafting one of the elite left tackles if they fall to their pick at No. 3 overall. Oakland feels Texas A&M's Luke Joeckel or Central Michigan's Eric Fisher are too good to pass up. Drafting one of them would give them bookend offensive tackles with Jared Veldheer and shore up their offensive line." - Charlie Campbell
Charley Casserly was adamant that the Raiders don't want Sharrif Floyd, citing multiple sources.
"Word from few people today is Oakland Raiders may have a trade in place to move down a few slots if either Joeckel/Fisher lands in their lap." - Tony Pauline. I'd guess it's either the Lions or Dolphins.
"Two independent NFL insiders told The Inquirer that the new Birds coach has zeroed in on Johnson even if top-rated tackles Luke Joeckel or Eric Fisher are on the board." - Jeff McLane, Philadelphia Inquirer
"LJ, Jordan my top-2 at #4" - Adam Caplan
"WalterFootball.com has heard that the Raiders plan on drafting one of the elite left tackles if they fall to their pick at No. 3 overall. Oakland feels Texas A&M's Luke Joeckel or Central Michigan's Eric Fisher are too good to pass up. Drafting one of them would give them bookend offensive tackles with Jared Veldheer and shore up their offensive line." - Charlie Campbell
Charley Casserly was adamant that the Raiders don't want Sharrif Floyd, citing multiple sources.
"Word from few people today is Oakland Raiders may have a trade in place to move down a few slots if either Joeckel/Fisher lands in their lap." - Tony Pauline. I'd guess it's either the Lions or Dolphins.
"Two independent NFL insiders told The Inquirer that the new Birds coach has zeroed in on Johnson even if top-rated tackles Luke Joeckel or Eric Fisher are on the board." - Jeff McLane, Philadelphia Inquirer
"LJ, Jordan my top-2 at #4" - Adam Caplan
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Bills leak that Tavon Austin is #1 on their board
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EJ Manuel to the Browns?
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when?!
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That's funny...They just said on NFLN that they'd rather take Nassib at #8 then to risk losing out on him.
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they really trying to get a team to trade up that high to draft him?
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According to ESPN's John Clayton, the Vikings "would like to find a way" to take Notre Dame ILB Manti Te'o in first round.
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The #Vikings and #Bears love Manti Te'o. If Minnesota wants to grab him, they'll need to jump up over Chicago. That's what they plan to do
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The #Vikings and #Bears love Manti Te'o. If Minnesota wants to grab him, they'll need to jump up over Chicago. That's what they plan to do
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^ as told a couple of the fellahs in my office the other day when they emailed that pic around:
to be fair, they really only have to list 2 names.. and wait to see IF kc takes either of them..
unless they trade out of 2.. and at that point they better start figuring something out
who knows, maybe they want to keep things simple and not have a ton of dudes throwing out opinions when it comes time for them to make their picks..
could be worse, could be like dallas where the owner (not the GM and/or scouts) is the one sitting their making the decisions (like picking a certain runningback from his alma mater when they clearly had no need for a RB)
to be fair, they really only have to list 2 names.. and wait to see IF kc takes either of them..
unless they trade out of 2.. and at that point they better start figuring something out
who knows, maybe they want to keep things simple and not have a ton of dudes throwing out opinions when it comes time for them to make their picks..
could be worse, could be like dallas where the owner (not the GM and/or scouts) is the one sitting their making the decisions (like picking a certain runningback from his alma mater when they clearly had no need for a RB)
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Anyone have a list of which players will be at the draft?
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He is going to get eaten alive by blockers in the NFL. He already was getting ate up half the time in college by guys who aren't even going to see the NFL. He isn't Von Miller. He isn't Wagner. There's guys you can find as OLB's in the 2nd and 3rd round that will be better players than him.
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Giants are not taking Teo , if they go Linebacker I see Ogletree before him.
, if they go Linebacker I see Ogletree before him.
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i would love for it to happen..Giants are not taking Teo, if they go Linebacker I see Ogletree before him.
but i would rather have the following inside linebackers over him (some based on where i would be able to get them in the draft):
arthur brown
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A possible No. 1 pick at the start of 2012, Matt Barkley's draft stock has been a rollercoaster since.
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Stuff we're hearing as my final mock gets put to bed and the first round of the NFL Draft mercifully approaches:
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• Most everybody in the league now thinks the top three offensive tackle prospects -- Eric Fisher, Luke Joeckel and Lane Johnson -- will go in the top five, meaning trades by No. 6 Cleveland, No. 11 San Diego and No. 12 are much less likely.
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• The 49ers and Falcons are among the teams that want to move up in the right scenario (I have both doing so in this, my last mock attempt), while the two-pick teams like the Jets, Rams and Vikings are open to moving down with one of their selections (see below).
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• There's going to be a run on cornerbacks starting somewhere in the mid-to-late 20s, and it'll extend well into the second round.
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• The Browns have been focused this offseason on getting tougher as a team across the board, but in the final analysis, I have them going for a franchise quarterback in Geno Smith in the first round. Maybe a small part of the reasoning is taking Smith will be a useful distraction from the fact owner Jimmy Haslam's other business is under investigation.
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• Prospects like Georgia linebacker Alec Ogletree and Cal receiver Keenan Allen are falling, while playmakers like West Virginia's Tavon Austin and Notre Dame tight end Tyler Eifert are rising.
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• When the smoke clears late Thursday night, quarterbacks Geno Smith and Matt Barkley will definitely be in the first round, with a decent likelihood of Ryan Nassib and maybe even E.J. Manuel joining them. (Editor's Note: Watch Don Banks and Andrew Perloff discuss the hottest draft topics on our Thursday draft show live on SI.com at 3 p.m.)
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Lions NEED to draft one of the 3 OT's. If they don't trade up and none of them are available at 5, that is going to be a nightmare 