2014 NFL Draft Thread

[Chester McFloppy]

Seattle knows how to draft though.

Well damn.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Seattle knows how to draft though.

I agree and that's how you build a championship team. Getting cute and waiting because a draft is deep is how you get fired. If you think a player is good you take him. Sometimes it's Bruce Ervin sometimes it's Bobby Wagner

 

[stillin729]

Don't draft for need; draft the best available player

 

[CP1708]

QB, LT, DE, CB are the 4 biggest areas of need, every draft.

Premium positions. Premium money. Premium need.

Of course there are exceptions to every rule, but those 4 are the keys in today's NFL.

 

[IATT]

Don't draft for need; draft the best available player

 

[IATT]

QB, LT, DE, CB are the 4 biggest areas of need, every draft.

Premium positions. Premium money. Premium need.

Of course there are exceptions to every rule, but those 4 are the keys in today's NFL.

gotta add pass rushing OLBs.. and pass rushing DTs (4-3 3 techs) who can hold up agaisnt the run (when those guys come around)

but i dont even know if i would include CBs in that category anymore.. with the way rules have changed and the league not allowing CBs to be as physical as they once were, i dont know if we'll see shut down guys anymore

outside of certain guys.. and considering how many of them were 1st round guys.. i would say your better of looking for a safety who can cover and has range in today's NFL

 

[CP1708]

It's not about shut down guys.

It's who can throw the football. QB.
Who can protect the guy throwing the football. LT
Who can get to the opposing QB. DE
And who can stop the QB on the back end. CB


The rules have obviously screwed Corners, but they are without a doubt a premium need. You can't really just get by with 2 meh corners, unless you have outstanding pass rush. (NYG)

 

[IATT]

You wouldn't include DBs?

Who just won the Super Bowl?

read what i said, CBs.. 

earl thomas was the only 1st round pick in that secondary.. and he's exactly the type of safety that i'm referring too

 

[IATT]

sherman was drafted in the 5th

 

[SneakerProSr.]

When is the last time a 1st round pick at corner won a Super Bowl

OutSide of Sherman when has an elite corner won a Super Bowl?

 

[stillin729]

When is the last time a 1st round pick at corner won a Super Bowl

Aaron Ross won two Superbowls

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Prince Amukamara? Jimmy Smith? Aaron Ross?

 

[IATT]

^ guys who actually played major roles?

jimmy smith with the ravens, but he was a back-up.. ditto prince amukamara.. same malcolm jenkins

dont get me wrong.. if you can get someone like patrick paterson, then by all means, take him top 10.. but he fits into my view on WRs.. big, fast and can play..

plus when peterson loses a step, you can just throw him back there at safety.. hell, pats have already done that with mccourty

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Prince Amukamara? Jimmy Smith? Aaron Ross?

Are those dudes not the definition of meh

 

[stillin729]

Are those dudes not the definition of meh

What exactly are you arguing? You asked when a CB taken in the 1st won a SB and a bunch have been named

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Are those dudes not the definition of meh

What exactly are you arguing? You asked when a CB taken in the 1st won a SB and a bunch have been named

CP just said you can't win a super bowl with meh corners.

I just wanted to point out.

 

[herbshuttles15]

Are those dudes not the definition of meh

What exactly are you arguing? You asked when a CB taken in the 1st won a SB and a bunch have been named

CP just said you can't win a super bowl with meh corners.

I just wanted to point out.

Giants, Saints, Ravens all won with meh corners

 

[CP1708]

Are those dudes not the definition of meh

What exactly are you arguing? You asked when a CB taken in the 1st won a SB and a bunch have been named

CP just said you can't win a super bowl with meh corners.

I just wanted to point out.

I'm sorry, when did I say that?

You can't really just get by with 2 meh corners, unless you have outstanding pass rush. (NYG)

THAT, is what was said.

 

[IATT]

1st and very early 2nd round DBs last 4 years:

2010 DBs: eric berry (s), joe haden, earl thomas (s), kareem jackson, devin mccourty (s), kyle wilson and patrick robinson.. chris cook (34th overall)

2011 DBs: patrick peterson, prince amukamara, jimmy smith,  ras-i dowling (taken 33rd) and aaron williams (34th)

2012 DBs: mo claiborne, mark barron (s), stephon gilmore, dre kirkpatrick and harrison smith (s)

2013 DBs: dee milliner, dj hayden, kenny vacarro (s), eric reid (s), desmond trufant, xavier rhodes, matt elam (s), johnathen cyprien (s 33rd) and darius slay (36th)

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Are those dudes not the definition of meh

What exactly are you arguing? You asked when a CB taken in the 1st won a SB and a bunch have been named

CP just said you can't win a super bowl with meh corners.

I just wanted to point out.

I'm sorry, when did I say that?

You can't really just get by with 2 meh corners, unless you have outstanding pass rush. (NYG)

THAT, is what was said.

Shout out to the Saints

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Only players in taking top 10:

QB
OL
DL
S


That's it.

This is how bad teams stay bad.

 

[CP1708]

During a recent Twitter binge I was asked a great question, and it’s one that directly relates to the NFL draft: If I were building an NFL team from scratch, what three positions would I make my top priorities? The question speaks to the much broader issue of team building, a complex and multifaceted subject that demands continuous discussion by all NFL front offices.

As the NFL game has transitioned over the years, there have been four positions universally viewed as priority positions — quarterback and left tackle on offense, and pass rusher (defensive end or outside linebacker depending on the scheme) and cornerback on defense. That’s been the gospel for quite a while now

Which of those would be dropped from the list if there were only three priority positions? Of course, the most important position is quarterback. That’s inarguable. What about left tackle? Think about this: the past four Super Bowl-winning left tackles were David Diehl (a former fifth-round pick at guard), Chad Clifton (second round), Jermon Bushrod (fourth round) and Max Starks (third round). The quarterbacks on those championship teams were Eli Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees and Ben Roethlisberger, each likely on anyone’s short list of the top quarterbacks in the NFL.

We can debate how well those tackles played in those given seasons, but there’s a larger context. Is there a correlation between the quarterback position and the left tackle position? Can the argument be made that left tackle decreases in relative importance the better the quarterback, and is therefore less of a priority? Last season, Marshall Newhouse, a fifth-round pick in 2010, started 10 games at left tackle for the Packers. He struggled individually much of the season. It had little impact on Rodgers’ efficiency, or the overall performance of Green Bay’s offense.

The elite quarterbacks camouflage and compensate for offensive line deficiencies in many ways. They do it before the snap of the ball with their understanding of defensive pressure schemes and the pass protection adjustments that must then result. They do it after the snap with their decision making, their advanced sense of timing and anticipation, and their ability to move in the pocket to minimize and negate the pass rush.

It’s often the case that the quarterback takes care of the impact pass rusher with his advanced abilities both pre- and post-snap. Of course, nothing is 100 percent, so there’s always going to be games and specific situations in which poor left tackle play derails an offense, no matter how good the quarterback. We’re dealing in tendency and probability, trying to assign quantitative value to a position that has long been regarded as a premium NFL position, and thus been drafted accordingly. The bottom line question is this: If you have an elite quarterback, does left tackle diminish in value?

In a passing league, it clearly makes sense defensively to do two things: rush the quarterback and cover receivers. One reason a big-time pass rusher can be so important, a reason rarely discussed, is the impact he has on the eligible receiver count. Football is a numbers game. There are five eligible receivers on every play. If the offense is forced to keep one or two of those receivers in to pass block to account for a big-time pass rusher, then the defense gains a significant advantage. They now have more defenders to cover fewer receivers. The numbers favor the defense.

Corner is becoming an even more critical position in the new-wave NFL, with the increased athleticism and formation versatility of tight ends. Again, it comes back to numbers. If you have a corner who can cover man-to-man without help from another defender, whether it be a safety, a linebacker or a slot corner, then you have more players available to defend the four other eligible receivers. And that corner does not have to match up to the most dangerous wide receiver. If you’re playing the Patriots for instance, you can put your best cover corner on Deion Branch and then have more bodies to play Wes Welker, Rob Gronkowski and/or Aaron Hernandez.
I always call pure man coverage on one wide receiver the “Deion” coverage, in honor of Deion Sanders, who played man-to-man with no help as well as any corner I have ever seen on film. The Jets utilize the same coverage scheme with Darrelle Revis. I saw the Cardinals do it later in the season with Patrick Peterson. It’s a tremendous advantage for the defense in terms of coverage flexibility, and it really underlines the vital importance of the cornerback position in today’s NFL.

Let’s look at the Vikings in the upcoming draft. They have Christian Ponder at quarterback. Ponder, entering his second season, is not at the stage in his development in which he can compensate for left tackle, or overall offensive line deficiencies. On defense, they need corners, especially in a division that features Rodgers, Matthew Stafford and Jay Cutler. Assuming they have both players graded appropriately, the decision should be between LT Matt Kalil or CB Morris Claiborne. It’s a fascinating question that speaks directly to the prioritizing of positions in the NFL.

Of course, no draft pick is made in a vacuum. There are many variables that come into play. Yet, all teams have core philosophies and beliefs that shape their personnel decisions. The Vikings might well give us their answer to the question posed at the beginning of this column.

 

[CP1708]

Are those dudes not the definition of meh

What exactly are you arguing? You asked when a CB taken in the 1st won a SB and a bunch have been named

CP just said you can't win a super bowl with meh corners.

I just wanted to point out.

I'm sorry, when did I say that?

You can't really just get by with 2 meh corners, unless you have outstanding pass rush. (NYG)

THAT, is what was said.

Shout out to the Saints

Shout out to the game winning touchdown scored by the cornerback of the Saints.

 

[DeadsetAce]

Shout out to the game winning touchdown scored by the cornerback of the Saints.

BOOM

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Shout out to the game winning touchdown scored by the cornerback of the Saints.

BOOM

Wait so because a mediocre corner caught a pass thrown directly to him it proves your point?

Yall better than that.

Shout out to Larry Brown