2017 NFL Draft Thread - **Please do not post spoilers during the Draft**

[IATT]

Zeke..


Ohio state gotta a pretty good IlB, Cb and S coming out in this draft.. then you got Curtis samuel on the other side of the ball


Then Michigan got some players coming out I assume..

 

[k3llz]

Zeke..


Ohio state gotta a pretty good IlB, Cb and S coming out in this draft.. then you got Curtis samuel on the other side of the ball

I didn't say all sir...just saying Chargers needs to start drafting better athletic guys and I was just saying I prefer battle tested and NFL players from elite conferences

 

[IATT]

My 1a is Corey Davis (with my 1b being cook).. so I don't share your views

And last year got into a huge argument with CP on the very simple basis that all I care about is talent AND talent can come from anywhere

 

[k3llz]

As a Chargers fan I want Mike Williams if hes available at the 7 spot or Jamal Adams, Rueben Foster either those in the first round would be fine with me

 

[gunna get it]

Mike Williams issue is speed tho.

IJS

It's late so I'm really just here to humor myself (nor is he SEC [emoji]128584[/emoji] )

 

[k3llz]

He would be a upgrade over Inman but I feel you

 

[IATT]

John Ross probably is the fastest of the potential first round guys, if speed is your biggest concern

 

[CP1708]

Talent can be found anywhere, no doubt, but he isn't all that crazy for wanting talent from a conference known for churning out NFL quality and damn near keeping up with the rest of the country combined.

Not an exact science of course, I certainly wouldn't advocate drafting only SEC players for an entire draft, but some of the logic works.

5 star type recruit goes to Bama. Elite coach. Faces other elite talent in practice everyday, faces other elite talent each week, does this for 3-4 years.

Could Wentz make that same claim? Not even close.

Does that mean every SEC QB is better than Wentz? No, course not. But might they be a lil more prepared, early? Maybe, I dunno.

I would moreso stretch his belief to say "football factories". Like SEC + USC, Ohio St, Texas, Florida St, Miami etc. Probably half the NFL comes from those ~15 schools. Maybe more.

You'll absolutely find gems from Akron, or Pittsburgh, or Wyoming and what not, but safer bets would be placed on the known entities. Key is, your own coaching. If they can truly coach, then you really can draft anyone from anywhere. If coaching is limited, you really gotta play it safer, imo.

 

[k3llz]

Talent can be found anywhere, no doubt, but he isn't all that crazy for wanting talent from a conference known for churning out NFL quality and damn near keeping up with the rest of the country combined.

Not an exact science of course, I certainly wouldn't advocate drafting only SEC players for an entire draft, but some of the logic works.

5 star type recruit goes to Bama. Elite coach. Faces other elite talent in practice everyday, faces other elite talent each week, does this for 3-4 years.

Could Wentz make that same claim? Not even close.

Does that mean every SEC QB is better than Wentz? No, course not. But might they be a lil more prepared, early? Maybe, I dunno.

I would moreso stretch his belief to say "football factories". Like SEC + USC, Ohio St, Texas, Florida St, Miami etc. Probably half the NFL comes from those ~15 schools. Maybe more.

You'll absolutely find gems from Akron, or Pittsburgh, or Wyoming and what not, but safer bets would be placed on the known entities. Key is, your own coaching. If they can truly coach, then you really can draft anyone from anywhere. If coaching is limited, you really gotta play it safer, imo.

That's all I was ever saying...I said SEC but also said Pac-10 and Big 12 and some from ACC it depends on where and who u choose from... I just would look from proven areas ...I'm not drafting first round guys from Fresno State and schools like that... That's all I'm saying...Chargers need to stop doing that but in the next rounds I'd search for gems everywhere I'm talking straight first round

 

[IATT]

There is no sure thing.. and school/pedigree doesn't guarantee anything

See USC WRs or QBs.. or recent bama DBs

You're looking for skills and the skills exemplified in situations that will occur once those individuals are in the league

It isn't as simple as a guy running sub 4.3 or being able to bench 225 40 times

But then again, some guys just can't cut it when everyone else is the best of best.. or they are put in situations not conducive to their skill set

Hence my comments above about Humphrey.. dude is going have allen go top 5 and then 2 of their LBs go in the first

The pressure bama's putting on opposing offenses with that front 7, he's not put in there getting tested like other guys or put in similar situations where he's asked to simply do more

 

[k3llz]

There is no sure thing.. and school/pedigree doesn't guarantee anything

See USC WRs or QBs.. or recent bama DBs

You're looking for skills and the skills exemplified in situations that will occur once those individuals are in the league

It isn't as simple as a guy running sub 4.3 or being able to bench 225 40 times

But then again, some guys just can't cut it when everyone else is the best of best.. or they are put in situations not conducive to their skill set

Hence my comments above about Humphrey.. dude is going have allen go top 5 and then 2 of their LBs go in the first

The pressure bama's putting on opposing offenses with that front 7, he's not putmthere getting tested like other guys or put in similar situations where he's asked to simply do more

I feel you, but I want some proven guys and guys I heard about for my first round picks and I'm not drafting no WR or DB if they don't run under a 4.5

 

[IATT]

Except a lot of guys have succeeded outside of just that specific number..

All mike Williams has to do is be sub 4.6 and he's going top 15, more than likely top 10 and 1st WR overall.. but that's a dude that's going be at least 6'2 220 and carries the weight he does

You're just using the combine to confirm things you're seeing on the field





Like if john Ross runs a slow 40 and doesn't test well in certain drills, you gotta figure out why

 

[IATT]

And just my personal views, but speed is exceptionally more important at CB since you gotta be able to recover.. but it ain't the end all be all.. you just gotta be decent enough or that restricts you to certain schemes and positions

 

[k3llz]

Except a lot of guys have succeeded outside of just that specific number..

All mike Williams has to do is be sub 4.6 and he's going top 15, more than likely top 10 and 1st WR overall.. but that's a dude that's going be at least 6'2 220 and carries the weight he does

You're just using the combine to confirm things you're seeing on the field





Like if john Ross runs a slow 40 and doesn't test well in certain drills, you gotta figure out why

if Mike Williams runs under a 4.5 I'd take him top 5...if he runs 4.6 he's top 10-12 anything under he's anywhere from mid to bottom of the 1st to me....remember I'm talking about my team specifically

 

[IATT]

dez was 4.52.. fitz 4.48.. Aj green 4.47.. jordy 4.51.. nuk 4.57..

He doesn't have to be under 4.5.. but would sure be nice at that height and weight and what he does in games

You just want the test to confirm what you're seeing on film.. and guys just to be around their listed weight and height.. and the medicals are huge

 

[k3llz]

and i said i wouldn't taking no WR  or DBs in the in the top 5 if they ran over a 4.5, i'd still take them from 10-15 if 4.5. or close, but 4.6 or more maybe bottom....i need explosion if im going early...like Julio

 

[IATT]

I'm typically against taking a RB in the 1st round and especially with how deep the position is in this draft..

But cook is that special





Plus with how the best player's in this draft fit with the eagles need and draft position.. cause the most important thing is accumulating talent

There is a scenario where DE would be the BPA for us at 14/15

 

[k3llz]

Cook is good and he has that speed, he a go but if Fournette runs under an 4.5 i'm taking him...but both would be great picks

 

[IATT]

Hopefully for the eagles sake, a decent amount of teams before us have fournette and Williams as the number 1 rated players at their positions

 

[IATT]

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[Bobby Layne]

 Chase Goodbread ‏@ChaseGoodbread  5h5 hours ago
UA LB Ryan Anderson said @WKUFootball LT Forrest Lamp was the best LT he faced all year.

Chase Goodbread ‏@ChaseGoodbread  3h3 hours ago
Also asked Alabama DE Jonathan Allen where @WKUFootball LT Forrest Lamp ranked for him among tackles he faced this year. "He's one or two."

 

[651akathepaul]

The Vikings, of all teams, desperately need a first round pick for an offensive lineman.

This sucks.

Hopefully Teddy is now bionic Bridgewater...Only way they're getting over a hump.

 

[Bobby Layne]

The Vikings, of all teams, desperately need a first round pick for an offensive lineman.

This sucks.

Hopefully Teddy is now bionic Bridgewater...Only way they're getting over a hump.

1st RD types aren't all that appealing this year TBH.  The strength of the OL class is probably going to be in the mid RD's. 

 

[The Glove]

hawks need a right tackle but not the draft to find one late 1st.. i want solomon thomas if he's there when we pick

 

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