2019 NFL Discussion Thread: StaXX talking to himself

[651akathepaul]

Raiders have remained competitive despite the overhaul of their team and I think Gruden can still coach. I want to see what he can do with all these draft picks before I speculate on how long he'll actually last.

 

[651akathepaul]

I always thought coaches salaries were guaranteed

I think so...And they don't count against the cap, so it's really meaningless.

 

[njavier03]

Raiders have remained competitive despite the overhaul of their team and I think Gruden can still coach. I want to see what he can do with all these draft picks before I speculate on how long he'll actually last.

yeah, the team definitely hasn't quit on him. they're basically signing people off the street and being somewhat competitive. they just lack talent. hell, i thought they might've pulled it off against KC last week.

 

[junglejim]

Raiders have remained competitive despite the overhaul of their team and I think Gruden can still coach. I want to see what he can do with all these draft picks before I speculate on how long he'll actually last.

I agree with this, but he will have significantly shortened his coaching tenure if he whiffs on a bunch of these picks.

 

[njavier03]

I think so...And they don't count against the cap, so it's really meaningless.

no, it does not count against the cap. that's why all those people saying we can Gruden and not Mack are idiots.

 

[651akathepaul]

I agree with this, but he will have significantly shortened his coaching tenure if he whiffs on a bunch of these picks.

I think the biggest question is his ability to properly gauge talent, so that's definitely what it comes down to. Like you said, if he misses on even a few of his early round picks...it could be disastrous for him.

 

[junglejim]

I think the biggest question is his ability to properly gauge talent, so that's definitely what it comes down to. Like you said, if he misses on even a few of his early round picks...it could be disastrous for him.

It doesn't help how bad the optics of the trade are right now either. Cooper is leading the NFL in receiving since he was traded and Mack has the bears defense as probably the best unit in the NFL. That's a terrible look for Gruden and will always be a stain on what he does even if he hits on some of these picks. Whatever picks he hits on are going to be compared to the production mack and cooper are giving their new teams.

That being said, I thought he robbed the cowboys for cooper when the trade went down but now its doesnt seem like such an easy analysis. He is going to get a late first rounder now which have historically been 50/50 busts vs starters.

He really put himself in a ****** where it may be lose lose regardless of the picks

 

[raider5]

Sad to see Reggie McKenzie go. I said this in the Raiders thread, but where we were before McKenzie I wouldn’t wish on anyone in here...except DeadsetAce & @rolaholic

 

[elpablo21]

651 v Buddha tomorrow LFG

I'll be in the rafters

MLB trolling...

minus whale have added

too

 

[DeadsetAce]

Sad to see Reggie McKenzie go. I said this in the Raiders thread, but where we were before McKenzie I wouldn’t wish on anyone in here...except DeadsetAce & @rolaholic

 

[651akathepaul]

It doesn't help how bad the optics of the trade are right now either. Cooper is leading the NFL in receiving since he was traded and Mack has the bears defense as probably the best unit in the NFL. That's a terrible look for Gruden and will always be a stain on what he does even if he hits on some of these picks. Whatever picks he hits on are going to be compared to the production mack and cooper are giving their new teams.

That being said, I thought he robbed the cowboys for cooper when the trade went down but now its doesnt seem like such an easy analysis. He is going to get a late first rounder now which have historically been 50/50 busts vs starters.

He really put himself in a ****ty where it may be lose lose regardless of the picks

I think the only way he overcomes those trades is by winning. Doesn't have to necessarily be a Super Bowl, but they need to contend and start making the playoffs for sure.

 

[IATT]

minus whale have added

too

I wasnt even trying spell Jeff's name off the top of my head

 

[njavier03]

It doesn't help how bad the optics of the trade are right now either. Cooper is leading the NFL in receiving since he was traded and Mack has the bears defense as probably the best unit in the NFL. That's a terrible look for Gruden and will always be a stain on what he does even if he hits on some of these picks. Whatever picks he hits on are going to be compared to the production mack and cooper are giving their new teams.

That being said, I thought he robbed the cowboys for cooper when the trade went down but now its doesnt seem like such an easy analysis. He is going to get a late first rounder now which have historically been 50/50 busts vs starters.

He really put himself in a ****ty where it may be lose lose regardless of the picks

i still think the Raiders won the Cooper trade. they weren't going to resign him for the money he was asking for, so they probably would've let him walk in the off-season. that's why they were fielding offers, and why everyone thought it was a stupid trade. not to mention he didn't want to be in Oakland anyway.

i think the Mack situation could've turned out differently. however, if its true that he wouldn't settle for anything less than what he got with Chicago, Oakland couldn't afford to keep him. paying 50 mil + for two players is tough considering the whole roster needed an overhaul. i would've loved to have kept him, but that money can improve many positions.

Chicago and LA can pay the likes of Mack and Donald, bc they're not paying a QB right now. Both Jared and Mitch are on their rookie deals. neither are paying big time receivers either.

 

[casper90403]

Rams are paying Cook $16M per.

But I know what you mean.

 

[junglejim]

Rams are paying Cook $16M per.

But I know what you mean.

Bears are paying Robinson $16M a year and Burton like 10M a year too, but agreed on the rookie QB deals.

 

[njavier03]

delete

 

[nick.]

One played the best defense in the league and the other played the Bills

The Bills entered this Sunday’s game ranked 3rd in the league in overall defense DVOA.

Entering Sunday, the Bills were allowing the fourth-lowest opposing quarterback rating in the league at home (76.3) since the start of 2017. Only five quarterbacks had posted even just an 80.0+ rating against them in Orchard Park, tied for the lowest total allowed in the league.

Just four of those five were able to put up an 80.0+ rating in Western New York and win the game - Tom Brady (2x), Drew Brees, and Philip Rivers.

The Bills have historically done a very good job against young quarterbacks while playing at home. Over their history, they’ve faced a total of 35 quarterbacks aged 23 or younger. Only five of them completed at least two-thirds (66.7%) of their passes, and only three did that while also winning the game: Dan Marino (1984), Drew Bledsoe (1994), and Sam Darnold.

https://bit.ly/2B9XK1G

thank u, next

 

[definition of dopeness]

 

[junglejim]

https://bit.ly/2B9XK1G

thank u, next

You will find one team notably at 3 and the other at 20. How did you put it with Julio and TDs? If only games were decided by DVOA and QB rating then the bills would be great.

 

[zack54attack]

mmmm, so the Rams could be facing the #3 seeded Bears in LA.

BRING IT. Would rather play the Bears than Cowboys.

I mean, if you want to lose again in LA then fine...

 

[carver]

Darnold with a coaching staff that ain't dog **** will be just fine. Jete front office can't **** this up

 

[macbk]

Darnold with a coaching staff that ain't dog **** will be just fine. Jete front office can't **** this up

Invest in the offense from coaching to the draft is how you have a successful off-season.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

Gruden really tearing apart that franchise. Feel bad man.

 

[DeadsetAce]

we really hyping this 90's football performance? the bar is awfully low in NY:

 

[johnnyredstorm]

Kid has no talent around him and a pathetic coach. I’ll reserve judgment after a year with real coaching and options around him.