2019 NFL Draft Thread

[checks grossman]

Because he's a better athlete? Bosa's about a year and a half younger, and we have to remember we were robbed of what probably would have been his best season, while we got to see Allen's.

There's a lot of versatile things you can do with Allen's coverage ability in the right scheme, but I still don't know if that's more valuable than what Bosa's able to do on the edge.

"In the right scheme" is a huge caveat with Allen as well. Bosa fits just about anywhere, while it's going to take a DC with some creativity to get the most out of Allen. It's why I'm hoping he falls to TB.

Bigger and better athlete whose only getting stronger in the weight room, versatility and production. I'm not giving a pass for Bosa being injured. Allen can no doubt play in any scheme, imo. Whether or not he is worth a top 5 pick to a 43 team that'll stick him at SAM is another question - let him develop some his hands/pass rush moves and his repertoire is complete

 

[junglejim]

If a white QB played in that system, handled that pressure with winning in that conference, put up those numbers and was a pocket QB, he’d be number one on half the league’s boards.

I’ve seen on ESPN multiple times people say he’s falling and they don’t know why. It’s cause he’s black. A QB coming off the year he had would have teams dying to trade up

It would not surprise me if he has a better rookie season than 3 of the 4 QBs drafted in the first round last season.

 

[checks grossman]

https://theathletic.com/933883/2019...rd-comparing-draft-forecasters-vs-evaluators/

anyone with an athletic sub?

 

[Hahahaha]

It would not surprise me if he has a better rookie season than 3 of the 4 QBs drafted in the first round last season.

All jokes and trolling aside. I like Haskins more than everyone from this year and last year except Baker and Kyler.

 

[junglejim]

All jokes and trolling aside. I like Haskins more than everyone from this year and last year except Baker and Kyler.

I'm with you there. He showed me more than the other three picked after baker. Too bad the giants arent going to take him you **** sucking punk *** timbs wearing rooting for the wrong teams ****

 

[macbk]

https://theathletic.com/933883/2019...rd-comparing-draft-forecasters-vs-evaluators/

anyone with an athletic sub?

Spoiler: 2019 Consensus Big Board: Comparing draft forecasters vs. evaluators

There are hundreds of opinions every year on draft prospects. Through all the noise, it can be difficult to get a sense of where prospects may end up and how well we can expect them to do.

In order to distill all of the information, it’s useful to rely on the wisdom of the crowds and aggregate opinions on draft prospects, something that I’ve found has helped predict the draft. Research suggests that using collective opinions, particularly in tasks involving rank ordering, can improve our estimates.

For the past six years, I’ve gathered draft prospect rankings from a variety of experts in order to get an understanding of how players in the draft are typically ranked. The consensus big board project has generated a number of useful insights that stretch beyond just a raw ranking of players in the draft.

We’ve gathered from 45 big boards this year from draft analysts, including third-party scouting organizations like The Draft Network, big media groups like ESPN and NFL Network, experts like The Athletic’s Dane Brugler and independent blogs, like NFL Rough Draft.

We’ve split these analysts into two groups: “forecasters” who have access to NFL personnel departments and information on character, off-field concerns and injuries, and “evaluators,” who rely more on film analysis and advanced statistics to evaluate draft prospects.

Last year, the forecaster boards were exceptional at predicting draft position, particularly when they disagreed with evaluator boards. In nine of the top 10 disagreements between their boards and the evaluator boards, forecasters better predicted draft position. In 2017, forecasters nailed seven of those 10 disagreements and eight of 10 the year before.

But that doesn’t mean the forecasters are better at assessing players. In 2016, they were higher on Christian Hackenberg, Le’Raven Clark and T.J. Green. They aren’t necessarily worse, either — evaluators were higher on Jeremy Cash, Noah Spence and Landon Turner. Of those six players, only Clark took significant NFL snaps — and didn’t perform very well in them.

We shouldn’t just dismiss players who cause disagreements between the two groups, either. Over the years, forecasters were higher on Carson Wentz, Shaquill Griffin, Darius Leonard and Leighton Vander Esch, while evaluators were higher on Jaylon Smith, Quenton Nelson and Joe Haeg.

We’ll go over the predictive power that different approaches provide later this week, but for now we’ll look over the biggest disagreements between the two groups of draft analysts, then list the top 300 players by consensus.

For “biggest disagreement,” we’re not looking at the largest difference in rank; the difference between the fifth pick and 15th pick is fairly large, while the difference between the 140th and 150th is fairly small to NFL teams. Instead, we’ll look at the biggest difference in value, as defined by a version of the Jimmy Johnson trade chart, with some modifications to take into account the insights generated by Chase Stuart as he tried to more accurately assess the true value of each pick in the draft.

Some positional notes on the below:

—Some defensive linemen are marked as DL1T, DL3T and DL5T, which comes from Drafttek’s player designations. The number refers to the gap in which these players traditionally lined up, with one-technique defenders, nose tackles, evaluated differently than three-technique defenders who are generally the smaller, pass-rushing defensive tackle on the line.

—“WRF” refers to outside wide receivers, or as Drafttek puts it, “feature wide receivers.” “WRS” refers to slot receivers. The modern NFL tells us these players are not necessarily less valuable, especially given the impact that Michael Thomas and Adam Thielen have had for their teams. This doesn’t necessarily refer to how the players were used for their college teams — N’Keal Harry was used in the slot while Andy Isabella was used outside — but how the majority of evaluators see their NFL use.

Keep scrolling to the right to see the full chart.

Consensus Rank Player School Position Forecaster Rank Evaluator Rank
140 Kendall Sheffield Ohio State CB 100 170
10 Brian Burns Florida State EDGE 18 5
119 Ryan Finley NC State QB 83 124
14 Rashan Gary Michigan DL5T 7 16
123 Jarrett Stidham Auburn QB 99 136
37 Hakeem Butler Iowa State WRF 65 35
70 Jaylon Ferguson Louisiana Tech EDGE 51 77
52 Parris Campbell Ohio State WRS 33 58
69 L.J. Collier TCU DL5T 46 73
116 Jamel Dean Auburn CB 88 120
58 Daniel Jones Duke QB 36 60
17 Noah Fant Iowa TE 28 15
78 Tytus Howard Alabama State OT 62 87
34 Drew Lock Missouri QB 23 37
30 Dalton Risner Kansas State OG 45 25
43 Johnathan Abram Mississippi State S 32 47
109 Trysten Hill UCF DL1T 89 118

Here, there are a few small schoolers, with one Group of Five prospect and one FCS prospect — Tytus Howard from Alabama State. Over the past several years, we’ve seen players from Division II schools like Humboldt State, FCS schools like Eastern Kentucky, Youngstown State and North Dakota State as well as Group of Five schools like South Carolina State and Wyoming produce some of the largest differences between the two approaches to draft evaluation. The most common disagreements tend to center around three types of players: small schoolers, quarterbacks with tools but inefficient college production and players whose athleticism and production don’t match.

Past quarterbacks in this group have included Josh Allen, Sam Darnold and Carson Wentz — who together averaged 1.5 fewer adjusted yards per attempt than their first-round peers in their final college season.

Past athletic players who didn’t produce in college include Da’Ron Payne, T.J. Green and Le’Raven Clark, all of whom drew disagreements among forecasters and evaluators, the same way Rashan Gary seems to this year. At the other end of the spectrum are productive players who didn’t test well, like Jaylon Ferguson, and in past years Harrison Phillips, Zach Banner and Jamaal Williams.

Neither group shows a bias toward athleticism or production. Forecasters like Gary and Ferguson this year even though these players fall on opposite ends of the spectrum. Evaluators preferred Brian Burns and Noah Fant, both of whom were reasonably productive but were much more notable for their incredible athletic testing.

Evaluators also liked Hakeem Butler more despite his incomplete testing profile and the fact that he never struck many as particularly athletic (but he had over 1,300 receiving yards in an offense that had about 3,000 passing yards to dish out).

Now that we’ve taken a look at some of the biggest differences in opinions between evaluators and forecasters, we can look at the consensus board below, which contains the top 300 players.

Some more notes on language to keep in mind, in addition to the above notes on DL and WR classifications:

—There is no distinction between 3-4 outside linebackers and 4-3 defensive ends, with all of those players marked as “EDGE” for edge defender.

—In the past, five-technique defensive linemen were two-gap defenders and often referred to as 3-4 defensive ends or “base ends.” Now, with nickel defenses becoming more common, the five-technique designation on the consensus board refers to players who might face a transition from defensive end to defensive tackle or vice versa – or might even see some utilization as a 3-4 end, like in Pittsburgh or San Francisco.

—”RBF” and “RBC” also come from Drafttek, and those distinguish between running backs that are meant to be feature backs — players like Todd Gurley — and those that are meant to be change-of-pace, pass-catching backs, like James White.

The board has the overall rank, the forecaster rank, the evaluator rank, and “tier” listing to indicate which grouping of players they fell into. The tiers are organized roughly according to how often they swap places with other players in their tier among the different boards — players in the same tier tend to swap places a lot, while players in different tiers do not. For example, Quinnen Williams and Nick Bosa were, for the most part, consensus #1 or #2 players with rare appearances outside of that. Devin White was consistently ranked above players that appeared on the board ranked sixth through 11th, and didn’t find himself below that group of players very often at all.

Keep scrolling to the right to see the full chart.

Rank Fore Eval Player School Position Pos Rk Tier
1 2 1 Quinnen Williams Alabama DL3T 1 1
2 1 2 Nick Bosa Ohio State EDGE 1 1
3 3 4 Josh Allen Kentucky EDGE 2 2
4 5 3 Ed Oliver Houston DL3T 2 2
5 4 6 Devin White LSU LB 1 3
6 9 7 Kyler Murray Oklahoma QB 1 4
7 15 8 Jonah Williams Alabama OT 1 4
8 8 9 T.J. Hockenson Iowa TE 1 4
9 18 5 Brian Burns Florida State EDGE 3 4
10 6 11 Montez Sweat Mississippi State EDGE 4 4
11 10 10 Jawaan Taylor Florida OT 2 4
12 12 12 Dwayne Haskins Ohio State QB 2 5
13 13 13 Devin Bush Michigan LB 2 5
14 17 14 D.K. Metcalf Mississippi WRF 1 5
15 7 17 Rashan Gary Michigan DL5T 1 5
16 21 16 Jeffery Simmons Mississippi State DL3T 3 5
17 28 15 Noah Fant Iowa TE 2 5
18 11 22 Christian Wilkins Clemson DL3T 4 5
19 16 18 Clelin Ferrell Clemson EDGE 5 5
20 14 21 Andre Dillard Washington State OT 3 5
21 19 19 Greedy Williams LSU CB 1 5
22 26 20 Byron Murphy Washington CB 2 5
23 27 23 Cody Ford Oklahoma OG 1 6
24 25 24 Garrett Bradbury NC State OC 1 6
25 20 27 Josh Jacobs Alabama RBF 1 6
26 29 29 DeAndre Baker Georgia CB 3 6
27 30 28 A.J. Brown Mississippi WRF 2 6
28 24 31 Marquise Brown Oklahoma WRS 1 6
29 31 26 Jerry Tillery Notre Dame DL3T 5 6
30 45 25 Dalton Risner Kansas State OG 2 7
31 22 34 Dexter Lawrence Clemson DL1T 1 7
32 37 32 N’Keal Harry Arizona State WRF 3 7
33 23 37 Drew Lock Missouri QB 3 7
34 43 30 Nasir Adderley Delaware S 1 7
35 47 33 Chauncey Gardner-Johnson Florida S 2 7
36 41 36 Chris Lindstrom Boston College OG 3 7
37 35 39 Irv Smith Jr. Alabama TE 3 7
38 39 40 Deebo Samuel South Carolina WRF 4 7
39 65 35 Hakeem Butler Iowa State WRF 5 7
40 40 38 Taylor Rapp Washington S 3 7
41 38 41 Erik McCoy Texas A&M OC 2 7
42 44 42 Juan Thornhill Virginia S 4 7
43 32 47 Johnathan Abram Mississippi State S 5 8
44 34 46 Rock Ya-Sin Temple CB 4 8
45 56 44 Darnell Savage Maryland S 6 8
46 48 49 Dre’Mont Jones Ohio State DL3T 6 8
47 61 45 Deionte Thompson Alabama S 7 8
48 73 43 Kelvin Harmon NC State WRF 6 8
49 33 58 Parris Campbell Ohio State WRS 2 8
50 68 51 Chase Winovich Michigan EDGE 6 8
51 53 50 Justin Layne Michigan State CB 5 8
52 67 48 Jachai Polite Florida EDGE 7 8
53 58 52 Zach Allen Boston College DL5T 2 8
54 50 54 Julian Love Notre Dame CB 6 8
55 52 53 Mack Wilson Alabama LB 3 8
56 49 57 Greg Little Mississippi OT 4 8
57 59 56 Elgton Jenkins Mississippi State OC 3 8
58 36 61 Daniel Jones Duke QB 4 9
59 42 60 Kaleb McGary Washington OT 5 9
60 63 59 JJ Arcega-Whiteside Stanford WRF 7 9
61 80 55 Amani Oruwariye Penn State CB 7 9
62 60 63 David Montgomery Iowa State RBF 2 9
63 55 62 Trayvon Mullen Clemson CB 8 9
64 57 65 Miles Sanders Penn State RBF 3 9
65 64 66 Damien Harris Alabama RBF 4 9
66 79 64 Darrell Henderson Memphis RBF 5 9
67 54 69 Sean Bunting Central Michigan CB 9 9
68 46 72 L.J. Collier TCU DL5T 3 9
69 74 68 Amani Hooker Iowa S 8 9
70 51 73 Jaylon Ferguson Louisiana Tech EDGE 8 9
71 66 70 Riley Ridley Georgia WRF 8 9
72 116 67 Yodny Cajuste West Virginia OT 6 9
73 71 79 JoeJuan Williams Vanderbilt CB 10 9
74 84 71 Andy Isabella Massachusetts WRS 3 9
75 82 76 Oshane Ximines Old Dominion EDGE 9 9
76 62 82 Tytus Howard Alabama State OT 7 9
77 86 77 Jace Sternberger Texas A&M TE 4 9
78 69 80 D’Andre Walker Georgia EDGE 10 9
79 104 74 Michael Deiter Wisconsin OG 4 10
80 112 75 Charles Omenihu Texas DL5T 4 10
81 96 78 Terry McLaurin Ohio State WRF 9 10
82 72 83 Anthony Nelson Iowa DL5T 5 10
83 97 81 Khalen Saunders Western Illinois DL1T 2 10
84 70 86 Lonnie Johnson Kentucky CB 11 10
85 78 84 Will Grier West Virginia QB 5 10
86 77 91 Germaine Pratt NC State LB 4 10
87 85 90 Dawson Knox Mississippi TE 5 10
88 75 95 Connor McGovern Penn State OG 5 10
89 93 89 Emanuel Hall Missouri WRF 10 10
90 81 88 Miles Boykin Notre Dame WRF 11 10
91 92 85 Gerald Willis III Miami (FL) DL3T 7 10
92 76 92 David Long Michigan CB 12 10
93 106 87 Devin Singletary Florida Atlantic RBF 6 10
94 107 93 Christian Miller Alabama EDGE 11 11
95 129 94 Blake Cashman Minnesota LB 5 11
96 115 96 Dru Samia Oklahoma OG 6 11
97 98 97 Mecole Hardman Georgia WRS 4 11
98 101 100 Vosean Joseph Florida LB 6 11
99 94 101 Justice Hill Oklahoma State RBF 7 11
100 127 98 David Edwards Wisconsin OT 8 11
101 90 103 Max Scharping Northern Illinois OT 9 11
102 111 99 Ben Banogu TCU EDGE 12 11
103 119 102 Joe Jackson Miami (FL) DL5T 6 11
104 114 118 Chuma Edoga USC OT 10 11
105 91 109 Nate Davis Charlotte OG 7 11
106 89 112 Trysten Hill UCF DL1T 3 11
107 109 110 Kahale Warring San Diego State TE 6 11
108 103 105 Renell Wren Arizona State DL3T 8 11
109 87 104 Josh Oliver San Jose State TE 7 11
110 102 106 Isaiah Johnson (CB) Houston CB 13 11
111 95 111 Michael Jordan Ohio State OG 8 11
112 105 107 Bobby Okereke Stanford LB 7 11
113 88 119 Jamel Dean Auburn CB 14 11
114 148 108 Rodney Anderson Oklahoma RBF 8 11
115 125 114 Bobby Evans Oklahoma OG 9 11
116 117 117 Trayveon Williams Texas A&M RBF 9 11
117 123 113 Kaden Smith Stanford TE 8 11
118 128 116 Tyree Jackson Buffalo QB 6 11
119 108 115 Isaiah Buggs Alabama DL5T 7 11
120 83 121 Ryan Finley NC State QB 7 11
121 99 127 Jarrett Stidham Auburn QB 8 11
122 118 125 Maxx Crosby Eastern Michigan EDGE 13 12
123 113 129 Austin Bryant Clemson EDGE 14 12
124 157 120 Ben Powers Oklahoma OG 10 12
125 110 128 Te’Von Coney Notre Dame LB 8 12
126 131 122 Jahlani Tavai Hawaii LB 9 12
127 143 123 Lamont Gaillard Georgia OC 4 12
128 155 126 Foster Moreau LSU TE 9 12
129 167 124 Daylon Mack Texas A&M DL1T 4 12
130 126 135 Jalen Hurd Baylor WRF 12 12
131 146 130 Bryce Love Stanford RBF 10 12
132 130 133 Marquise Blair Utah S 9 12
133 135 164 Kingsley Keke Texas A&M DL5T 8 12
134 173 131 Jaquan Johnson Miami (FL) S 10 12
135 120 138 Drue Tranquill Notre Dame LB 10 12
136 121 141 Mike Edwards Kentucky S 11 12
137 163 136 Anthony Johnson (WR) Buffalo WRF 13 12
138 151 145 David Long Jr. West Virginia LB 11 12
139 145 137 Terrill Hanks New Mexico State LB 12 12
140 100 173 Kendall Sheffield Ohio State CB 15 12
141 165 134 David Sills V West Virginia WRF 14 12
142 133 157 Will Harris Boston College S 12 12
143 161 139 Beau Benzschawel Wisconsin OG 11 12
144 236 132 Stanley Morgan Jr. Nebraska WRF 15 13
145 149 151 Drew Sample Washington TE 10 13
146 134 142 Justin Hollins Oregon EDGE 15 13
147 147 152 Kris Boyd Texas CB 16 13
148 211 140 Daniel Wise Kansas DL3T 9 13
149 174 149 Ross Pierschbacher Alabama OC 5 13
150 153 154 Isaac Nauta Georgia TE 11 13
151 152 165 Dennis Daley South Carolina OT 11 13
152 184 144 Benny Snell Jr. Kentucky RBF 11 13
153 207 155 Michael Jackson Miami (FL) CB 17 13
154 198 146 Dax Raymond Utah State TE 12 13
155 202 147 Myles Gaskin Washington RBF 12 13
156 181 156 Saivion Smith Alabama CB 18 13
157 233 148 Dillon Mitchell Oregon WRF 16 13
158 197 150 Caleb Wilson UCLA TE 13 13
159 191 158 T.J. Edwards Wisconsin LB 13 13
160 172 163 Jalen Jelks Oregon EDGE 16 13
161 124 192 Darius Slayton Auburn WRF 17 13
162 204 161 Jimmy Moreland James Madison CB 19 13
163 122 185 Marvell Tell III USC S 13 13
164 239 153 DaMarkus Lodge Mississippi WRF 18 13
165 225 143 Devine Ozigbo Nebraska RBF 13 13
166 188 170 Preston Williams Colorado State WRF 19 13
167 160 166 Ryquell Armstead Temple FB 1 13
168 199 168 Ben Burr-Kirven Washington LB 14 13
169 144 187 John Cominsky Charleston DL5T 9 13
170 209 160 Hunter Renfrow Clemson WRS 5 13
171 287 159 Brett Rypien Boise State QB 9 13
172 212 169 Gary Jennings West Virginia WRF 20 13
173 283 162 Antoine Wesley Texas Tech WRF 21 13
174 168 172 KeeSean Johnson Fresno State WRF 22 13
175 132 179 Corey Ballentine Washburn CB 20 13
176 170 175 Mike Weber Ohio State RBF 14 13
177 203 167 Greg Gaines Washington DL1T 5 13
178 178 190 Sheldrick Redwine Miami (FL) S 14 13
179 175 174 Cameron Smith USC LB 15 13
180 230 171 Jakobi Meyers NC State WRF 23 13
181 237 176 Elijah Holyfield Georgia RBF 15 13
182 136 188 Dexter Williams Notre Dame RBF 16 13
183 186 177 Sione Takitaki BYU LB 16 13
184 154 211 Isaiah Prince Ohio State OT 12 13
185 201 178 Penny Hart Georgia State WRS 6 13
186 179 183 Alize Mack Notre Dame TE 14 13
187 208 180 Oli Udoh Elon OT 13 13
188 185 184 Keelan Doss UC-Davis WRF 24 13
189 159 196 Shareef Miller Penn State EDGE 17 13
190 245 182 Gardner Minshew Washington State QB 10 13
191 223 193 Karan Higdon Michigan RBF 17 13
192 221 186 Hamp Cheevers Boston College CB 21 13
193 220 191 Terry Beckner Jr. Missouri DL3T 10 13
194 215 189 Malik Gant Marshall S 15 13
195 156 200 Jordan Brailford Oklahoma State EDGE 18 13
196 303 181 Joe Giles-Harris Duke LB 17 13
197 180 201 Mitch Hyatt Clemson OT 14 13
198 216 208 Carl Granderson Wyoming EDGE 19 13
199 217 220 Ugo Amadi Oregon S 16 13
200 240 194 Mark Fields Clemson CB 22 13
201 150 219 Clayton Thorson Northwestern QB 11 13
202 227 195 Chase Hansen Utah LB 18 13
203 169 199 Iman Lewis-Marshall USC CB 23 13
204 224 204 Trevon Wesco West Virginia TE 15 13
205 261 202 Travis Fulgham Old Dominion WRF 25 13
206 253 205 Lil’Jordan Humphrey Texas WRF 26 13
207 182 216 Travis Homer Miami (FL) RBF 18 13
208 192 207 Dontavius Russell Auburn DL1T 6 13
209 205 206 Porter Gustin USC EDGE 20 13
210 164 209 Jordan Brown South Dakota State CB 24 13
211 183 227 Tony Pollard Memphis RBF 19 13
212 206 225 Hjalte Froholdt Arkansas OG 12 13
213 222 212 Tommy Sweeney Boston College TE 16 13
214 318 197 Anthony Ratliff-Williams North Carolina WRF 27 13
215 189 213 Demarcus Christmas Florida State DL5T 10 13
216 273 214 Terry Godwin Georgia WRS 7 13
217 352 203 Jordan Ta’amu Mississippi QB 12 13
218 266 215 Wyatt Ray Boston College EDGE 21 13
219 235 237 Jazz Ferguson Northwestern State WRF 28 13
220 328 198 Greg Dortch Wake Forest WRS 8 13
221 325 210 Nate Herbig Stanford OG 13 13
222 251 218 Sutton Smith Northern Illinois LB 19 13
223 285 222 Ryan Bates Penn State OG 14 13
224 196 238 Alexander Mattison Boise State RBF 20 13
225 218 232 Evan Worthington Colorado S 17 13
226 277 217 Tyler Roemer San Diego State OT 15 13
227 229 229 Phil Haynes Wake Forest OG 15 13
228 193 224 Armon Watts Arkansas DL5T 11 13
229 234 223 Gary Johnson Texas LB 20 13
230 232 231 Jonathan Ledbetter Georgia DL5T 12 13
231 214 254 Albert Huggins Clemson DL1T 7 13
232 190 246 Diontae Johnson Toledo WRS 9 13
233 271 226 Lukas Denis Boston College S 18 13
234 241 233 Byron Cowart Maryland DL3T 11 13
235 171 249 Khari Willis Michigan State S 19 13
236 322 221 Donald Parham Stetson TE 17 13
237 254 234 Jordan Scarlett Florida RBF 21 13
238 309 228 Derrick Baity Jr. Kentucky CB 25 13
239 158 313 Cody Barton Utah LB 21 14
240 264 239 Alex Barnes Kansas State RBF 22 14
241 256 240 Zach Gentry Michigan TE 18 14
242 295 236 Dakota Allen Texas Tech LB 22 14
243 278 242 Blace Brown Troy CB 26 14
244 244 241 Tre Lamar Clemson LB 23 14
245 282 230 James Williams Washington State RBC 1 14
246 243 260 Jamal Peters Mississippi State CB 27 14
247 279 244 Easton Stick North Dakota State QB 13 14
248 298 245 Michael Dogbe Temple DL3T 12 14
249 276 251 Tyre Brady Marshall WRF 29 14
250 187 261 Tyrel Dodson Texas A&M LB 24 14
251 162 265 Trey Pipkins Sioux Falls OT 16 14
252 349 235 Darwin Thompson Utah State RBC 2 14
253 316 247 Martez Ivey Florida OT 17 14
254 248 248 Emeke Egbule Houston LB 25 14
255 358 243 Alex Bars Notre Dame OG 16 14
256 268 253 Montre Hartage Northwestern CB 28 14
257 246 266 Shaq Calhoun Mississippi State OG 17 14
258 200 267 Jalin Moore Appalachian State RBF 23 14
259 259 259 Cody Thompson Toledo WRF 30 14
260 242 289 Mitch Wishnowsky Utah P 1 14
261 238 263 Jordan Miller Washington CB 29 14
262 219 252 Ed Alexander LSU DL1T 8 14
263 320 255 Mike Bell Fresno State S 20 14
264 228 275 Ryan Connelly Wisconsin LB 26 14
265 250 276 Saquan Hampton Rutgers S 21 14
266 415 250 Bruce Anderson North Dakota State RBF 24 14
267 296 270 Xavier Crawford Central Michigan CB 30 14
268 252 271 Malik Carney North Carolina EDGE 22 14
269 274 273 LJ Scott Michigan State RBF 25 14
270 263 264 Darius West Kentucky S 22 14
271 257 278 Blessuan Austin Rutgers CB 31 14
272 255 279 Yosuah Nijman Virginia Tech OT 18 14
273 363 262 Deshaun Davis Auburn LB 27 14
274 272 274 Dre Greenlaw Arkansas LB 28 14
275 288 280 Alec Ingold Wisconsin FB 2 14
276 345 256 Josiah Tauaefa UTSA LB 29 14
277 434 257 Tim Harris Virginia CB 32 14
278 226 323 Drew Forbes SE Missouri State OG 18 15
279 294 272 Cortez Broughton Cincinnati DL3T 13 15
280 350 281 Gerri Green Mississippi State EDGE 23 15
281 247 286 Tyler Jones NC State OG 19 15
282 275 284 Jamal Davis II Akron EDGE 24 15
283 284 292 Javon Patterson Mississippi OG 20 15
284 267 319 Ty Summers TCU LB 30 15
285 321 315 Trevon Tate Memphis OG 21 15
286 262 298 Chris Slayton Syracuse DL1T 9 15
287 270 285 Andrew Wingard Wyoming S 23 15
288 249 299 Derwin Gray Maryland OT 19 15
289 337 277 Ricky Walker Virginia Tech DL3T 14 15
290 286 282 Landis Durham Texas A&M EDGE 25 15
291 265 300 Kevin Givens Penn State DL3T 15 15
292 398 268 D’Cota Dixon Wisconsin S 24 15
293 412 269 Khalil Hodge Buffalo LB 31 15
294 338 293 Cole Tracy LSU PK 1 15
295 315 291 Andrew Van Ginkel Wisconsin LB 32 15
296 306 303 Jaylen Smith Louisville WRF 31 15
297 313 295 Keenen Brown Texas State TE 19 15
298 486 311 Terronne Prescod NC State OG 22 15
299 260 346 Derrek Thomas Baylor CB 33 15
300 297 294 Zedrick Woods Mississippi S 25 15

Doesn't copy & paste all that great because of the charts.

 

[checks grossman]

macbk Appreciate it

 

[IATT]

 

[aNYone]

Something in me wants us to trade back and take Oliver

 

[651akathepaul]

Favorite sleepers from you guys? For the purpose of this exercise lets keep it to guys who are most likely going to be picked outside the top 3 rounds.

No particular order

NIU EDGE Sutton Smith (poor mans Haason Reddick)
Baylor WR/RB Jalen Hurd (I'd move him back to RB personally, could be a real weapon for a team that likes to use empty.)
NDSU QB Easton Stick
UW ILB Ben Burr-Kirven
WVU IWR Gary Jennings
Wiscy ILB TJ Edwards
App St RB Jalin Moore
WSU RB James Williams
EMU EDGE Maxx Crosby
Memphis RB/IWR Tony Pollard

Burr-Kirven and Edwards are of that "football player" mold...The Mason Foster and Blake Martinez types. They should be tackling machines wherever they go. I also like Easton Stick.

Other than that, I will add:

Buffalo ILB Khalil Hodge
Arkansas LB Dre Greenlaw
USC DB Iman Marshall
Wake Forest WR Greg Dortch
Kennesaw State WR Justin Sumpter
Missouri RB Damarea Crockett
Pittsburgh RB Darrin Hall

 

[nako xl]

Burr-Kirven and Edwards are of that "football player" mold...The Mason Foster and Blake Martinez types. They should be tackling machines wherever they go. I also like Easton Stick.

Other than that, I will add:

Buffalo ILB Khalil Hodge
Arkansas LB Dre Greenlaw
USC DB Iman Marshall
Wake Forest WR Greg Dortch
Kennesaw State WR Justin Sumpter
Missouri RB Damarea Crockett
Pittsburgh RB Darrin Hall

Forgot Cam Smith

 

[651akathepaul]

He'll be good when he's on the field, but won't be able to stay on it. Just a hunch.

 

[3god]

Haskins will slip in to the 18-25 range.

 

[Bobby Layne]

Burr-Kirven and Edwards are of that "football player" mold...The Mason Foster and Blake Martinez types. They should be tackling machines wherever they go. I also like Easton Stick.

Other than that, I will add:

Buffalo ILB Khalil Hodge
Arkansas LB Dre Greenlaw
USC DB Iman Marshall
Wake Forest WR Greg Dortch
Kennesaw State WR Justin Sumpter
Missouri RB Damarea Crockett
Pittsburgh RB Darrin Hall

I agree with that assessment on Edwards, but Burr-Kirven's actually a really good athlete. People have seen to come around on Cashman which is why I left him off my list, but BBK is still getting slept on despite being a plus athlete for the position is his own right. Idk if he's really 230 but as long as he can finish seasons around 220-215 he should be fine.

 

[651akathepaul]

He's pretty much Kiko Alonso, but shorter.

 

[IATT]

Hahahaha

@raider5

 

[checks grossman]

Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer keeps hearing that the Carolina Panthers and Houston Texans are considering trade ups to draft an offensive tackle.
Breer says they are aiming for the "top three tackles" which includes Jawaan Taylor, Jonah Williams, and Andre Dillard. It's going to be a lot easier for the Panthers to move up from 16th overall, but the Texans are pretty desperate with their current roster. To secure one of these three tackles, the Panthers and Texans will likely need to move ahead of the Green Bay Packers at 12th overall and the potential partners include the Detroit Lions (9th) and Denver Broncos (10th).

 

[Hahahaha]

I don't think Vegas drafts Haskins. They gotta QB and he was good with a good OL. Gruden wants a DE bad so that would be crazy.


IF he goes before 6, it would be easier for me. I could just lie to myself and pretend we would have grabbed him at 6 so now we gotta move on.

 

[aNYone]

I don't think Vegas drafts Haskins. They gotta QB and he was good with a good OL. Gruden wants a DE bad so that would be crazy.


IF he goes before 6, it would be easier for me. I could just lie to myself and pretend we would have grabbed him at 6 so now we gotta move on.

 

[Hahahaha]

Kid is trash. If we draft him, Gettleman is out in three years and that QB is gone

 

[IATT]

three years

 

[アミーゴ]

Yeah is Haskins goes before 6 I’m completely fine with it.

 

[Bobby Layne]

Daniel Jones is still a trash pick even at 17.

Blake Bortles 2.0

 

[IATT]

 

[IATT]

Daniel Jones is still a trash pick even at 17.

Blake Bortles 2.0

Does that make drew lock Blaine gabbert 2.0?