2020-21 NBA Offseason thread: Officially a wrap

[BIG LEEMELONE]

Difference of opinion then.

I deem LeBron to be pretty successful and I personally couldn't care less about championships that predate me being alive. This is a wash to me honestly.

Popularity. Not quantifiable but I think LeBron is more popular than the Lakers.

Value. I think Bron's value is harder to amass being that he's a person as opposed to a corporate entity but again opinion based.

Its not worth going back and forth over but I'm rolling with Bron over anything else basketball related in terms of importance.

It's not opinion bro . Doesn't matter what you personally think is a wash. The Lakers are objectively and quantifiably one of the winningest, most popular and most valuable franchises in all of sports. It's not just a 'feeling' like you said with Bron. If you can't explain exactly how or what makes Bron bigger than that, how can you even claim it?

 

[pums]

Social Media and branding makes athletes bigger than teams now.

Jordan was bigger than any team.
LeBron is bigger than the lakers
Cristiano is bigger than Real Madrid
It goes on and on

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Agian them not me. I was very vocal about the fact that I didn't value these players that highly. I was when they were Lakers still am now with the exception of Ingram, but wasn't and still am not on the "Next KD wagon" Everyone else is bad.

Difference of opinion then.

I deem LeBron to be pretty successful and I personally couldn't care less about championships that predate me being alive. This is a wash to me honestly.

Popularity. Not quantifiable but I think LeBron is more popular than the Lakers.

Value. I think Bron's value is harder to amass being that he's a person as opposed to a corporate entity but again opinion based.

Its not worth going back and forth over but I'm rolling with Bron over anything else basketball related in terms of importance.

That's why we gotta take our individual opinions out of it sometimes. Just like we was just talking about paying certain players a certain amount, fact is somebody that they were worth it.

 

[MVP]

What basis are you using for that? The Chips? Or the Money?

Cause other teams have more chips than the Lakers do and if its the money...

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On two separate instances, LeBron has propped up the economy of an entire city.

That says more about the story state of Cleveland than it does Bron. He ain't bigger than the Lakers brand. Miami went right on chugging without him and so will the Lakers after he's done. We've not won a chip every decade except the 90s based on one guy no matter how great. There's a mutual benefit and attraction, there's a reason why half of the top 10 players to ever touch the rock CHOSE to continue to come play here specifically. Bron ain't make the Lakers in the way MJ made the Bulls he just continued the lineage of all time greats to don the armor.

 

[finessence]

Fire mockup.

Again, these freelance designers be wayyyyyy better than that s*** in Beaverton

 

[antidope]

It's not opinion bro . Doesn't matter what you personally think is a wash. The Lakers are objectively and quantifiably one of the winningest, most popular and most valuable franchises in all of sports. It's not just a 'feeling' like you said with Bron. If you can't explain exactly how or what makes Bron bigger than that, how can you even claim it?

I was just responding to the points you made man. But I appreciate the back and forth of it all...definitely don't think it was stupidity but we're going in circles now and it's pointless.

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

I was just responding to the points you made man. But I appreciate the back and forth of it all...definitely don't think it was stupidity but we're going in circles now and it's pointless.

It's all good. Like I said I'm not even really agreeing or disagreeing. I just legit don't understand what that even means and not sure anybody who claims it really does either

 

[rolaholic]

Nash just going along for the ride

 

[MVP]

There are certain teams that have no real successful history, accomplishments, or all time greats that one could argue that a single player is bigger than a franchise (ie Cleveland or the Clippers). But across the sports world (Lakers, Yankees, used to be Cowboys) there's just an overwhelming amount of all of that that it really is just foolish to suggest that. Especially when you got Magic and Kareem right in his realm and they aren't even THAT.

 

[dman14]

Nash just going along for the ride

reminds me of larry bird when he was with pacers

 

[addict4sneakers]

 

[antidope]

reminds me of larry bird when he was with pacers

Doc Rivers made a career off being a "Leader of men/Players coach"

 

[yobyellav]

Thread is in midseason form and we aint eem in training camp yet. Nice work boys

Midseason form also happens to be shambles.....

Not really a quantifiable thing but you just feel it. The same way we're having the same conversation about the brand of the Lakers, it can be had for Bron. I just think Bron is the single most important thing in basketball.


Totally fair and IDK everything about their lives, but the line I would have to cross for me to come out sideways against my mother is WAY WAY out there. But that's me applying my personal beliefs and circumstances.

See where this is coming from, but I wouldn't agree. He's that central figure inside the game, especially when he's winning, but not so much if he's losing. No MVP last year and didn't make the playoffs. No one cared. When the Warriors were killing teams during that run, they were the talk of the league, deservedly so. He's big, but isn't bigger than the league.

 

[MVP]

Yanni gotta chill. Making it too obvious

 

[antidope]

Midseason form also happens to be shambles.....


See where this is coming from, but I wouldn't agree. He's that central figure inside the game, especially when he's winning, but not so much if he's losing. No MVP last year and didn't make the playoffs. No one cared. When the Warriors were killing teams during that run, they were the talk of the league, deservedly so. He's big, but isn't bigger than the league.

Those finals were billed as GSW vs Bron though.The media was putting one guy against a team. But I feel you.

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

There are certain teams that have no real successful history, accomplishments, or all time greats that one could argue that a single player is bigger than a franchise (ie Cleveland or the Clippers). But across the sports world (Lakers, Yankees, used to be Cowboys) there's just an overwhelming amount of all of that that it really is just foolish to suggest that. Especially when you got Magic and Kareem right in his realm and they aren't even THAT.

Yea it's like saying Bron is bigger than all the legends, championships, fan base and entire history and future combined. If that's even what it's supposed to mean

 

[yobyellav]

My appearances in the office are going to be way less frequent if the NBA games are coming on midday again. I planned on going in tomorrow, but saw that the Steelers/Ravens have an afternoon kickoff.

 

[bostoiah]

 

[JD617]

Giannis realized he goofed with the crown stunt last year.

 

[antidope]

Yea it's like saying Bron is bigger than all the legends, championships, fan base and entire history and future combined. If that's even what it's supposed to mean

In that context the player would never win. Players come and go and the franchise will in theory exist in perpetuity and outlast the player. I don't value any team that way personally, the same way the Bulls constantly harken back to 20 year old championships is irrelevant to me, talking about stuff that's super old (arbitrary metric I know) doesn't matter. My comment was solely about the 2010s, and it got taken into this deep history dive thing

 

[B Sox]

Where is lifelong Laker fan D StaXX to make sense of this argument being had?

 

[aepps20]

Social Media and branding makes athletes bigger than teams now.

Jordan was bigger than any team.
LeBron is bigger than the lakers
Cristiano is bigger than Real Madrid
It goes on and on

I agree 100%. I will also add that OUR PRESIDENT ELECT DONALD TRUMP is bigger than freedom, bigger than democracy and ooooooooooo yeahhhhhhhh bigger than ELECTION RESULTS.

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

In that context the player would never win. Players come and go and the franchise will in theory exist in perpetuity and outlast the player. I don't value any team that way personally, the same way the Bulls constantly harken back to 20 year old championships is irrelevant to me, talking about stuff that's super old (arbitrary metric I know) doesn't matter. My comment was solely about the 2010s, and it got taken into this deep history dive thing

The bulls are different because they owe everything to one player. If you wanna say Bron wears the pants and pulls the strings I can't really argue with that. But to say he's 'bigger' than the brand..I don't think there was really any reason for him to sign up if that was truly the case. The Laker brand was still thriving despite all the losing in the 2010s

 

[trynafeelmink]

The Lakers have literally had a championship or finals every decade since the 70's and somehow the only reason they're seeing success is because of Lebron.

Yet i still haven't gotten a clear answer as to why he chose to go to the Lakers instead of anywhere else . According to 90% of the non Laker fans here, The Clippers had a better roster, future, ownership, GM etc etc

yet somehow the failing brand attracted him more , Shaq, Kareem, Wilt, Magic, Worthy, Kobe & countless more is enough to show a really long pattern of superstars being interested in the Lakers

 

[antidope]

He was. Bron is big on legacy talk and standing amongst the greats, and in the context of history, Laker chips have . unique shine to them. I am not going to argue that.

But lets not sit here and act like the Lakers weren't the worst team of the 2010s

The Laker brand was in the downslide in the 2010s is what I said though. I could never argue against the history of it since inception.

I disagree, the 2010s were terrible for them

My comment was solely about the 2010s, and it got taken into this deep history dive thing

Its like you didn't read any of what I said.

The historical aspect of the Lakers brand cannot be argued against and obviously matters. I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE 2010s