2023 MLB Thread; Say Hey, Charlie Hustle: Rest In Power, Willie. RIP, Pete.

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This Machado talk really has me like ...
 
If I’m the Yankees, and you can get him. I call his bluff on the 3B/SS Stuff.

If they can hold on to Torres, Florial, Sheffield. And traded 3-4 other prospects it’s really not that bad if they trade for Manny, he plays 3B and then leaves.
 
Silly decision:

https://www.baseballamerica.com/fan...akes-choice-shohei-otani/#zZ7EiZqz5oL5FaQr.97

LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. — After a month of near-daily meetings with content managers and software engineers, Yahoo! has reached a decision on how it will handle the arrival of Shohei Ohtani.

There will be two of him.

If you’re in a Yahoo! league and you want to accrue Ohtani’s hitting and pitching stats, you’re going to have to draft him twice, once as a pitcher and then again as a hitter. There were a number of potential solutions that Yahoo! discussed but ultimately, Yahoo! content manager Guy Lake said, this decision combined the best of both worlds when it came to functionality and playability.

“We knew this was coming,” Lake said, “so we had to come to a position about it.”

The new rule will also cover any further two-way players, like Rays prospect Brendan McKay, who make it to the major leagues.

Before deciding on the two-Ohtani solution, Yahoo! batted around a number of ideas about how to handle the sport’s most intriguing star in the past several decades. One solution involved giving Ohtani eligibility as both a hitter and a pitcher, with the ability to toggle back and forth. The catch there was that Ohtani would never be able to accumulate stats on both sides of the ball simultaneously.

If a user had Ohtani slotted in as a pitcher that day and he hit two home runs, it wouldn’t matter. The only stats relevant that day for that user would be whatever Ohtani did on the mound.

That particular option was popular among the gathered decision-makers.

“There were a handful of exceptions in a room full of 20 people talking about this who were against this from a user-experience standpoint,” Lake said, “but I would say 15 or 16 people in the room were in favor of it, as was I. Why? Because it’s freaking cool. It’s cool to be able to take your starting pitcher one day, and then—maybe not the next day, but the following day—you can slot him into your utility spot, or maybe outfield. That’s just an exceptionally cool thing.”


Another option, which gained little traction, was to simply leave him as a pitcher or a hitter and discount his other stats entirely. This answer, of course, sucks all of the intrigue out of Ohtani and neutralizes what could wind up being a significant amount of his value from a fantasy and real-life standpoint.

That would have made the lives of Yahoo!’s engineers much easier, but it would have been a decidedly uninspired way to handle things.

“You simply pick a position, assign it to him and then take the stats that he accumulates at that position and you’re done,” Lake said. “But we thought that would be a huge cop-out for our users and a cop-out for us as players. That was immediately thrown out. It wasn’t an option.”

Then there was the choice they arrived at: The two-Ohtani solution, which has also been discussed by ESPN as its answer to the Ohtani quandary. And even though it’s the solution Yahoo! settled upon, they also realize that it’s not by any means perfect. It does offer a relatively easy solution for the company’s engineers—they simply clone Ohtani’s player ID and then change his position.

It also helps Ohtani owners avoid the decision of how to deploy him on a daily basis. If they use him as a starting pitcher and he gets bombed but hits a pair of home runs in the same game, then those owners are going to feel rightly disappointed that they only got his pitching stats for that day.

“That’s the best gloss I can put on it,” Lake said. “I would love it if we could say ‘No problem’ (and encompass all of Ohtani’s value into one draftable player). If it were easy, there would be one. Let’s be clear about that: It’s not easy, but we’ve come up with what we think is the best from a set of imperfect choices.”
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nickmaz96 said:


Orioles are scared :lol:
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So, here's the issue...I don't think Manny is going to sign an extension anywhere other than NY. This is why teams are hesitant to give up top prospects for essentially a one year rental. It's understandable.

That being said, the best trade partner for the O's IS the Yankees. If the end game results with Manny signing there in 2019, then just trade him now to the Bronx. Simple as that.

The ineptitude to Dan Duquette and the rest of the O's front office is hall of fame worthy. The stupid hall of fame. They haven't negotiated w/ Manny's camp in YEARS. This just came out the other day. My mouth hit the floor when I read that. If Manny truly didn't want to be in Baltimore and the FO has known this, why are they just waiting till now to trade the guy? The complete lack of foresight from DD and the idiots in the front office isn't surprising, but this is extremely damaging for the long term potential of the O's team.

But hey...we have Chris Davis rotting in the lineup until 2051.
 
jjs07 said:
So, here's the issue...I don't think Manny is going to sign an extension anywhere other than NY. This is why teams are hesitant to give up top prospects for essentially a one year rental. It's understandable.

That being said, the best trade partner for the O's IS the Yankees. If the end game results with Manny signing there in 2019, then just trade him now to the Bronx. Simple as that.

The ineptitude to Dan Duquette and the rest of the O's front office is hall of fame worthy. The stupid hall of fame. They haven't negotiated w/ Manny's camp in YEARS. This just came out the other day. My mouth hit the floor when I read that. If Manny truly didn't want to be in Baltimore and the FO has known this, why are they just waiting till now to trade the guy? The complete lack of foresight from DD and the idiots in the front office isn't surprising, but this is extremely damaging for the long term potential of the O's team.

But hey...we have Chris Davis rotting in the lineup until 2051.
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100% agree.

I understand why they don't want to trade him in the division but it makes no sense to trade him to the White Sox or Phillies for a lesser haul only for him to end up in NY anyway.
 
nickmaz96 said:
100% agree.

I understand why they don't want to trade him in the division but it makes no sense to trade him to the White Sox or Phillies for a lesser haul only for him to end up in NY anyway.
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Imagine the Chi Sox getting him, and then Cashman hits them with a "Nah, we're good". From there, Machado ultimately becomes a FA and signs with the Yanks.
 
Orioles acting like they're going to be competing for the playoffs anytime soon anyways. They need to do what's best for the team and that's trading him to the Yankees.
 
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