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NBA draft intel: Latest on top picks, trades and the lottery
What is looking likely to happen in the first round of the 2020 NBA draft (Nov. 18 on ESPN)?
The coronavirus pandemic has led to one of the strangest pre-draft processes in history, adding unknowns to a class already filled with questions. Picks throughout the lottery are available in trades -- though those transactions are still on hold due to a league-wide moratorium until CBA tweaks are finalized -- and teams' draft boards continue to differ immensely.
Here's the latest I'm hearing about the No. 1 pick race, the likely picks at the top of the draft, team intel and prospects on the rise.
Top picks nearly locked in?
It's still difficult to have a firm grasp on where each projected lottery pick will end up, though a consensus is beginning to form among teams that split the top prospects into two tiers.
Unless a surprise trade completely disrupts the top of the draft, LaMelo Ball, Anthony Edwards and James Wiseman are likely to make up the top three in some order, according to conversations with multiple team executives, scouts and agents. Most NBA front offices are operating under the assumption that Ball is going No. 1 -- either to the Minnesota Timberwolves or a team that trades up to select him.
Some popular picks among executives to make such a move for Ball at No. 1 include the Chicago Bulls (currently holding the No. 4 pick), Detroit Pistons (No. 7) and Oklahoma City Thunder (No. 25, plus a stash of future firsts).
Ball has yet to conduct any workouts for teams and, at least for now, has made no plans to do so. Multiple front offices were somewhat discouraged watching Edwards' performance during his televised pro day on Oct. 29, seeing sluggishness and inconsistencies with his jump shot. Tyrese Maxey, who showed up in outstanding condition and shot the ball better than expected, might have caused Edwards to look a bit worse by comparison, according to some executives. While many around the NBA are enamored with Edwards' talent, a lack of trust in his likelihood of reaching his full potential is still often cited a hurdle he has to overcome. Whether it's fair or not, his pro day didn't help his case there.
As ESPN's Zach Lowe reported last week, the Wolves and Golden State Warriors (No. 2) have explored trading their picks for star-level players, without a real deal materializing yet. Sources say the Charlotte Hornets (No. 3) have not seriously considered picking any prospects outside the top group of Ball, Wiseman and Edwards.
After those three, the second tier includes Deni Avdija, Obi Toppin, Isaac Okoro, Tyrese Haliburton, Onyeka Okongwu and Patrick Williams. Those players appear likely to make up picks Nos. 4-9 in some order.
Williams -- a 6-foot-8 wing out of Florida State -- is the big winner of the pre-draft process thus far. He has boosted his stock from outside the lottery at the conclusion of the college season to getting looks as high as the No. 4 pick, sources say.
Sources also say the Pistons, under new general manager Troy Weaver, are interested in Williams, who fits Weaver's draft profile from his time in OKC as a young, toolsy, upside-laden prospect.
Detroit has plenty of options on draft night, including trades up, down or out of the draft, as well as potential discussions surrounding Blake Griffin. Williams at No. 7 is not a guarantee, though some teams in the lottery are planning as if he lands there.
Picks Nos. 10-20 beginning to take shape
There is far less consensus around the league after that top nine. Devin Vassell, Killian Hayes, Aaron Nesmith, Tyrese Maxey, Precious Achiuwa, RJ Hampton, Kira Lewis and Saddiq Bey are the most likely to land among teams in the top 20.
Aleksej Pokusevski, Cole Anthony, Jalen Smith and Josh Green could also go that high, though their draft ranges appear to be a bit wider.
While trades could certainly shake up the way this part of the draft materializes, teams looking to move up or down to this range are saying it's proving to be surprisingly difficult because of the high asking price.
Picks belonging to the Sacramento Kings (No. 12), Boston Celtics (No. 14), Wolves (No. 17), Dallas Mavericks (No. 1
, Brooklyn Nets (No. 19) and Miami Heat (No. 20) are the most prevalent in trade conversations lately, per sources.
End of the first round is completely up for grabs
With the exception of the New York Knicks at No. 27, picks Nos. 21-30 include most of the best teams in the NBA, which will likely alter teams' decision-making here. Older prospects ready to play a role immediately will be at a premium, along with multipositional wings, backup point guards or centers, and potentially some international prospects willing to be stashed to conserve roster spots.
Upperclassmen such as Malachi Flynn, Desmond Bane, Jordan Nwora and Xavier Tillman have seen their stock rise in recent weeks for those reasons, positioning themselves firmly in this range due to their plug-and-play nature. The fact that players will have only one month to go from hearing their name called to stepping on the floor for a regular-season game could very well change how teams value late first-rounders.
We'll reveal a new mock draft on Wednesday, and one of the most difficult parts of constructing one this year revolves around the huge glut of guards and centers vying for spots in the first round.
Every team seems to rank prospects in both positional groups differently. That could lead to some surprising outcomes on draft night in the form of players being selected significantly higher or lower than where the league as a whole ranks them.
What is looking likely to happen in the first round of the 2020 NBA draft (Nov. 18 on ESPN)?
The coronavirus pandemic has led to one of the strangest pre-draft processes in history, adding unknowns to a class already filled with questions. Picks throughout the lottery are available in trades -- though those transactions are still on hold due to a league-wide moratorium until CBA tweaks are finalized -- and teams' draft boards continue to differ immensely.
Here's the latest I'm hearing about the No. 1 pick race, the likely picks at the top of the draft, team intel and prospects on the rise.
Top picks nearly locked in?
It's still difficult to have a firm grasp on where each projected lottery pick will end up, though a consensus is beginning to form among teams that split the top prospects into two tiers.
Unless a surprise trade completely disrupts the top of the draft, LaMelo Ball, Anthony Edwards and James Wiseman are likely to make up the top three in some order, according to conversations with multiple team executives, scouts and agents. Most NBA front offices are operating under the assumption that Ball is going No. 1 -- either to the Minnesota Timberwolves or a team that trades up to select him.
Some popular picks among executives to make such a move for Ball at No. 1 include the Chicago Bulls (currently holding the No. 4 pick), Detroit Pistons (No. 7) and Oklahoma City Thunder (No. 25, plus a stash of future firsts).
Ball has yet to conduct any workouts for teams and, at least for now, has made no plans to do so. Multiple front offices were somewhat discouraged watching Edwards' performance during his televised pro day on Oct. 29, seeing sluggishness and inconsistencies with his jump shot. Tyrese Maxey, who showed up in outstanding condition and shot the ball better than expected, might have caused Edwards to look a bit worse by comparison, according to some executives. While many around the NBA are enamored with Edwards' talent, a lack of trust in his likelihood of reaching his full potential is still often cited a hurdle he has to overcome. Whether it's fair or not, his pro day didn't help his case there.
As ESPN's Zach Lowe reported last week, the Wolves and Golden State Warriors (No. 2) have explored trading their picks for star-level players, without a real deal materializing yet. Sources say the Charlotte Hornets (No. 3) have not seriously considered picking any prospects outside the top group of Ball, Wiseman and Edwards.
After those three, the second tier includes Deni Avdija, Obi Toppin, Isaac Okoro, Tyrese Haliburton, Onyeka Okongwu and Patrick Williams. Those players appear likely to make up picks Nos. 4-9 in some order.
Williams -- a 6-foot-8 wing out of Florida State -- is the big winner of the pre-draft process thus far. He has boosted his stock from outside the lottery at the conclusion of the college season to getting looks as high as the No. 4 pick, sources say.
Sources also say the Pistons, under new general manager Troy Weaver, are interested in Williams, who fits Weaver's draft profile from his time in OKC as a young, toolsy, upside-laden prospect.
Detroit has plenty of options on draft night, including trades up, down or out of the draft, as well as potential discussions surrounding Blake Griffin. Williams at No. 7 is not a guarantee, though some teams in the lottery are planning as if he lands there.
Picks Nos. 10-20 beginning to take shape
There is far less consensus around the league after that top nine. Devin Vassell, Killian Hayes, Aaron Nesmith, Tyrese Maxey, Precious Achiuwa, RJ Hampton, Kira Lewis and Saddiq Bey are the most likely to land among teams in the top 20.
Aleksej Pokusevski, Cole Anthony, Jalen Smith and Josh Green could also go that high, though their draft ranges appear to be a bit wider.
While trades could certainly shake up the way this part of the draft materializes, teams looking to move up or down to this range are saying it's proving to be surprisingly difficult because of the high asking price.
Picks belonging to the Sacramento Kings (No. 12), Boston Celtics (No. 14), Wolves (No. 17), Dallas Mavericks (No. 1
, Brooklyn Nets (No. 19) and Miami Heat (No. 20) are the most prevalent in trade conversations lately, per sources.End of the first round is completely up for grabs
With the exception of the New York Knicks at No. 27, picks Nos. 21-30 include most of the best teams in the NBA, which will likely alter teams' decision-making here. Older prospects ready to play a role immediately will be at a premium, along with multipositional wings, backup point guards or centers, and potentially some international prospects willing to be stashed to conserve roster spots.
Upperclassmen such as Malachi Flynn, Desmond Bane, Jordan Nwora and Xavier Tillman have seen their stock rise in recent weeks for those reasons, positioning themselves firmly in this range due to their plug-and-play nature. The fact that players will have only one month to go from hearing their name called to stepping on the floor for a regular-season game could very well change how teams value late first-rounders.
We'll reveal a new mock draft on Wednesday, and one of the most difficult parts of constructing one this year revolves around the huge glut of guards and centers vying for spots in the first round.
Every team seems to rank prospects in both positional groups differently. That could lead to some surprising outcomes on draft night in the form of players being selected significantly higher or lower than where the league as a whole ranks them.
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NBA draft tiers: Top prospects by stats and scouting
How would I evaluate the players in the 2020 NBA draft (Nov. 18 on ESPN)?
Back when the draft would typically have taken place in June, we published my statistical projections for the top prospects available, which we'll update later this week with full top-100 projections. However, I don't always completely agree with my own projections and spend plenty of time watching college basketball to understand what we might be capturing and might be unable to glean from the box score.
With that in mind, I've broken down my favorite prospects this year into five tiers to go over where I have them, considering both their stats and my own perspective.
Tier 1
Prospect: LaMelo Ball
For the second time in four years, a Ball brother tops my projections. Fans might wonder if that's a concern for LaMelo given that his older brother Lonzo does not appear to be on track for stardom.
First, I'd caution against saying Lonzo has underperformed his projections, which estimated around four wins above replacement player (WARP) by my player-value metric during his first five seasons. So far, Lonzo has averaged 3.5 WARP and reached 4.4 last season, putting him well on track to match his projection. It's just that other players in his class have massively outperformed their projections and draft slots -- as typically happens for a large number of prospects.
Second, the Ball brothers are different players. Lonzo projects more as a role player at his best because he's not a traditional pick-and-roll threat, forcing him off the ball much of the time in the half-court offense.
That was predictable. Per Synergy Sports tracking, Lonzo finished just 49 pick-and-roll plays with a shot, trip to the free throw line or turnover in 36 games at UCLA. By contrast, LaMelo finished 95 pick-and-roll plays in the 15 games he played for the NBL's Illawarra Hawks.
For better or worse, LaMelo is a much more scoring-minded player than his brother. While that removes some of the safety net Lonzo had of being a valuable role player, it also gives LaMelo more upside if he can maximize his potential as a playmaker.
Tier 2
Prospects: Anthony Edwards, Tyrese Haliburton
There is a Lonzo Ball-esque prospect in this year's draft, and it's actually not his brother. Haliburton is likewise a quality passer with excellent size who doesn't do much damage in the pick-and-roll. He finished 91 pick-and-roll plays in 24 games as a sophomore at Iowa State, per Synergy tracking, and ranked in the 31st percentile in Division I in his efficiency on those plays.
It's worth remembering that Haliburton is 20 years old and players develop in unpredictable ways; Synergy tracking shows Jimmy Butler finished 32 pick-and-roll plays his entire three-year career at Marquette. Still, that does seem to make Haliburton a better fit for teams that have a primary creator, allowing him to spot up and attack defenses that have already tilted to defend the first option.
Edwards is more of an upside play. His projected usage rate puts him among the top 15 one-and-done prospects in my database, but his projected efficiency as a scorer is in the bottom half of this group. How much Edwards can improve on that, along with the consistency of his defensive effort, will determine whether he can be a star or will end up more of a volume scorer.
Tier 3
Prospects: Deni Avdija, Onyeka Okongwu, James Wiseman
This is probably as high as I'd feel comfortable having big men who don't project as elite shooters or distributors from the high post. While this year's conference finals featured multiple All-Stars playing a majority of their minutes at center (Bam Adebayo, Anthony Davis and Nikola Jokic), all of them have that kind of offensive skill to set them apart from more easily replaceable big men. I'm not confident Okongwu and Wiseman will be able to get there, even though both should be able to defend in the modern NBA.
As for Avdija, I get the concern over projecting based on his performance in the relatively weak Israeli BSL -- particularly after Dragan Bender, my No. 2 prospect in 2016, drastically underperformed his projected BSL stats. However, going strictly by Avdija's EuroLeague play results in virtually an identical projection for him, so I don't think his strong rating is a product of weak competition.
Tier 4
Prospects: RJ Hampton, Killian Hayes, Aaron Nesmith, Isaac Okoro, Obi Toppin, Devin Vassell
This group, heavy on perimeter players, more or less fills out my lottery.
Of them, I could probably most easily be talked into promoting Hayes to the third tier. Watching Hayes play, I was struck by his similarity to fellow lefty point guard D'Angelo Russell. By comparison, Hayes looks more capable of getting to the basket and likely to be a better defender than Russell, which would make him an awfully valuable player if he can get to Russell's level as a pull-up shooter. Per Synergy tracking, Hayes made 35% of his 3s off the dribble from the shorter FIBA line.
Tier 5A
Prospects: Cole Anthony, Saddiq Bey, Josh Green, Tyrese Maxey, Theo Maledon, Patrick Williams
Anthony is a case where I think my statistical projection likely misses the mark. On the strength of his performance in the Nike EYBL AAU competition, Anthony comes out as a top-five prospect despite his rough season at North Carolina and slide in draft rankings.
While I think Anthony can be better than he looked in college, his poor finishing in college (46.5% around the basket, per Synergy Sports) and shoot-first style were major concerns. I agree the middle of the first round is more appropriate for him.
Green was next up in my wing rankings after Bey, meaning I put him ahead of two players (Maxey and Williams) who will likely be drafted higher. The upside is there for Williams, who could emerge as a quality on-ball defender with more ability to create his own shot than, say, OG Anunoby. But he's raw offensively and will have a hard time sliding down to power forward because of his poor defensive rebounding.
During the NBA playoffs, Maxey was often compared to 2019 Kentucky product Tyler Herro, the latest in a series of John Calipari products to show more ability to create shots in the NBA than we saw on loaded college teams. I see two issues with that comparison.
First, Maxey got the opportunity to play with the ball in his hands, finishing 97 pick-and-rolls according to Synergy Sports tracking as compared to 25 for Herro the previous season.
Second, while Herro and the other breakout Kentucky stars of the bubble (Devin Booker and Jamal Murray) are knockdown shooters, that's not a sure thing for Maxey, who hit just 29% of his college 3-point attempts. His 83% foul shooting is more encouraging, but Herro still looks like the better prospect.
Tier 5B
Prospects: Precious Achiuwa, Udoka Azubuike, Desmond Bane, Leandro Bolmaro, Malachi Flynn, Isaiah Joe, Tre Jones, Nico Mannion, Aleksej Pokusevski, Paul Reed, Jalen Smith, Tyrell Terry, Xavier Tillman, Cassius Winston
Since I can't hit everyone in this much larger group and I already covered many of them in our position-by-position rankings, here are a few highlights, starting with why I'm lower than consensus on Achiuwa.
I get the theory of what Achiuwa can be in the NBA: a highly switchable defender who wreaks havoc finishing on the pick-and-roll, sort of Montrezl Harrell meets Bam Adebayo.
In practice, too often during his lone season at Memphis, Achiuwa was guilty of trying to do too much. He also doesn't show much touch around the basket, shooting an effective 34% on shots that weren't layups or dunks, per Synergy Sports tracking. Harrell was able to overcome similar issues (he shot an effective 37% on non-layups/dunks his final season at Louisville); we'll see whether Achiuwa can also accept a smaller role.
Bolmaro is the lone prospect of note currently playing in the ACB and EuroLeague with FC Barcelona. That's useful because he had just 171 first-division minutes last season between the two competitions. He now just barely has enough minutes for a semi-credible projection, which would put him on the fringes of the top 30 statistically.
Thanks to Bolmaro's recent playing time, Pokusevski is the lone top-50 player without a statistical projection, having played primarily in the Greek second division. Watching his film from those games doesn't offer much, because Pokusevski is both bigger and more athletic than his opposition. The concern is Pokusevski won't prove a good enough shooter to spend most of his time on the perimeter, not unlike Bender. As a result, I'd have him near the bottom of this tier.
How would I evaluate the players in the 2020 NBA draft (Nov. 18 on ESPN)?
Back when the draft would typically have taken place in June, we published my statistical projections for the top prospects available, which we'll update later this week with full top-100 projections. However, I don't always completely agree with my own projections and spend plenty of time watching college basketball to understand what we might be capturing and might be unable to glean from the box score.
With that in mind, I've broken down my favorite prospects this year into five tiers to go over where I have them, considering both their stats and my own perspective.
Tier 1
Prospect: LaMelo Ball
For the second time in four years, a Ball brother tops my projections. Fans might wonder if that's a concern for LaMelo given that his older brother Lonzo does not appear to be on track for stardom.
First, I'd caution against saying Lonzo has underperformed his projections, which estimated around four wins above replacement player (WARP) by my player-value metric during his first five seasons. So far, Lonzo has averaged 3.5 WARP and reached 4.4 last season, putting him well on track to match his projection. It's just that other players in his class have massively outperformed their projections and draft slots -- as typically happens for a large number of prospects.
Second, the Ball brothers are different players. Lonzo projects more as a role player at his best because he's not a traditional pick-and-roll threat, forcing him off the ball much of the time in the half-court offense.
That was predictable. Per Synergy Sports tracking, Lonzo finished just 49 pick-and-roll plays with a shot, trip to the free throw line or turnover in 36 games at UCLA. By contrast, LaMelo finished 95 pick-and-roll plays in the 15 games he played for the NBL's Illawarra Hawks.
For better or worse, LaMelo is a much more scoring-minded player than his brother. While that removes some of the safety net Lonzo had of being a valuable role player, it also gives LaMelo more upside if he can maximize his potential as a playmaker.
Tier 2
Prospects: Anthony Edwards, Tyrese Haliburton
There is a Lonzo Ball-esque prospect in this year's draft, and it's actually not his brother. Haliburton is likewise a quality passer with excellent size who doesn't do much damage in the pick-and-roll. He finished 91 pick-and-roll plays in 24 games as a sophomore at Iowa State, per Synergy tracking, and ranked in the 31st percentile in Division I in his efficiency on those plays.
It's worth remembering that Haliburton is 20 years old and players develop in unpredictable ways; Synergy tracking shows Jimmy Butler finished 32 pick-and-roll plays his entire three-year career at Marquette. Still, that does seem to make Haliburton a better fit for teams that have a primary creator, allowing him to spot up and attack defenses that have already tilted to defend the first option.
Edwards is more of an upside play. His projected usage rate puts him among the top 15 one-and-done prospects in my database, but his projected efficiency as a scorer is in the bottom half of this group. How much Edwards can improve on that, along with the consistency of his defensive effort, will determine whether he can be a star or will end up more of a volume scorer.
Tier 3
Prospects: Deni Avdija, Onyeka Okongwu, James Wiseman
This is probably as high as I'd feel comfortable having big men who don't project as elite shooters or distributors from the high post. While this year's conference finals featured multiple All-Stars playing a majority of their minutes at center (Bam Adebayo, Anthony Davis and Nikola Jokic), all of them have that kind of offensive skill to set them apart from more easily replaceable big men. I'm not confident Okongwu and Wiseman will be able to get there, even though both should be able to defend in the modern NBA.
As for Avdija, I get the concern over projecting based on his performance in the relatively weak Israeli BSL -- particularly after Dragan Bender, my No. 2 prospect in 2016, drastically underperformed his projected BSL stats. However, going strictly by Avdija's EuroLeague play results in virtually an identical projection for him, so I don't think his strong rating is a product of weak competition.
Tier 4
Prospects: RJ Hampton, Killian Hayes, Aaron Nesmith, Isaac Okoro, Obi Toppin, Devin Vassell
This group, heavy on perimeter players, more or less fills out my lottery.
Of them, I could probably most easily be talked into promoting Hayes to the third tier. Watching Hayes play, I was struck by his similarity to fellow lefty point guard D'Angelo Russell. By comparison, Hayes looks more capable of getting to the basket and likely to be a better defender than Russell, which would make him an awfully valuable player if he can get to Russell's level as a pull-up shooter. Per Synergy tracking, Hayes made 35% of his 3s off the dribble from the shorter FIBA line.
Tier 5A
Prospects: Cole Anthony, Saddiq Bey, Josh Green, Tyrese Maxey, Theo Maledon, Patrick Williams
Anthony is a case where I think my statistical projection likely misses the mark. On the strength of his performance in the Nike EYBL AAU competition, Anthony comes out as a top-five prospect despite his rough season at North Carolina and slide in draft rankings.
While I think Anthony can be better than he looked in college, his poor finishing in college (46.5% around the basket, per Synergy Sports) and shoot-first style were major concerns. I agree the middle of the first round is more appropriate for him.
Green was next up in my wing rankings after Bey, meaning I put him ahead of two players (Maxey and Williams) who will likely be drafted higher. The upside is there for Williams, who could emerge as a quality on-ball defender with more ability to create his own shot than, say, OG Anunoby. But he's raw offensively and will have a hard time sliding down to power forward because of his poor defensive rebounding.
During the NBA playoffs, Maxey was often compared to 2019 Kentucky product Tyler Herro, the latest in a series of John Calipari products to show more ability to create shots in the NBA than we saw on loaded college teams. I see two issues with that comparison.
First, Maxey got the opportunity to play with the ball in his hands, finishing 97 pick-and-rolls according to Synergy Sports tracking as compared to 25 for Herro the previous season.
Second, while Herro and the other breakout Kentucky stars of the bubble (Devin Booker and Jamal Murray) are knockdown shooters, that's not a sure thing for Maxey, who hit just 29% of his college 3-point attempts. His 83% foul shooting is more encouraging, but Herro still looks like the better prospect.
Tier 5B
Prospects: Precious Achiuwa, Udoka Azubuike, Desmond Bane, Leandro Bolmaro, Malachi Flynn, Isaiah Joe, Tre Jones, Nico Mannion, Aleksej Pokusevski, Paul Reed, Jalen Smith, Tyrell Terry, Xavier Tillman, Cassius Winston
Since I can't hit everyone in this much larger group and I already covered many of them in our position-by-position rankings, here are a few highlights, starting with why I'm lower than consensus on Achiuwa.
I get the theory of what Achiuwa can be in the NBA: a highly switchable defender who wreaks havoc finishing on the pick-and-roll, sort of Montrezl Harrell meets Bam Adebayo.
In practice, too often during his lone season at Memphis, Achiuwa was guilty of trying to do too much. He also doesn't show much touch around the basket, shooting an effective 34% on shots that weren't layups or dunks, per Synergy Sports tracking. Harrell was able to overcome similar issues (he shot an effective 37% on non-layups/dunks his final season at Louisville); we'll see whether Achiuwa can also accept a smaller role.
Bolmaro is the lone prospect of note currently playing in the ACB and EuroLeague with FC Barcelona. That's useful because he had just 171 first-division minutes last season between the two competitions. He now just barely has enough minutes for a semi-credible projection, which would put him on the fringes of the top 30 statistically.
Thanks to Bolmaro's recent playing time, Pokusevski is the lone top-50 player without a statistical projection, having played primarily in the Greek second division. Watching his film from those games doesn't offer much, because Pokusevski is both bigger and more athletic than his opposition. The concern is Pokusevski won't prove a good enough shooter to spend most of his time on the perimeter, not unlike Bender. As a result, I'd have him near the bottom of this tier.
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Feel like KOC/Ringer are single handedly hyping this kid to levels that are IMO, unwarranted.
Just seems obvious that he's more of a Seth Curry-esque specialist type than a Trae Young/CJ McCollum. He lacks the elite handle and burst that those guys have which makes them who they are. He's a good shooter that seems pretty average at everything else. Should still be a solid role player though.
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You know it’s that part of the process where anything regarding a crazy rise or drop in stock gotta be taken with a grain of salt...His reps probly plugged in with somebody over there doing yo a solid
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Yeah, to KOC's credit though, he's been consistent. Has had Terry at 9 (I think) on his Big Board since the season ended 6 months ago and before all this talk about him growing/gaining weight/etc.
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Giovanny saying he has Hayes at 12
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Don't see that happening. Can't see DET/NYK/PHX, who could all use a PG, passing on him. Hell, the Bulls could potentially pull the trigger on him at 4.
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Giovanni also said his top 3 - not who he thinks will be the top 3 just his best 3- ball, okongwu and okoro
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I'd be hard pressed to believe Charlotte is trying that hard to move up, we just don't have the pieces we can offer. Anything worth it is a step back and we should just take the best player there at 3.
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It's so obvious to me that Lamelo is the only #1 pick talent in this draft.
Him sliding always seemed insane to me.
Like you so scared of taking a bust that'd you'd draft guys with "solid starter" upside over a guy with shot at being an all star? wut?
Him sliding always seemed insane to me.
Like you so scared of taking a bust that'd you'd draft guys with "solid starter" upside over a guy with shot at being an all star? wut?
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Knicks trying to stock up on the wrong type of PF's.
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Tbh it seems like most actual front offices are higher on Toppin than the pundits and general public.
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The NBA preaches wing defense, the 3 ball, rim protection, switchability. But then front offices still use high draft picks on scoring 4s that don't play defense.
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