ACA: Affordable Care Act (better known as OBAMACARE) - Enrollment Starts October 1st - You In?

[rillo561]

Just the usual gloom and doom. A bunch of those articles have been debunked already, but hey, it doesn't fit the agenda.

 

[rico x hood]

Why would we argue things on a personal level? So we can be like you liberal demagouges who use son stories to make your point instead of cold hard facts?


So you can name someone who benefited from the Mortgage Debt Relief Act and that suddenly makes it good for America? Please.

 

[rico x hood]

Just the usual gloom and doom. A bunch of those articles have been debunked already, but hey, it doesn't fit the agenda.

Please post the counter articles.

 

[sundoobie]

Why would we argue things on a personal level? So we can be like you liberal demagouges who use son stories to make your point instead of cold hard facts?


So you can name someone who benefited from the Mortgage Debt Relief Act and that suddenly makes it good for America? Please.

Thanks for making my argument for me!

focusing all your time and energy arguing on stupid ideology.

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[rell826]

Did your friend take out a mortgage on a home she couldn't afford in the first place like many Americans did? That was their fault and their fault only, but that's another discussion. You're a glorified renter until that deed is yours. Paying a mortgage for 30 years? Why? Just to say you "own" something.

 

[rillo561]

Sundoobie has posted a bunch a few pages a back but it still doesn't deter you guys from repeating the same talking points over and over and over again. I'm on a mobile at work so I can't really search for things. Not like it'll make a difference, Obama is still a socialist, marixist, Communist Muslim and "Obamacare" will still destroy America. We know.

 

[sundoobie]

Did your friend take out a mortgage on a home she couldn't afford in the first place like many Americans did? That was their fault and their fault only, but that's another discussion. You're a glorified renter until that deed is yours. Paying a mortgage for 30 years? Why? Just to say you "own" something.

Why did she buy it, should she have purchased it, could she afford it, etc.. etc... what does that matter? I was posting a law that BENEFITED Americans!

Thanks for your rant though.

 

[rillo561]

Na I put that in there. "Muslim" is the new code word.

Also are you saying there wasnt rampant fraud going on? These "ghetto loans" are an excuse to blame others? Aren't you like 23? Why are so bitter? You think you're the only one who "works hard" and picks themselves up by their "bootstraps".

 

[rico x hood]

Sundoobie has posted a bunch a few pages a back but it still doesn't deter you guys from repeating the same talking points over and over and over again. I'm on a mobile at work so I can't really search for things. Not like it'll make a difference, Obama is still a socialist, marixist, Communist Muslim and "Obamacare" will still destroy America. We know.

I'm on my mobile as well. You have no counter articles that debunk the ones that have been posted. So all you have left is to allege that we're all somehow bigots because we don't blindly support Obama. You talk about the articles SunDoobie posted...and they were debunked by the new information. So please miss me with all that "it's not worth it" argument. Sounds like a cop out from someone with nothing.

 

[bandit country]

Sundoobie has posted a bunch a few pages a back but it still doesn't deter you guys from repeating the same talking points over and over and over again. I'm on a mobile at work so I can't really search for things. Not like it'll make a difference, Obama is still a socialist, marixist, Communist Muslim and "Obamacare" will still destroy America. We know.

This strawman stuff is so stupid and embarrassing.

Nobody in this thread, to my knowledge, has posted anything REMOTELY like what you accuse.

Grow up.

 

[rillo561]

Hilarious, you guys talk about "sticker shock", someone post an article saying the opposite and the reason why. Then you talk about people losing their healthcare and someone post an article why people are losing it. Then you have da independent talking about da pipeline xl and about businesses getting a wavier. Da independent even said a page or two back talking about Obama's socialist economy.

Whatever.

Insurance cancelled? Don't blame Obama or the ACA, blame America's insurance companies

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013...ama-or-aca-blame-america-insurance-companies/

What Congress didn't say: Obamacare outlaws policies that are essentially worthless

http://www.publicintegrity.org/2013...tm_campaign=watchdog&utm_medium=publici-email

 

[rico x hood]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/07/politics/obama-obamacare-apology/index.html?c=politics

Obama apologizes for insurance cancellations
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(CNN) - President Barack Obama apologized on Thursday to those Americans whose insurance plans are being canceled due to the federal health law he championed even though he said repeatedly they could keep their coverage if they liked.

"I am sorry that they are finding themselves in this situation based on assurances they got from me," he told NBC News in an exclusive interview.

"We've got to work hard to make sure that they know we hear them and we are going to do everything we can to deal with folks who find themselves in a tough position as a consequence of this," he added.

Obama's comments come days after he attempted to clarify what he meant when he assured Americans in previous years that they would be able to keep their plans under the Affordable Care Act, a controversy that is prompting legislation in Congress to address it.

Republicans have hammered Obama over the promise since insurers began discontinuing coverage for some of the 12 million Americans who buy individual policies on the private market that don't meet Obamacare requirements for more comprehensive care.

Insurance companies appear to be doing this for a variety of reasons; some are pulling all their plans from certain states where they have fewer subscribers in order to save money.

In many cases, affected policyholders are being squeezed. They either don't qualify for subsidies to lower the cost of new premiums or they may have to pay more in the health care exchange marketplace.

It's an unwelcome surprise at least and when Obama says he's looking to fix it, he primarily means steps that can be taken administratively, senior administration officials said.

Some experts suggest one possible approach would be to ask insurers to delay the cancellation of plans and extend them into the New Year so that people are not left without insurance. That has been done, for example, in the state of California.

But House Speaker John Boehner said an Obama apology was in order and said the Republican-led House had its own plan in mind.

"What Americans want to hear is that the President is going to keep his promise. That's why the House will vote next week to allow anyone with a health care plan they like to keep it," Boehner said. "If the President is sincerely sorry that he misled the American people, the very least he can do is support this bipartisan effort. Otherwise, this apology doesn't amount to anything."

The administration eventually knew that many policies would be changed by the insurance carriers after Obamacare was introduced, and the associated political uproar since its October 1 online rollout has also angered Democrats and fueled Republican efforts to extend related controversies onto the campaign trail.

Democrats voice concerns

In 2010 the Health and Human Services Department estimated that 40% to 67% of individual plans would eventually lose their "grandfathered" status, which only was conferred if a plan was purchased before the health care law was approved in 2010.

Although Obama said the "buck stops" with him on Obamacare problems to date -- including the rocky rollout of the website -- he still was resolute that his initiative to provide coverage for the uninsured and better coverage for many others would be better for the country.

"Most of the folks who ... got these cancellation letters, they'll be able to get better care at the same cost or cheaper in these new marketplaces," Obama said, also noting that "we have to make sure" people do not feel as if they've been betrayed by an effort carried out with their best interests in mind.

"They'll have more choice, they'll have more competition. They're part of a bigger pool. The insurance companies are going to be hungry for their business. So the majority of folks will end up being better off," he said.

Sebelius on Obamacare

Key elements of the health law prohibit discrimination for pre-existing conditions and require new plans cover maternity care, mental health and other areas. The program was developed to put comprehensive care within reach of millions of uninsured Americans.

About 95% of legal U.S. residents receive health insurance through private employers or the federal government, the Obama administration says. But more than 48 million Americans don't have any coverage.

Obama's apology comes a week after similar refrains were made by Vice President Joe Biden and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius regarding the botched Obamacare online rollout.

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Asked if he thinks Americans will be able to trust what he says in the future, Obama said he thinks he'll ultimately be "judged on whether" Obamacare is better for Americans overall.

"When you try to do something big like make our health care system better ... there are going to be problems along the way, even if ultimately what you're doing is going to make a whole of of people better off, and i hope that people will look at the end product and they're going to be able to look back and say you know what we not have protections we didn't have before," he said.

Carney: Obama can't go back

In the NBC interview, Obama reiterated the administration's line that he's "confident" a "majority of people" will be able to use the website and apply for insurance by November 30. But he did not say whether he would push back the March 31 deadline to enroll or the penalty for those who do not purchase insurance.

Obamacare depends on younger, healthier Americans to buy into the program and pay premiums to offset costs for covering older people who need more health care. Those without insurance who do not sign up for a plan face a fine.

A Gallup poll conducted just over a week ago showed 36% of Americans said they didn't think that in the long run the Affordable Care Act would make much of a difference to their family's health care situation. Just over a third said the health care law would make matters worse, and one in four said that Obamacare would make things better. [\quote]


I'll just leave this right here. Too little too ****** late in my book.

 

[ninjahood]

Clinton just threw obama under da bus...its over for those senate democrats come 2014..this whole law is a colossal failure thus far.

 

[deuce king]

 
Clinton just threw obama under da bus...its over for those senate democrats come 2014..this whole law is a colossal failure thus far.

Do you have a video link or a direct quote champ??

 

[clarkchaz1988]

 
Do you have a video link or a direct quote champ??

All Clinton said was if the government said something, they should live up to it (I'm of course paraphrasing).

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bill-clinton-just-undercut-obama-111500464.html

I don't see how that's throwing Obama under the bus ,but to each it's own. 

“I personally believe, even if it takes a change in the law, the president should honor the commitment the federal government made to those people and let them keep what they got.” 

“I personally believe, even if it takes a change in the law, the president should honor the commitment the federal government made to those people and let them keep what they got.” 

 

[deuce king]

 

 
Do you have a video link or a direct quote champ??

All Clinton said was if the government said something, they should live up to it (I'm of course paraphrasing).

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bill-clinton-just-undercut-obama-111500464.html

I don't see how that's throwing Obama under the bus ,but to each it's own. 

“I personally believe, even if it takes a change in the law, the president should honor the commitment the federal government made to those people and let them keep what they got.” 

“I personally believe, even if it takes a change in the law, the president should honor the commitment the federal government made to those people and let them keep what they got.” 

Thanks for posting this, particularly if this is what ninjahood was referring to.  Either way, I don't think you realize how bad and how toxic the Republican brand is right now ninjahood.  

 

[ninjahood]

obama getting SOAKED on this nonstop....39 dems voted with da GOP to allow people who like their insurance to be able to keep it,

a promise obama was never going to keep because he needs people to lose his insurance to be funneled into da exchanges, as well as

young people pay heavy premiums to offset da older and eldery...and da website still doesn't work.

 

[boogiexdown]

I regret voting for this clown TWICE.

 

[superb]

I'm black I told fools don't vote for him. I wanted other dude in. He got millions know how money work.

know ACC is okay I mean there is no limit on insurance know and if u don't use it insurance they got to refund you. That alone is worth it. Insurance is shady cut u off when u got cancer doctors max out your insurance now they can't

That can be your mom on it having cancer before ACC they would cut her off after her 200k limit. You pay all that money and they throw u away like trash


Mexican dude I forgot his name will be president next. Cause the powers to be said so.

 

[fac3 tak30v312]

Sometimes I wish I could come to topics like these and find a modicum of intelligence and not simple fear mongering. The stipulations, regulations and language that were put into the bill to limit the number of people getting grandfathered in was written by lobbyists and handed to the bill writers as their [health care industry] compromise. This is how politics work. The issues with the website sounds and reads like inside espionage [That is squarely on Obama's administration]. Furthermore some of the hidden options on the site when this story first broke from what I've read, read like long term personnel tracking .. These options included uploading your picture, fingerprinting, pooling all your medical records, the linking of all known family members and associates to your health profile etc

I abhor getting into the conspiracy level of things but instead of going after your elected officials for not expanding medicaid ie texas .. let's just continue the screw obama tirade

 

[Nike Jordan]

I regret voting for this clown TWICE.

No you don't. Nobody ever regrets voting for an individual.

 

[rico x hood]

Typical Dem supporter. Blame everyone but the President. He knew people couldn't keep their insurance since 2011, this is fact. Yet he kept saying it through 2012. He blatantly lied to the American public. Which is why he made that silly *** apology. Too little too late.

So before you try and insult the intelligence of people here, get your facts straight.

 

[deuce king]

I'm black I told fools don't vote for him. I wanted other dude in. He got millions know how money work.

know ACC is okay I mean there is no limit on insurance know and if u don't use it insurance they got to refund you. That alone is worth it. Insurance is shady cut u off when u got cancer doctors max out your insurance now they can't

That can be your mom on it having cancer before ACC they would cut her off after her 200k limit. You pay all that money and they throw u away like trash


Mexican dude I forgot his name will be president next. Cause the powers to be said so.

I guess it's true what they say, every brotha aint a brotha, if I can call you that..........brotha

. 

Mexican dude I forgot his name will be president next. Cause the powers to be said so.

LOL. 

 

[Nike Jordan]

Typical Dem supporter. Blame everyone but the President. He knew people couldn't keep their insurance since 2011, this is fact. Yet he kept saying it through 2012. He blatantly lied to the American public. Which is why he made that silly *** apology. Too little too late.

So before you try and insult the intelligence of people here, get your facts straight.

Let me know when Bush apologizes for the Iraq War.

 

[nawghtyhare]

I'm black I told fools don't vote for him. I wanted other dude in. He got millions know how money work.


know ACC is okay I mean there is no limit on insurance know and if u don't use it insurance they got to refund you. That alone is worth it. Insurance is shady cut u off when u got cancer doctors max out your insurance now they can't


That can be your mom on it having cancer before ACC they would cut her off after her 200k limit. You pay all that money and they throw u away like trash



Mexican dude I forgot his name will be president next. Cause the powers to be said so.

I guess it's true what they say, every brotha aint a brotha, if I can call you that..........brotha . 

Mexican dude I forgot his name will be president next. Cause the powers to be said so.

LOL. 

naw america going to go back to thew regular rich white dude to be the president
they gonna pull the "see we tried someone else and they messed it up" card
if obama can pull out a WILD CARD and does something monumental before he leaves office
Hilary Clinton MIGHT have a chance