Air Jordan XI Retro - White/Concord/Black - CONFIRMED - Holiday 2011

[juaninzze]

Originally Posted by LadyExpensive

Originally Posted by Zyzz


you guys serious? trying to get innocent people banned over spending their money? no one knows if they are fake. unless you work for nike and know 100% you know nothing better than any of us here.

no one knows if they are fake or real and we wont know til someone from Nike clearly tells us that these shoes are not produced in their factories, no affiliated or anyway shape or form from them or anyone related to them. til then the shoes are real. shady but real.

also SMH at the snitching of you guys for people discussing shoes

Nah it isn't snitching on anyone that's purchased, it's the fact that these sites are really shady & if people believe that the pairs they received are fake than they should be removed from all the legit lists.

It wasn't just about the Concords either, it's about ppl receiving Fake Ray Allen 13's from Sneakerape as well.

Calm down .. It isn't about any members, just the shadiness of these sites so far.

Why would anyone 'tell' on anyone for discussing these lol.

I never even heard of sneakerape......stop bring that up....we know that site sells fakes
We also know for a fact that people have purchased from AR and SDS and received LEGIT pair of kicks before.

 

[memphissfinest]

THERE WON'T BE A FAIR COMPARISON UNTIL DECEMBER 23RD WHEN THE REAL PAIRS ARE RELEASED. JUST SO HAPPENED THAT THE FAKE RAY ALLEN 13'S AND THE REAL PAIRS RELEASED FAIRLY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER.

 

[jecca650]

So Jay said on twitter that the reason they were able to get space jams 2 yrs after release was because the factory still had them stocked. Take that however you want.

 

[Jim Shady]

Anyone consider the fact that nike restocked the spacejams this year at certain retailers during all star weekend? did those soles come yellowed?

 

[Bert.]

Originally Posted by JIM SHADY2003

Anyone consider the fact that nike restocked the spacejams this year at certain retailers during all star weekend? did those soles come yellowed?

did they? waits for people to say those are legit while these arent

 

[jecca650]

how come nobody ever questions how the shoes on release day at FL, FA, etc. are still icy when they were produced almost half a year before release day? maybe the factories know how to store them and keep them fresh and that could be why the SJ Jay is selling are super icy.

 

[murkn3m]

Originally Posted by jecca650

how come nobody ever questions how the shoes on release day at FL, FA, etc. are still icy when they were produced almost half a year before release day? maybe the factories know how to store them and keep them fresh and that could be why the SJ Jay is selling are super icy.

I'm saying.. Didn't eastbay have a restock of the cool grey's do? They getting fakes too?

 

[jetpacunlimited]

So let me get this right... you dudes went to METHOD MAN because yall are crying about how WE spend OUR money? WOW

 

[zyr12]

this thread..
Restock of Space Jams in August of 2011 when it was initially made in August of 2009? 

Dudes are really eating it up, word to the abundance of blue shoe trees out here. 

 

[rareair45]

Originally Posted by Zyzz

Originally Posted by LadyExpensive

Originally Posted by Zyzz


you guys serious? trying to get innocent people banned over spending their money? no one knows if they are fake. unless you work for nike and know 100% you know nothing better than any of us here.

no one knows if they are fake or real and we wont know til someone from Nike clearly tells us that these shoes are not produced in their factories, no affiliated or anyway shape or form from them or anyone related to them. til then the shoes are real. shady but real.

also SMH at the snitching of you guys for people discussing shoes

Nah it isn't snitching on anyone that's purchased, it's the fact that these sites are really shady & if people believe that the pairs they received are fake than they should be removed from all the legit lists.

It wasn't just about the Concords either, it's about ppl receiving Fake Ray Allen 13's from Sneakerape as well.

Calm down .. It isn't about any members, just the shadiness of these sites so far.

Why would anyone 'tell' on anyone for discussing these lol.

we dont care for sneakerape. this is about SDS and AR. people have bought from them before. from personal experience the shoes are legit. til its confirmed they are somehow "fake" they are legit sellers. shady but legit.

SNEAKERAPE SDS AR AND ALL THE OTHER EARLY RELEASE SELLERS GET THEIR SHOES FROM THE SAME SOURCE.

 

[degenerate423]

Originally Posted by Murkn3m

Originally Posted by jecca650

how come nobody ever questions how the shoes on release day at FL, FA, etc. are still icy when they were produced almost half a year before release day? maybe the factories know how to store them and keep them fresh and that could be why the SJ Jay is selling are super icy.

I'm saying.. Didn't eastbay have a restock of the cool grey's do? They getting fakes too?

Those were from Nike, confirmed by the Eastbay rep...

Originally Posted by Jetpacunlimited

So let me get this right... you dudes went to METHOD MAN because yall are crying about how WE spend OUR money? WOW

I think they just asked for the site to be taken off of the legit website list.  I hope no one got reported

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Originally Posted by memphissfinest

Originally Posted by 430AM

FAKE. FAKE. FAKE.... 

SDS got a new batch of Space Jam's fresh from the oven. They out there making more as we speak. 

NOT TELLING ANYONE HOW TO SPEND THEIR MONEY. ENJOY.

CAN'T BUY A PAIR ANYMORE FROM THE FORUMS WITHOUT ASKING FOR A MAJOR RETAILER RECEIPT CUZ I'M SURE SOME OF THESE RESTOCK PAIRS ARE GONNA END UP IN BUY/SELL

Same thing I was thinking after the some of the Ray Allen 13s got exposed

...

 

[theprinceofde]

I have a solution everyone send me your 260 and I will guarantee you an authentic pair I ship out on DECEMBER 24TH 2011 so if that sounds good let me know

 

[Jim Shady]

Originally Posted by Zyzz

Originally Posted by JIM SHADY2003

Anyone consider the fact that nike restocked the spacejams this year at certain retailers during all star weekend? did those soles come yellowed?

did they? waits for people to say those are legit while these arent

Somebody can go back and check the thread but I'm 99% sure it was posted that spacejams were purchased from a few spots on all star weekend this year

 

[mr718]

This thread has taken an interesting turn.  Nike shoes that are made in a Nike authorized factory, using Nike materials, but are not actually being controlled by Nike still fake?

So if Nike doesn't authorize the production of the kicks but are still made in the same factory and using the same materials, I don't think it can be consider fake. 

Wrong?

 

[memphissfinest]

Originally Posted by Murkn3m

Originally Posted by jecca650

how come nobody ever questions how the shoes on release day at FL, FA, etc. are still icy when they were produced almost half a year before release day? maybe the factories know how to store them and keep them fresh and that could be why the SJ Jay is selling are super icy.

I'm saying.. Didn't eastbay have a restock of the cool grey's do? They getting fakes too?

THEY HAD SOME MINOR YELLOWING AROUND THE PODS....

 

[mr718]

Originally Posted by memphissfinest

Originally Posted by Murkn3m

Originally Posted by jecca650

how come nobody ever questions how the shoes on release day at FL, FA, etc. are still icy when they were produced almost half a year before release day? maybe the factories know how to store them and keep them fresh and that could be why the SJ Jay is selling are super icy.

I'm saying.. Didn't eastbay have a restock of the cool grey's do? They getting fakes too?

THEY HAD SOME MINOR YELLOWING AROUND THE PODS....

Nah, I got a pair for my girl on that restock. No yellowing whatsoever.  Kinda had me mad they didn't have my size

 

[sneak king]

Ill be glad when we all get our shoes so that we can move on from all this speculation. I understand that the true Litmus test will not come until Dec. 23rd rolls around, but at least we can have a sample of what we are all talking about in hand. I'm tired of checking this thread for info only to wade through the "BS" and learn one FACT for every 25 posts of speculation. Booooooorred.

 

[memphissfinest]

Originally Posted by Mr718

Originally Posted by memphissfinest

Originally Posted by Murkn3m


I'm saying.. Didn't eastbay have a restock of the cool grey's do? They getting fakes too?

THEY HAD SOME MINOR YELLOWING AROUND THE PODS....

Nah, I got a pair for my girl on that restock. No yellowing whatsoever.  Kinda had me mad they didn't have my size

HMMM, MY FAM'S PAIR HAD YELLOWING ON THE PODS ALTHOUGH IT WAS MINOR.

 

[Bert.]

what i wanna know is whats up with everyone calling them "fake" now when these sites been around for what 2+ years now? these sites have always sold shoes and people on here always bought them but not one person called or assumed them to be fake. SDS sold BIN 13's, not a problem. SDS sold doernbecher 3's. not a problem. so whats the deal now? they have been selling 100% legit shoes and not a single word or problem about authenticity. the only problem was with them being flawed/b-grade on some shoes.

think everyone needs to calm down on the fake crap and stop with the assumptions.

 

[holiday]

People are going to hate regardless, no need to get worked up. Personally, I'm patiently waiting for my pair, they turn out to be fake, I'll file a claim, simple as that. Funny how those that didn't order are the ones that have their panties in a bunch. Jealous much?

 

[dj proto j]

Originally Posted by rareair45

SNEAKERAPE SDS AR AND ALL THE OTHER EARLY RELEASE SELLERS GET THEIR SHOES FROM THE SAME SOURCE.

how do you know that?

ok, put VMV and sneakerape on the fakes list, sure (cuz they may get authentics from the same factories, but it sounds like they're also getting fakes from other sources), but i've not heard one person claim to have gotten fakes from SDS or AR. in fact, 2 or 3 pages back a dude said this:

Originally Posted by IsTaYsTuNiNyA

I bought the cool Greys on last year in August and when compared to the rd pair I own, they we the same as well. Now we can drop the topic of fakes and b grades. More pics please.

stop trying to lump AR and SDS in with other fake sellers. at this point it's completely unfair.

 

[broomall4life]

people puttin jay on blast via his twitter site in regards to the space jam restock. i gotta agree it is a bit fishy, but like holiday said i am not going to sweat it.

 

[dj proto j]

Originally Posted by BigLescobar

if people think a factory is producing 60 pairs of a few hundred pairs at a time of Space Jams then they have no understanding about what economies of scale is and how it relates to the cost of producing shoes in a factory. As someone with experience in the footwear industry and knowledge of how the sourcing/ manufacturing process works in these factories, to think they are just making 100 or 200 pairs here or there is not feasible and makes zero sense.

The cost per pair would be extremely high to to that limited amount of a run, if they were still producing them there would be floods of thousands of pairs, not just restocks of 50 or 60 pairs here or there....

When factories produce something like the concords or whatever GR jordan for a main run they are producing upwards of 250k plus pairs in mens sizes. I saw a 30k figure floating around here before which would not even be enough for a major chain to order, let alone as a total production run.

My best guess as to why the space jams are still appearing is that the factory people who store the grey market shoes sell them in small amounts to keep the price they get for them as high as possible. If AR and SDS are buying a few k pairs apiece they are going to get a better price per pair then if they just buy 50-100 units leaked out slowly over time.

But there is still a shroud of mystery that no one knows about, all I know 100% for sure from multiple sources over the years about these grey market shoes is this, which is basically the same stuff said in that article a few pages back:
They are produced in the same factories contracted by Nike at the same time of the production run of the pairs ordered by Nike, with the same materials on the same production lines ( you cant just magically produce a model not currently in production, the lines of all the applicable machinery and workers trained for that model need to be up and running, example: one of these factories cant just start cranking out say AJ8 Aquas right now, the production line is not set up and obviously the materials have not been sourced , if that could happen than Concords would have been produced in perpetuity since it is the most in demand AJ in the US market, they only hit hte grey market when they actually went in production, it must be a model that is actually coming out and has a major order in by Nike, which means the factories have sourced the necessary materials)

Shady characters/organized crime are involved in securing the overrun extra pairs and selling them to people like AR, Marquee, SDS etc.... they all get their shoes from the same source at roughly the same time....whoever pays a premium gets it first

As to the rest of the exact details, we'll probably never know, I could be wrong about the Space Jams, if they have extra soles and black uppers already laying around the factory it is possible they are being produced on the concord production line as the patent panels and midsoles have already been sourced, all they need are the black uppers, laces and soles to change it so space jams, so that is a small possibility but I doubt it. But then again, like I said who knows?

this is the most informative post i've read on this grey market topic.

to me personally, it further confirms my whole argument earlier that dude didn't understand what overruns are and that the stock AR and SDS get are not just a bunch of defective pairs, but mostly A-grade overrun pairs (extra pairs made to compensate for defective pairs, both are write-off's for nike, a "write-off" means nike doesn't pay for them, and both are supposed to be destroyed).

that's not to say there won't be some flawed pairs found from these places, but i find UNMARKED B-grades (some should be C-grade) here in the US straight from nike, footlocker, etc. (remember the dude in the flint thread with the jumpman's head missing? LOL! and he got those straight from nike, not marked as B-grade, and there's countless other, much worse stories like this)...

a lot of these spots may get their stock of authentic J's from the same source, but it sounds like stores like VMV and sneakerape are also copping straight up FAKES from other sources and selling them.

so i'll steer clear of them for sure, but until i hear about AR or SDS selling a straight up fake pair of shoes, i'll consider this early release a hook up. authentic, but off the "back of the truck" (which we all know doesn't mean it's fake, i mean, if you rob a best buy truck of all it's contents b4 best buy puts it into distribution, does that mean all the products are fake all of the sudden cuz best buy never got to put their bar code sticker on it?)...

 

[dj proto j]

yeah, i'm skipping the space jam restock. i'm copping a more comfortable, higher quality 2000 pair, sea glowing it, and dyeing the sole blue many times over so it doesn't yellow (i'm also doing it to my cool greys and concords, even tho they already have a blue sole, i've been told if you re-dye them over and over it basically won't yellow)...

 

[ladyexpensive]

Originally Posted by Zyzz

what i wanna know is whats up with everyone calling them "fake" now when these sites been around for what 2+ years now? these sites have always sold shoes and people on here always bought them but not one person called or assumed them to be fake. SDS sold BIN 13's, not a problem. SDS sold doernbecher 3's. not a problem. so whats the deal now? they have been selling 100% legit shoes and not a single word or problem about authenticity. the only problem was with them being flawed/b-grade on some shoes.

think everyone needs to calm down on the fake crap and stop with the assumptions.

When did you join NT? All you have to do is search & you can see topics like this from 2008 questioning their legitimacy.