Anyone here suffer from Depression?

[johnny cakes]

Lol we need to cite our sources now

 

[an dee 51o]

Lol we need to cite our sources now

Well, not only is it just the right thing to do, it gives credibility. But mostly cuz it is someoneeelse's writing

 

[Deleted member 37467]

Yea, because those lyrics in your sig were totally penned by you...



Just reaching for something to hold onto @ this point, eh?

 

[dt43]

Ha, IAMA heroin user that holds down a 9-5. I would definitely do it. I promise that I wouldn't promote the use of drugs because even though these two dudes seem to think I'm glorifying my use, I'm really doing it because it rewired my brain to basically say that dope is the only thing that can make me happy.

I got into it because I snorted Oxy for the first time with my best friend, and it was like.... the best ever. Started using it more frequently and then soon I was just hooked. I couldn't afford OC's any more, so soon I started using heroin. I was smoking it for a while and then I started slamming it because it was cheaper. And here I am. What I keep trying to tell people is that they really don't understand what goes on in an addicts brain until they experience it. Like, really. It completely destroys your reward system, so your brain stops producing endorphins by itself.

Goddamn. So you pretty much feel like you're past the point of no return I guess.

How much do you spend per week on drugs? Have you been to rehab before?

Only on niketalk would someone be proud to be on heroin

Where did he say he was proud of it? You don't know him personally man, that comment was uncalled for.

 

[an dee 51o]

Yea, because those lyrics in your sig were totally penned by you...



Just reaching for something to hold onto @ this point, eh?

Jesse actually paraphrasing someone else but good try. Looks like you're grasping.

Moving on

Lol we need to cite our sources now

Well, not only is it just the right thing to do, it gives credibility. But mostly cuz it is someoneeelse's writing

 

[Deleted member 37467]

Yea, because those lyrics in your sig were totally penned by you...



Just reaching for something to hold onto @ this point, eh?

Jesse actually paraphrasing someone else but good try. Looks like you're grasping.

Moving on

Hey, at least we have similar taste in music.

This could be the start of a friendship...

 

[an dee 51o]

I think Jesse would want us to be friends. Truce? E beef is stupid anyways.

God and the devil are seriously raging inside me bro :/

 

[Deleted member 37467]

Don't mind me, bro, I'm just bored on a Thursday and the last time I slept was about 3 noons ago.

This is easily the most I've posted on NT in one day, ever, I think, .

Truce

 

[al audi]

Hyper posted some great tips.

 

[Top Boy]

*Looks at Syrian Civil War thread*

*Looks at this thread*

 

[celticsfan9783]

I'm a heroin addict. Why do I do it? Because it makes me able to function in real life and I'm actually a pretty damn fun guy to be around. I was taking antidepressants in high school and they was helping me. The only reason why I'm not on them still is because I'd rather spend my money on dope. Which doesn't make sense, but whatever.

I probably seem "batty" because I am loaded, but that doesn't take away my credibility. Pills help a ton of people. Therapy helps even more.

My best friend died from a heroin overdose this November 2012. Never even knew he was into it. Hid it very well. How did you get into it man? Is there anything you can do to battle it or is it a lifetime "commitment?"

 

[useref15]

I don't mean to be an ***, but how can somebody preach/share advice as they're high on heroin? You keep saying you want to eventually get off from it, well guess what...there will be no eventually. Do you honestly believe you have any credibility sharing advice as a dope user? After the first sentence stating "I'm a heroin addict" all your credibility went out the window. Sorry. It's just a poor excuse, and Hyper has been on point with what he's been saying. I hope you get help sooner then later, because there is a good chance there won't be a later.

 

[ecruteakcityboy]

Glad to hear you're getting help man. You should take about your concerns about taking the medication with your therapist(if you haven't already). Sounds like she's already been helpful im sure she'll give you some insight.

Congrats on seeking help. It takes a real man to admit you have problems, so good on you that you made that leap.

Take the pills, man. There is a reason your PCP and psychiatrist recommended the same pills. Which one is it, if you don't mind sharing? Give it a few months, and if it doesn't work, ask your doc about trying something new. If your depression gets worse, make sure you tell your doctor IMMEDIATELY. This is very important. Communication is necessary when taking any type of meds, especially ones that change your brain chemistry.

Hope everything works out for you!

Oops I meant to say" my therapist Jane" **
But thanks for the input guys.

She also recommended getting more sleep to. So I'll try that out as well.
I'm leaning towards taking the Escitalopram I was prescribed.

Depression is a *****. Sometimes I'll close the curtains, turn off all the lights, lay in my bed , count the hours in the dark, and think about death.
I just want to beat this or at least come to terms. I hate living this way.


The only time I have no anxiety or any level of stress is when I am drunk.

 

[pepperjackchees]

A year ago I got gynecomastia surgery done, but my surgeon barely removed anything. He said he didn't want to cause any permanent scarring but I know he was just trying to escape liability in case he ****** up. My insurance won't cover another surgery. I'm still here a year later depressed with man boobs not wanting to date or leave home. I don't know what to do. 

 

[al audi]

A year ago I got gynecomastia surgery done, but my surgeon barely removed anything. He said he didn't want to cause any permanent scarring but I know he was just trying to escape liability in case he ****** up. My insurance won't cover another surgery. I'm still here a year later depressed with man boobs not wanting to date or leave home. I don't know what to do. 

damn bro that sucks

that can be VERY hard on a mans ego

yours must been severe enough that you felt the need to go under an insurance actually covered it because for most that is out of pocket expense all day

are you overweight or not? also its one of those procedures where scarring is very bad for some an also chest turns out deformed/nipples ruined etc

if he barely removed anything im thinkin you have a good amount of fat on you def lose weight first an im no doctor but i know a lot about the bodybuilding world an there are compounds you can try to reduce it an maybe you might have to save up an go under knife again that blows

how old are you btw?

 

[pepperjackchees]

^ 22. Doc said it was likely due to testosterone/ estrogen imbalance induced by hormone changes. I'm not overweight either. 5'6 140lbs. If it was caused by puberty, then at least I know I'm done with that, but I was done with puberty last year too prior to the procedure. Also, where I'm living right now there aren't a whole lot of options for surgeons. I'm not trying to go back to the same doctor either.

 

[District of Columbia]

^ 22. Doc said it was likely due to testosterone/ estrogen imbalance induced by hormone changes. I'm not overweight either. 5'6 140lbs. If it was caused by puberty, then at least I know I'm done with that, but I was done with puberty last year too prior to the procedure. Also, where I'm living right now there aren't a whole lot of options for surgeons. I'm not trying to go back to the same doctor either.

Same age same problem. I kno them feels bro ...finding a shirt to wear is a daily problem. Considering surgery how much was yours ?

 

[al audi]

^ 22. Doc said it was likely due to testosterone/ estrogen imbalance induced by hormone changes. I'm not overweight either. 5'6 140lbs. If it was caused by puberty, then at least I know I'm done with that, but I was done with puberty last year too prior to the procedure. Also, where I'm living right now there aren't a whole lot of options for surgeons. I'm not trying to go back to the same doctor either.

well yes NO &$^% that is always the cause Doc

sorry that you had a crappy doctor bein that small an lean id imagine yours is pretty prominent

id get blood work done an yours is at least still pretty new, youre 21+ so there is something you can try

it would involve androgens though

 

[pepperjackchees]

^ 22. Doc said it was likely due to testosterone/ estrogen imbalance induced by hormone changes. I'm not overweight either. 5'6 140lbs. If it was caused by puberty, then at least I know I'm done with that, but I was done with puberty last year too prior to the procedure. Also, where I'm living right now there aren't a whole lot of options for surgeons. I'm not trying to go back to the same doctor either.

Same age same problem. I kno them feels bro ...finding a shirt to wear is a daily problem. Considering surgery how much was yours ?

$3,500. Insurance covered most of it but it was only because mine was not caused by lifestyle but due to chemical imbalance.

 

[pepperjackchees]

^ 22. Doc said it was likely due to testosterone/ estrogen imbalance induced by hormone changes. I'm not overweight either. 5'6 140lbs. If it was caused by puberty, then at least I know I'm done with that, but I was done with puberty last year too prior to the procedure. Also, where I'm living right now there aren't a whole lot of options for surgeons. I'm not trying to go back to the same doctor either.

well yes NO &$^% that is always the cause Doc

sorry that you had a crappy doctor bein that small an lean id imagine yours is pretty prominent

id get blood work done an yours is at least still pretty new, youre 21+ so there is something you can try

it would involve androgens though

Info on this? I'll probably just save up and go under the knife again tho. Need to find a less conservative surgeon

Also, are you familiar with diet and gynecomastia, like are there certain foods that aggravate it? I'm thinking chicken and milk are bad for me because of the hormones farmers inject into their livestock, but I couldn't find anything online to support this

 

[al audi]

Info on this? I'll probably just save up and go under the knife again tho. Need to find a less conservative surgeon

Also, are you familiar with diet and gynecomastia, like are there certain foods that aggravate it? I'm thinking chicken and milk are bad for me because of the hormones farmers inject into their livestock, but I couldn't find anything online to support this

16 Ways to Fight Gynecomastia


By Eric M. Potratz




Gynecomastia = Gyno


Most people think the only way to combat gyno is to use Nolvadex or Clomid. Considering the undesirable side-effects of these drugs, I generally don’t prefer these as the first line of defense. I have expressed my concerns about SERM’s in my article – Clomid & Nolvadex – The Dark Side.

In this article I summarize alternative methods for combating the occurrence of gyno. The advice given in this article is the result of over 10 years experience in counseling individuals with AAS induced gyno.

If you have gyno as a result of an endocrine disorder, I advise consulting your doctor before making changes to your prescribed medical regimen.


You Do Not Have Gyno!


During mammary tissue growth (the onset of gyno), you may notice the following symptoms -

Puffy or swollen nipples
Overly sensitive nipples
Itchiness around the nipples

Editorial note: I promise -- that is the last time I will ever say nipples.

Now, just because you may have these symptoms does not mean you HAVE GYNO. It simply means that you HAVE GYNO SYMPTOMS. Remember, it is normal to have a small flat pea sized lump under the nipple. This is NOT gyno.

Now, if you allow these above symptoms to progress for several weeks then you may develop gyno. So if you are experiencing any of the above symptoms then you are smart to take action before it’s too late – But please stop emailing me saying you “have gyno” after 3 days on a cycle – this is physiologically impossible.

The good news is that even if you do have a slight case of gyno that you developed from a cycle, it’s probably 100% reversible. Read on…

Nipples.


Gyno Hysteria


No level of gyno is “permanent”. Any level of gyno can be reversed by dietary, supplemental and/or hormonal intervention. Mammary tissue (gyno) can be catabolized like any other tissue in the body. It’s just a matter of creating the right physiological environment within your body. Therefore, as far as I’m concerned, all gyno is temporary or semi-permanent at worse.

Here are the basic levels of gyno -

Level 1 – A dime sized glandular lump – which can emerge as soon as 2-3 weeks after “gyno symptoms” appear. This type of gyno can transform into a more serious level 2 gyno if left untreated for more than 4-6 weeks. In most cases, this initial level 1 gyno disappears once the hormonal environment improves, which is generally 2-3 weeks after the inflicting steroids clear the system.

Level 2 – A quarter sized glandular lump. This type of gyno does not completely disappear on its own, but may gradually shrink to “Level 1” size after discontinuing the inflicting steroids. Completely reversing level 2 gyno requires aggressive dietary and supplemental intervention in conjunction with prescription grade drugs.

Generally, the levels of gyno can be referred to in the following way –

level 1 = temporary

level 2 = semi-permanent

Be warned, if gyno is allowed to grow large enough, the cost of surgery may be more cost efficient than trying to battle the gyno through drug and lifestyle changes – which could otherwise take months or years of intervention.

Following the 16 points below will help you prevent and reverse level 1 & 2 gyno -


The 16 Points


Consider all the following points. Remember, there are many factors that can contribute to gyno and performing just a handful of the points below may be the key to avoiding gyno all together.

1. Your naturally occurring 5a-reduced metabolites are your friends in preventing and reversing gyno. 5a-reduced metabolites include androsterone, androstanedione, androstanediol and dihydrotestosterone (DHT) as the most powerful 5a-reduced hormone. These hormones help prevent gyno by lowering estrogen and blocking the effect of estrogen at the hormone receptor. (1- Unless you have serious androgen related hair loss you want to keep your 5a-reduced metabolites relatively high to avoid gyno.

Methods for increasing 5a-reduced metabolites (DHT) are listed in preferred order –

Topical testosterone applied to the scrotum will rapidly increase DHT levels with minimal estrogen conversion. (for more information on topical steroids, read this article)

Use a DHT pro-hormone such as androsterone, found in AndroHard. This will raise DHT with zero risk of estrogen conversion.

Injectable testosterone along with an AI to prevent excessive estrogen conversion.

High dose oral 4-DHEA or DHEA along with an AI to prevent excessive estrogen conversion.


2. If you are concerned about gyno, avoid finesteride at all costs. It lowers all 5a-reduced metabolites to undesirable levels and has an extremely long half-life which continues to suppress DHT levels long after discontinuing the drug. (9) Progesterone would be a better anti-DHT alternative if you are concerned with hair loss. Plus, progesterone can clear the system within 24hrs making a mistake in dosing much less risky.

3. Almost all sources of gyno can be linked back to having insufficient levels of 5a-reduced metabolites in the body. In theory, any amount of estrogen/progesterone can be blocked by sufficient DHT. (10-14) Also, high DHT and enlargement of the prostate is a myth, however high estrogen and high DHT can lead to an inflamed prostate, so you want to at least make an effort to keep estrogen in a normal range. (14)

4. Trenbolone, TREN, Nandrolone can cause gyno because they lack a potent 5a-reduced metabolite (dihydronandrolone is weaker than dihydrotestosterone). (15) If you are worried about gyno from progestational steroids you should consider boosting your 5a-reduced metabolites during the cycle (mentioned above). This can avoid most if not all of the gyno problems associated with progestational hormones. I should mention here that aromatase inhibitors alone (AI’s) will not help prevent gyno from progestational compounds. It is the antagonistic action of 5a-reduced hormones that is required.

5. Nothing is going to antagonize estrogen at the estrogen receptor (ER) better than actual DHT. While DHT derivatives or analogs such as Anavar, Winstrol, Masteron, Epistane, Superdrone, ect may be 5a-reduced, they cannot convert to actual DHT and thus cannot directly inhibit gyno at the receptor level (since they lack the ultra-high binding affinity for the AR that true DHT possesses). (16)

6. Natural anti-estrogens (resveratrol, chrysin, I3C, DIM, ect) are great for PCT and can stimulate the HPTA and manage healthy estrogen metabolism, but they are not strong enough to prevent aromatization from high doses of aromatizing steroids. Don’t rely on these to prevent gyno during a cycle.

7. Reducing prolactin will reduce the overall stimulation on mammary growth. Suppressing prolactin is useful as a temporary method to help slow or stop gyno growth. However, continuing anti-prolactin treatment is not recommended to be continued beyond 8 weeks. Methods of suppressing prolactin include –

Vitex at 460mg/day
Vitamin B6 at 200-400mg/day
Mucuna Pruriens (15%-20% L-Dopa) 4-6g/day
Increasing DHT may also lower prolactin release (17)


8. Don’t fiddle with your nipples. This increases prolactin release which can make gyno worse.

9. IGF-1, GH, insulin and prolactin are all potent growth factors in gyno growth. Limiting these hormones will reduce the likelihood of experiencing gyno symptoms. “Bulking” (aka., eating-a-********-of-everything) will increase most of the growth factors listed above. Cutting calories (especially carbohydrates) will suppress insulin and IGF-1 therefore reducing the overall stimulatory effect on mammary growth. Ketogenic diet = less risk of gyno.

10. Body fat (adipose tissue) is the main site for androgens to convert to estrogens. Therefore, being overweight or having high body fat increases your gyno risk. This is another good reason to go on a cutting cycle if you are gyno prone. Reducing body fat will lower your rate of estrogen conversion from aromatizing steroids. (1

11. Caffeine consumption can inhibit clearance of estrogen from the liver by competing for the P-450 oxidase system. Avoid caffeine if you are concerned about high estrogen levels.

12. Avoid supplements containing forskolin if concerned about gyno. Forskolin increases aromatase activity via cAMP modulation and can increase formation of estrogen. (23,24)

13. Increasing fiber intake (both soluble and insoluble) can enhance clearance of estrogens from the intestines. Research shows that increasing fiber intake in humans can reduce estrogen levels by up to 22%. (19)

14. Reducing estrogen below the normal range (such as over dosing arimidex, letrozol, aromasin or formestane) can eventually reduce SHBG levels, thus allowing more estrogen to freely circulate (by offsetting it from SHBG). Higher levels of freely circulating estrogen can amplify breast tissue growth (20). SHBG also appears to have anti-estrogenic effects at the cell receptor level. (21, 22) Avoiding over suppression of SHBG will reduce your gyno risk.

15. Don’t be afraid to lower the dose mid cycle. People have a tendency to panic at the first sign of gyno and drop everything. Generally, just lowering the dose of the afflicting steroid can offer gyno relief within 4-5 days.

16. Save SERM’s as your last resort against gyno. You do not need a SERM (tormifene, clomid or nolva) to avoid gyno from a properly planned cycle. If you are still having gyno problems after following the above points, consider the fact that you have a poorly planned cycle and you need to revaluate the compounds you have chosen.

 

[$tatus $ymbol]

Info on this? I'll probably just save up and go under the knife again tho. Need to find a less conservative surgeon

Also, are you familiar with diet and gynecomastia, like are there certain foods that aggravate it? I'm thinking chicken and milk are bad for me because of the hormones farmers inject into their livestock, but I couldn't find anything online to support this

LOL don't listen to that nonsense. The only thing that is going to remove your gyno is surgery. For $3500 it seems like yours wasn't glandular but fatty tissue. To tell you about diet or whatever it would help if you posted what your doc told your preop about the condition specifically whether it was pure glandular or not.

 

[al audi]

LOL don't listen to that nonsense. The only thing that is going to remove your gyno is surgery. For $3500 it seems like yours wasn't glandular but fatty tissue. To tell you about diet or whatever it would help if you posted what your doc told your preop about the condition specifically whether it was pure glandular or not.

wouldnt say nonsense correction

methods to reduce appearance

only way is under the knife, remember though going under the knife doesnt always leave one with gyno satisfied either

 

[$tatus $ymbol]

wouldnt say nonsense correction

methods to reduce appearance

only way is under the knife, remember though going under the knife doesnt always leave one with gyno satisfied either

True enough but the androgen stuff is nonsense imo. Most ppl that have the condition need to go under the knife, whether it's straight lipo for fatty tissue or a combo of excision/lipo. I know the kind of gyno that you're referencing bc I've seen you say you lift, which is totally diff from guys that truly suffer from this condition imo.

 

[al audi]

True enough but the androgen stuff is nonsense imo. Most ppl that have the condition need to go under the knife, whether it's straight lipo for fatty tissue or a combo of excision/lipo. I know the kind of gyno that you're referencing bc I've seen you say you lift, which is totally diff from guys that truly suffer from this condition imo.

no dude i have it from puberty

im well versed on the topic being a natural bodybuilder, its more common than you think

ive built a physique an live a life where it doesnt even bother me now, but of course we all have it for those who do at diff severity