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Well isn't that a doosey
Hmm gonna take some time with this one.
Hmm gonna take some time with this one.
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Sorry didnt mean to turn it into a captain America thread lolNo, not won.
Just that neither side will relent so screw it. CA is a bum.
But why can't batman plan as wellThe Iron Man armor is not merely a suit, it is EVERYTHING that makes Stark a hero.
If we're going to strip him of that, what is the point of this question?
My earlier post was argued based of these observances. I compared and contrasted Bruce/Bat's to Tony/I.M based on their on screen realities; based on their most sensible realities, as it relates to our own, and not on the farfetched, fantastical, paradigms we are so often witness to in contemporary comic story-lines, which is your (Sir Charles) primary source evidence. If you are going to harangue us about what Tony Stark/Iron Man is capable of then you have to be open to what Bruce Wayne and Batman are also capable of. It's not a one way street, and your opinion is not the end-all-be-all on the matter.
Now a really ridiculous criticism by some of you T.S/I.M supporters is that it's silly to make arguments that take into consideration the separation of Tony Starks from the Iron Man shell. Why is that a silly argument? Why shouldn't that possibility be accounted for in a debate that explores the relative strengths and weaknesses of the two subjects, in their entirety? Y'all Iron Man fanboys are not even being realistic with yourselves. Y'all want to harp on Tony's/Iron Man's strengths but don't even want to consider his biggest weakness? Com'on Son!!!
Tony Stark's biggest advantage in this duel is his Iron Man shell, but it's also his biggest weakness--FACT!!!
As previously mentioned, in my earlier post, without his Iron Man shell, he's DONE. And as for Extremis--how convenient. That whole arc is evidence of the aforementioned point. It was developed to patch up that very significant loose end which served as a reminder of Tony Stark's greatest vulnerability: that without his Iron Man shell, and the Superhuman powers if affords him, he's about as pathetic as any other "regular" human in the Marvel universe. And the icing on the cake--the fact that Extremis was not even a Tony Stark invention; in other words, let's entertain the possibility that, in a reality where Bruce Wayne's and Tony Stark's worlds coalesce, Maya Hansen, in exchange for a blank check for her cancer research, gives billionaire playboy Bruce Wayne all the info and data as well as live samples of the Extremis virus. What now?
Tony Stark is weak. Bruce Wayne is not. Tony Stark develops different iterations of his Iron Man shell because no one shell is absolute, either. Each has it's faults and limitations, that's why he's had to create so many different types over the years. Bruce Wayne, on the hand, and relatively, has kept it simple. Why? Because his strength is NOT dependent on his Batman shell. Even if he is deprived of his Bat suit, he remains just as dangerous. Tony Stark loses his Iron Man shell, and he's nothing.
Here we have two cases where one hero is dependent on his suit/shell and the other is not. The former hero's abilities and effectiveness are directly dictated by the shell he chooses to "wear" that day; the same is not true for the latter hero, whose abilities and effectiveness remain the same even if he's wearing a pajamas. I don't know about you, but if I had to go with one, I'd go with the guy whose strengths are innate, and not extrinsic and coupled to some specific shell which may not even be the right "equipment" for the job given any number of circumstances.... What's that saying, "it's the man that makes the suit and not the other way around"...
Ohh and I'll just leave this here...
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Obviously, Bruce Wayne can make fancy suits too.
But why can't batman plan as wellThe Iron Man armor is not merely a suit, it is EVERYTHING that makes Stark a hero.
If we're going to strip him of that, what is the point of this question?
You cant have a one sided arguement, you have to look at the bigger picture as well
The well "ironman" doesn't have to plan arguement is weak and selfish, you have to explore all options in a fight/war... You don't just run into a fight( that's how dudes get knocked out) you size your competition up and look for a weakness before the first blow is thrown( unless u get snuffed or jumped)
Which then people argue well "batman can just be shot"so are we just negating the fact batman has all types of guns and electronics in his UTILITY BELT (that are non lethal) to handle those types of situations and I seriously doubt a trained assassin is just going to sit there in bulletproof armor and just get done in by a laser, proton cannon,flying missile, etc
You can't just say ironman is a definite win just because he can fly and shoot, where they do that at.... In the end people are going to ride with ironman because its the easy choice
Proton cannon,flying,lasers=win
Heart,tenacity,strategy, real "cqc" training=losing...smh
I give up... There is no reasoning... You have brow beat the situation over my headNobody said iron man doesn't have to plan. But if they were both thrown into an arena, iron man wouldn't have to plan. His power, is over Wayne's.
What defense does batman have against a missile that can destroy a tank that the tank doesn't have? He doesn't. If Iron Man turns on that 50 cal the battle is over before it starts. Plain and simple. Lets talk about the utility belt, what does he have in there that you keep clinging to it for?
The laser itself moves faster than batman, and it has a large radius. Batman wouldn't have much defense against that.
Alright, so by this logic if I put a boxer up with a mugger with a gun, the boxer will win simply because he has heart, strategy, and real fighting training? No, bang bang, boxer down.
FixedI have seen the light.
Ironman is the strongest super hero ever
I give up... There is no reasoning... You have brow beat the situation over my head
Ironman is the strongest super hero ever because he has guns/laser/ training from captain America and batman can't win because he strategizes and he is a merely just a man
And nobody has ever disarmed a man with a gun and batman couldn't have a device in his belt to disarm a missile
And this is why I stop reading marvel comics and started reading mangas lol
honestly at this point I think Marvel and Dc should make a movie bout this.
Can't win with marvel fanboys or fanboys in general so no well thought out response will work...not pouting nor are my jimmies are rustledFixed
Can't win with marvel fanboys or fanboys in general so no well thought out response will work...not pouting nor are my jimmies are rustled
Ironman some hiw became indestructible and now is a xmen wolverine status and a brotherhood member like juggernaut
And guys acting like "prep" time is a bad thing
Smh....when someone has that much passion for one character/situation...no arguement will suffice...I bid this thread a do lol
Like I have said multiple times nobody wants to point out the weaknesses of ironmanSo basically you don't like that the character you favor isn't given an advantage?
I thought the idea of these questions was for the two entities to meet on a level field with their base abilities.
How is it fair if one character is given a head start?
Okay then, lets talk about screen realities. I'm going to go off of the current Iron Man series, and The Dark Knight Rises series.
Now, if this is the biggest way Batman can defeat Iron Man, why does the question exist? Iron Man, as in Tony Stark in a suit. His greatest power. Yet, you want to strip him of his power to make it so its man vs batman? That's simply defeating the purpose.
Hey lets make tony have a memory-gone serum so Wayne forgets all his training! (Same thing, equal chance of happening)
If this is going off the partial quote above, well.
Alright, so your argument here is Batman takes Maya's extremis virus. Batman becomes Iron Bat. So now they have equal power, but unequal genius. I'll get into that later. What if we flip it? Since we are capable of taking the others abilities now, lets give Stark a chance.
Stark uses his business genius to take over Wayne Enterprises. Shuts the whole thing down. What's wayne going to do now? Where is his money to fund his technology?
Or, Stark visits the bat cave. Steals a bat mobile, or the bat wing.
Or Stark has a talk with Bane, gets himself on that "Molly"
Or, stark grabs batman, flys him into Bane's prison, drops him in and collapses the place.
Or, maybe Stark uses his nuclear arsenal to destroy Gothem.
Far fetched, yet equal possibilities.
Back to screen realities
Is that not planning ahead with his "prep time" like everyone has said.
Either way, since we are talking about movies. Want to know why Batman has kept it simple? Because he fights muggers. Muggers and thieves. Why would he need a metal suit? Hell, his biggest enemies were the Joker and Bane.
Batman's strength against lower level humans remains innate, but when he goes up against bane it's not enough. His technology is his weapon against enemies of equal strength and stronger. Where would he be without the Batmobile, Batwing, and his bat cycle? Walking. Now continuing on, we have batman fighting Bane. He gets that back broken. Then he is thrown in prison. With his simple get up. You think iron man couldn't match that?
In the movies, iron man has upgraded his suit three times. One, he turns scrap metal into an arc reactor, and a functioning Mark I. Then, he improves is with the Mark II prototype to test his limits. And he perfects it with the good trimming on the Mark III. Where he defeats armies. Armies of enemies. And his big two, Stane, and Whiplash.
Batman's plain and simple outfit does him a lot of good until he is faced with an actual challenge.
Okay then, if Wayne isn't dependent on his shells, lets take off his cowl and have bane smash that head in again and see if he survives. Or, lets have him shot at, like he always is, without that bullet proof chest plate. He needs his protection just as much as iron man b.
Iron man changing suits every different enemy is a smart things. Example. I have a golf club, and a bat. I'm about to go fight a fat kid named Ed. I grab the golf club. Then I have to fight Jim, the buff dude. I grab the bat. Its smart to grab the tool that works best against the enemy you are fighting.
But does the suit match the power of the repulsor technology, is it capable of flight, does it hold machine guns and missiles? It just looks like an exoskeleton to enhance human abilities to me. (Running, physical attacks, the works.)
I'll check back tomorrow to see what other exaggerations y'all have come up with...
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Seriously though...why is "prep time" even a factor?
If it's absolutely necessary, why aren't both parties given that luxury?
^ ok, and we'll just assume tony wouldn't or can't.... Perfect