big sean featuring kendrick lamar and jay electronica "no i.d" freestyle

[nako xl]

Yup.  New rap fan here.

And You can't come back on the same beat because

A. Kendrick already murdered it, so there's a bias towards his verse over yours

and

B.  100 other rappers are hopping on the same exact beat.  You're gonna get lost in the cypher.

If you want to have an effect as strong as what K did then you come back on your own track and you snatch the belt back.

These dudes responding on the Control beat can spit verses that are fine a la Joell, but it won't be the same as the first time you heard Kendrick.  And they won't win.

How many rappers have murdered a dude on their own beat as a rebuttal?

superugly, checkmate off the top of my head.

it aint about who can have the biggest effect or who can cause us internet dweebs to go the most bizerk.  tough bars over a tough beat thats it, the music.  stop overanalyzing it.

My point exactly.  Nas didn't really come at Jay like that on Got Yourself a Gun.  It was all subliminals and Jay lost the second Nas dropped Ether.  Jay should have stuck to the "Takeover" "Blueprint 2" formula.

I can't even remember if 50 dissed Jada on the original track from Checkmate.  Been so long... was that off G Unit Radio 10?  It's the "I'm an Animal" beat right?

The only time I remember a real back and forth where someone seized a beat and the other rapper dissed him over it/took it back was Pump it Up.

I guess my point is if you're trying to go at someone, the effect is doubled when the track is original. Coming back on their own beat makes for more gamesmanship and competition and is more WHOA if you really do step on their neck, but the odds are stacked against you.

This isn't everyone jumping on Started From the Bottom.  Dude already got round 1.  Just listen to the song.  Jay Electronica had the third verse and no one noticed after.  Move on to a different beat.

 

[jaymosenvied]

Joell came through on the response.

 

[Figured it out]

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[tay1]

Budden about to get real emotional

 

[shoeking2101]

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Wut is this

 

[sole searchin]

I don't really get how cats are confused with the line King of New York, king of the coast, one hand, I juggle them both.

Simply he's the new Pac, the new Biggie, he's better then anyone doing it right now on either coast. But man, we needed this. Can't wait for Pusha's response cause you know he's coming.

 

[tay1]

I don't really get how cats are confused with the line King of New York, king of the coast, one hand, I juggle them both.

Simply he's the new Pac, the new Biggie, he's better then anyone doing it right now on either coast. But man, we needed this. Can't wait for Pusha's response cause you know he's coming.

I bet Pusha won't call him out tho. He gonna be on some subliminal sh*t, and say he ain't diss nobody in a interview.

 

[lovehateself]

I bet Pusha won't call him out tho. He gonna be on some subliminal sh*t, and say he ain't diss nobody in a interview.

i see pusha/ others  coming out with something in the lines of accepting a challenge to release music with substance...not a straight diss tho

 

[CJMcfly26]

Curious to see if Funeral Fab responds

 

[clyde the glide]

My point exactly.  Nas didn't really come at Jay like that on Got Yourself a Gun.  It was all subliminals and Jay lost the second Nas dropped Ether.  Jay should have stuck to the "Takeover" "Blueprint 2" formula.

I can't even remember if 50 dissed Jada on the original track from Checkmate.  Been so long... was that off G Unit Radio 10?  It's the "I'm an Animal" beat right?

The only time I remember a real back and forth where someone seized a beat and the other rapper dissed him over it/took it back was Pump it Up.

I guess my point is if you're trying to go at someone, the effect is doubled when the track is original. Coming back on their own beat makes for more gamesmanship and competition and is more WHOA if you really do step on their neck, but the odds are stacked against you.

This isn't everyone jumping on Started From the Bottom.  Dude already got round 1.  Just listen to the song.  Jay Electronica had the third verse and no one noticed after.  Move on to a different beat.

well im not about to knock the rappers that actually do take that challenge rather than taking the easy way out with some new catchy ****.  joell took the challenge and came through with a tough verse.  while the people he actually called out will prob just throw little jabs here and there instead of just addressing it straight up like joell did.  thats what being an MC is all about, jumped right on the beat and killed it no extra ****.  i just dont see how u can knock that....

 

[eiddyfouw]

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this could get interesting...

 

[tay1]

i see pusha/ others  coming out with something in the lines of accepting a challenge to release music with substance...not a straight diss tho

I can see that happening. I don't expect many responses though.

 

[tay1]

Curious to see if Funeral Fab responds

No doubt Fab is gonna have a slick line about this sometime soon.

 

[niquefreak94]

what could the responses be though?

y'all saying all this about the rappers mentioned responding, but what they gone say?

Kendrick don't spit?
They wanna murder HIM and make sure HIS fans never hear from him again?
He isn't raising the bar?
He's not the king of NY? (even though that's not what he was saying)


The nature of what Kendrick said was presented in a way that the only real rebuttal is to make good music.

Look at Joell's response. All he said was 1. you were scared to mention my crew 2. you not the king of NY 3. i can lyrically beat you

y'all really wanna hear 10 rappers all say that ****?

whatever floats y'all boat

 

[bballkid11]

what could the responses be though?

y'all saying all this about the rappers mentioned responding, but what they gone say?

Kendrick don't spit?
They wanna murder HIM and make sure HIS fans never hear from him again?
He isn't raising the bar?
He's not the king of NY? (even though that's not what he was saying)


The nature of what Kendrick said was presented in a way that the only real rebuttal is to make good music.

Look at Joell's response. All he said was 1. you were scared to mention my crew 2. you not the king of NY 3. i can lyrically beat you

y'all really wanna hear 10 rappers all say that ****?

whatever floats y'all boat

couldnt of said it better

 

[a55a5in11]

wale's gonna run behind his body guard and challenge him to a fight

 

[harlemtothebronx]

http://www.hiphopdx.com/m/index.php?s=news&id=25030

Is this real life?

 

[mastamind033]

Best way for these rappers to respond is just to drop some fire verses and only have a line or 2 mentioning Kendrick Lamar and his verse, having whole verses or songs is just too much.

And for those thinking about the last time a MC dropped a track calling out a bunch of dudes, how could you forget Kurupt? He's even mentioned in Kendrick's verse

 

[sammy863dade]

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[CJMcfly26]

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[gllahone84]

Some of these ****** shouldn't even have a deal...

Joell did his thing, but that **** ain't touching Kendrick verse.

Listening to Kendrick verse I got the face like...

 

[deeksdog]

I won't lie and claim to be in the hip hop scene as much as I was in the past...but do K dot and Kayne have beef? Any reason he wouldn't have thrown Ye's I'm as part of that name drop? I'm not a Kanye stan, but he can flow....

Idk I'll just leave a few other random thoughts here as well, but am interested in the first part of the question....

How do you put 3 stacks in your top 4 mentioned but leave out daddy fat sacks? Both are top 5-20 rappers by themselves, but both on tracks is what made outkast what it is...daddy fat sacks can drop heat

Calling out people for bein soft but no mention of snoop huh?...California girls, reggae music...SMH and I love snoop, but just saying kind of hypocritical

Again with hypocritical as far as calling people out...decide to not go after the dude who let you open for him but now has a damn reality show on vh1...the game?

 

[dub 253]

I don't really get how cats are confused with the line King of New York, king of the coast, one hand, I juggle them both.

Simply he's the new Pac, the new Biggie, he's better then anyone doing it right now on either coast. But man, we needed this. Can't wait for Pusha's response cause you know he's coming.

It's not confusion, Kendrick could've compared himself to BIG a hundred different ways, but he chose to say he was the King of NY. He knew what he was doing. Shots were fired as far as I'm concerned.

Rap needed this.

 

[Chopper]

what could the responses be though?

The nature of what Kendrick said was presented in a way that the only real rebuttal is to make good music.

Exactly. There are several NY MC's who can body a beat lyrically in response to this (a la Joell), but until they drop very good albums, they aren't seeing Kendrick (although I personally think Nas and GFK still have it and if we're expanding outside of NY, Black Thought is still at his peak).

 

[caleekicks]

yup, folks acting like game didn't master this formula.

Not just name droppin', he pullin skirts down b