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‘The Time for Reconciliation is Over’: South Africa Votes to Confiscate White-Owned Land Without Compensation
“The time for reconciliation is over.” South Africa’s parliament has backed a motion to confiscate land owned by white people.
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http://www.news.com.au/finance/econ...n/news-story/a8a81155995b1adc1c399d3576c4c0bc

South Africa’s parliament has voted in favour of a motion that will begin the process of amending the country’s Constitution to allow for the confiscation of white-owned land without compensation.

The motion was brought by Julius Malema, leader of the radical Marxist opposition party the Economic Freedom Fighters, and passed overwhelmingly by 241 votes to 83 against. The only parties who did not support the motion were the Democratic Alliance, Freedom Front Plus, Cope and the African Christian Democratic Party.

It was amended but supported by the ruling African National Congress and new president Cyril Ramaphosa, who made land expropriation a key pillar of his policy platform after taking over from ousted PM Jacob Zuma earlier this month.

“The time for reconciliation is over. Now is the time for justice,” Mr Malema wasquoted by News24 as telling parliament. “We must ensure that we restore the dignity of our people without compensating the criminals who stole our land.”

According to Bloomberg, a 2017 government audit found white people owned 72 per cent of farmland in South Africa.

ANC deputy chief whip Dorries Eunice Dlakude said the party “recognises that the current policy instruments, including the willing-buyer willing-seller policy and other provisions of Section 25 of the Constitution may be hindering effective land reform”.

ANC rural affairs minister Gugile Nkwinti added, “The ANC unequivocally supports the principle of land expropriation without compensation. There is no doubt about it, land shall be expropriated without compensation.”

Thandeka Mbabama from the Democatic Alliance party, which opposed the motion, said there was a need to right the wrongs of the past but expropriation “cannot be part of the solution”. “By arguing for expropriation without compensation, the ANC has been gifted the perfect scapegoat to explain away its own failure,” she said in a statement.

“Making this argument lets the ANC off the hook on the real impediments — corruption, bad policy and chronic underfunding. Expropriation without compensation would severely undermine the national economy, only hurting poor black people even further.”

Pieter Groenewald, leader of the Freedom Front Plus party representing the white Afrikaner minority, asked what would happen to the land once it was expropriated. “If you continue on this course, I can assure you there is going to be unforeseen consequences that is not in the interest of South Africa,” he said.

Cope leader Mosiuoa Lekota said there was a “danger that those who think equality in our lifetime equates that we must dominate whites”, News24 reported.

Mr Malema has been leading calls for land confiscation, forcing the ANC to follow suit out of fear of losing the support of poorer black voters. In 2016, he told supporters he was “not calling for the slaughter of white people‚ at least for now”.

Civil rights groups have accused the EFF and ANC of inciting an ongoing spate of attacks on white farmers characterised by extreme brutality, rape and torture — last year, more than 70 people were killed in more than 340 such attacks.

Ernst Roets, deputy chief executive of civil rights group Afriforum, said the parliamentary motion was a violation of the 1994 agreement in which the ANC promised minority interests would be protected post-apartheid.

“This motion is based on a distorted image of the past,” Mr Roets said in a statement. “The term ‘expropriation without compensation’ is a form of semantic fraud. It is nothing more than racist theft.”

He earlier hit out at “simply deceitful” claims that “white people who own land necessarily obtained it by means of oppression, violence or forced removals”.

“The EFF’s view on redistribution is merely a racist process to chase white people off their land and establish it within the state,” he said. “This is not only deceiving, but also a duplication of the economic policies that the world’s worst economies put in place.”

Afriforum said it would take its fight to the United Nations if necessary. The matter has been referred to the parliament’s Constitutional Review Committee, which must report back by August 30.

Earlier this month, Louis Meintjes, president of the farmers’ group the Transvaal Agricultural Union, warned the country risked going down the same route as Zimbabwe, which plunged into famine after a government-sanctioned purge of white farmers in the 2000s.

“Where in the world has expropriation without compensation coupled to the waste of agricultural land, resulted in foreign confidence, economic growth and increased food production?” Mr Meintjes said.

“If Mr Ramaphosa is set on creating an untenable situation, he should actively create circumstances which will promote famine. His promise to expropriate land without compensation, sows the seed for revolution. Expropriation without compensation is theft”.
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hand2handking said:
‘The Time for Reconciliation is Over’: South Africa Votes to Confiscate White-Owned Land Without Compensation
“The time for reconciliation is over.” South Africa’s parliament has backed a motion to confiscate land owned by white people.
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http://www.news.com.au/finance/econ...n/news-story/a8a81155995b1adc1c399d3576c4c0bc
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THATS WHAT IM TALKIN ABOUT.




But are they gonna confiscate the land and just give it to China???? I know China been putting in work in Africa tryna get their resources
 
sugafree said:
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I don't think he is well informed about marvel writing. I highly double Killmonger is dead based on how marvel typically does things.

Yes, Killmonger was the Malcolm X of the movie and judging from what I'm seeing in the community, he is being well embraced.

I had the same criticism of the movie; however: With the parallels of Killmonger's character to Malcolm X, Magneto and Vegeta, I don't think there would be any other good way to give that character development from Villain to anti-hero to actual hero without a near death experience.

But like he was saying fake woke black people love to jump and criticize anything black without the facts. Like the woman a few pages back saying with the money the movie was generating that we could build our own Wakanda. Wakanda is worth trillions and wakanda isn't based on colonial thinking. A quick google search would've clarified that but she wanted the clicks and "yas queen" rather than the facts and positive affirmations about the movie.
 
A Black Passenger Saved My Flight From An Emergency Landing. Here’s Why That Matters.
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https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5a945fd5e4b02cb368c48d0b?ncid=engmodushpmg00000011

In the days leading up to Black History Month, I boarded a flight from Huntsville, Alabama, to Denver — a brief stop during a long month of layovers. It was my eleventh work flight of the month, and my first near-miss.

After sleeping through my 4 a.m. alarm, I raced down I-65, barely beating the clock to Huntsville International Airport. Pleased with my success, I smiled through the security line, boarded my flight victoriously and plopped into my seat.

“21F? I think that’s my seat,” a woman whispered across the aisle, before adding, “Actually, it’s fine. We’re already sitting. You can have it.”

Relieved at not being made to move, I slouched further into my seat and closed my eyes. But as the caffeine of my early morning coffee had yet to wear off, I couldn’t sleep, so I occupied my time with a daily question: What should I share on Instagram today?

On one of my previous 10 flights, I watched a teenager record a time-lapse video of takeoff. And as my plane began to roll forward, and curiosity set in, I propped my phone between the window and its shade and hit record.

Peering through my iPhone screen, I watched the plane leave the ground in an unspectacular fashion. A few minutes passed and, as nothing beautiful happened, I soon began to question whether the video was Instagram-worthy. However, I suddenly realized one thing separating this flight from the previous 10: a slight surge of white fluid streaming from the right wing of the plane.

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At first I wasn’t concerned, and quickly dismissed the fluid as some kind of exhaust. But then I noticed the man in front of me flagging down a flight attendant.

Though I could barely hear his words over the rumbling of the plane’s engine, I could see him urgently motioning toward the wing. The flight attendant immediately sprang into action, and moved toward the cockpit. Soon after, the pilot spoke into the PA system, “Due to a fuel issue, we’ll need to return to the Huntsville airport. Once we arrive, you’ll receive assistance to rebook your travel. I apologize for any inconvenience this has caused.”

My initial reaction was the same as any inconvenienced passenger: “Jesus. This airline is such trash.” And, while frustrated, the pilot’s calmness convinced me that the “fuel issue” was undesirable, but nothing to be alarmed about.

As the plane turned back to Huntsville, and dozens of passengers grumbled with frustration, I found myself more curious than annoyed. I asked the man who spoke to the flight attendant if he knew what had happened. I soon learned that the passenger, Rumaasha Maasha, recognized the spewing fluid as a fuel leak, and was the sole reason my flight avoided a potential emergency landing — or something far worse.

Maasha explained that when the pivotal parts of a plane malfunction, response time is a crucial factor to ensure the continued safety of the flight. Increased speeds at higher altitudes can increase suction on the fuel tank, expediting the leak. And as a plane moves farther away from nearby airports, emergency landings are more likely to become crash landings. But Maasha’s immediate action meant the pilot could turn back and thankfully avoid an uncertain fate.

Flight attendants and passengers were quick to applaud Maasha’s heroic efforts, labeling him everything from a “guardian angel” to “our flight’s William Shatner.”

Last June, passengers on a different flight played a similar role. When Rachel Brumfield and her husband alerted her flight’s crew about fuel gushing from the plane’s wing, they were told, “Sit down, it’s normal.” That dismissiveness transformed into panic when the crew realized the severity of the situation. Thankfully, that plane never left the tarmac.

Both incidents make me wonder: With a highly trained pilot and crew aboard, why was a passenger ultimately the one responsible for the safety of these flights?

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Then again, Maasha is not an ordinary passenger. He’s an aerospace engineer at NASA, where he specializes in structural dynamics. From shuttles to satellites, Maasha is charged with ensuring that NASA’s hardware can withstand the perils of space. As I watched him use his expertise to protect me and my fellow passengers, I became fixated on a fact that others might not think was interesting — or even relevant to this situation: Like me, Maasha is black.

I wanted my appreciation for Maasha and his heroism to be untainted by what he’s overcome, but I was in awe. I knew too much about the unlikelihood of his achievements to be unmoved.

As a black person in America, I take pride in fully understanding my plight. I’ve studied the unending legacy of slavery — masochistically memorizing statistics that affirm an expectation of black failure. I’ve also studied the more hopeful parts of our history, rife with marches and movements, as necessary today as they were 60 years ago.

And as a black man working in tech, I’ve become overly familiar with the systemic racism plaguing STEM careers — careers like Maasha’s.

In Silicon Valley, black people occupy just 2.7 percent of engineering roles. Since moving to San Francisco, I’ve endured entire work days without encountering a single Black person — let alone a black engineer. But solitude is often the precursor to solidarity. With all of this swirling in my mind, I became determined to learn everything I could about the man who had saved my flight.

I caught up with Maasha after we exited the plane — now surrounded with emergency vehicles and support — and asked him more about himself. As Maasha offered more details about what had just taken place, humbly explaining both what he saw and the physics of the fuel leak, our conversation sparked a specific type of magic: an inherited sense of familiarity for someone I’d never met, stemming from a shared struggle known only by black people. Far from a friend, but still family. Waiting to speak to a gate agent, I asked Maasha how he got to NASA.

“In some ways, it feels like things have come full circle,” he said, reflecting on his first job as a refueler for Delta airlines in Atlanta. After graduating from Columbia University 1994 and receiving his master’s degree from Georgia Tech soon after, Maasha faced a common challenge for black engineers: finding a job. “Here I was, an Ivy league educated dude, refueling airplanes,” he told me. And while Maasha was disappointed with his first gig, his comfort on the tarmac was undeniable.

From age four to 13, Maasha’s family lived and worked in Liberia. His father was an engineer by trade, and a professor of geophysics at a local university. After school, he would take Maasha to the airport to watch airplanes. From there, Maasha developed an obsession with aviation. Maasha still credits the time he spent with his father on the hangar for sparking such a longstanding love.

“Although we have airports in every community, not a lot of black kids get that exposure,” he said, and commented on the noticeable lack of black pilots. But being a pilot was not enough for Maasha. “I didn’t want to just fly planes. I wanted to design them.”

So when Maasha completed his first job refueling hundreds of planes for near-minimum wage, he continued to seek out aerospace engineering positions. He went on to become an aircraft mechanic, and held several other aviation jobs before finally landing at NASA — the result of a connection he’d made during a previous role. “Getting in the door was the hardest part,” he said.

The more Maasha grew to love engineering, the more he had to fight for the chance to pursue it. And years later, he used that love to protect others. Upon pointing out the luck of him sitting in the most opportune place to spot a fuel leak, Maasha told me that he sits in that seat on every flight. Why? To ensure, as best as he can from a passenger seat, that each plane he’s flying on is functioning properly — and that his fellow passengers are safe. “This isn’t the first issue I’ve caught,” he said.

At NASA, Maasha’s ability to “get in the door” meant a chance to learn skills that could one day help humans survive in space — or to simply fly safely from Huntsville to Denver. I can’t help but wonder how many other Maashas exist in America, excluded from they jobs they dream of — and are more than qualified for — because of their race. And they’re not the only ones suffering. When an industry systematically excludes people who want to help others, everyone loses.

Black history is too rich to go uncelebrated. But as Black History Month comes to a close, we must remember that those celebrations cannot occur without also remembering the adversity our community has faced ― adversity baked into our country’s DNA ― that has and continues to negatively dictate culture, legislation and outcomes for too many black people.

Maasha’s story, and the heroism he exhibited on my flight, reminds us that Black History Month — and every day following it ― is best spent preparing for a future where he is the standard, not the exception.
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I thought it was the battle of Axum. Gotta refresh my memory.

Edit: It was the battle for Axum in which the Italians were defeated in the battle of Adwa.

That cop story...literally speechless.
 
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Can someone explain how this is NOT gonna end up like Zimbabwe?

I'm all for restitution of land forcefully taken during the apartheid, but there are many, many issues that come with a move like that.

Far from engaging in WS rhetoric, but it should be mentioned that the political power in SA has been passed down within the ANC since Mandela was president; furthermore, one of the arguments against this move is that the SA constitution already put in place a land restitution program that is said to have failed because of mismanagement, which is an argument I can give an ear to since there have been very glaring examples of government abuse in that country.

And there's also the question of those who supported taking that land from white south africans, only to suggest that they wouldn't mind entering in partnerships with foreign investors to exploit the land.

I don't know, but that looks like a land grab + asset sell off scenario to me, but I'm only speculating from the little bit I've read.
 
gry60 said:
Can someone explain how this is NOT gonna end up like Zimbabwe?

I'm all for restitution of land forcefully taken during the apartheid, but there are many, many issues that come with a move like that.

Far from engaging in WS rhetoric, but it should be mentioned that the political power in SA has been passed down within the ANC since Mandela was president; furthermore, one of the arguments against this move is that the SA constitution already put in place a land restitution program that is said to have failed because of mismanagement, which is an argument I can give an ear to since there have been very glaring examples of government abuse in that country.

And there's also the question of those who supported taking that land from white south africans, only to suggest that they wouldn't mind entering in partnerships with foreign investors to exploit the land.

I don't know, but that looks like a land grab + asset sell off scenario to me, but I'm only speculating from the little bit I've read.
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Yeah, I'm iffy on partnerships. These "agreements" almost always never benefit the people and only a small few. Also how will the land be used? Who has the knowledge to get the best value from the land? How will this improve the lives of people on the ground? Alot of questions need to be answered.
 
2163O1baller90 said:
you gotta tell us more
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“What Once Was Ours”

Started it a while ago, but stopped a while back. Scheduled to take 4 weeks off to be at home with my new daughter starting Monday. Gonna try to get the ball back rolling. Hope you all get to see it one day.



Started to watch that video from Asheville. Stopped when they were punching him in the head. The **** cops think they can do to us is disgusting.
 
Detroit-launched Lip Bar Goes From 'Shark Tank' Rejection to Target
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Instead of selling bananas by the pound, at smaller Targets, bananas are sold 'by the each.' Wochit

https://www.freep.com/story/money/business/2018/02/23/lip-bar-shark-tank-target/358520002/

Melissa Butler, who was rejected on national television for her visionary lipstick line, is getting the last laugh.

Butler, 31, launched her brand, The Lip Bar, six years ago in Detroit. She brought it to national television's "Shark Tank" in 2015 and was rejected outright. Fast forward another three years: Her product is now on Target shelves around the nation.

On Feb. 18, Lip Bar lipstick made its debut in Target stores.

Butler grew up on Detroit's east side near City Airport. She attended Cass Tech and Florida A&M University, studying finance. She moved to New York and worked for Barclay Investment Bank in 2009, at the height of the economic crash.

But Butler didn't stay in finance. She branched out and became an entrepreneur in cosmetology, starting The Lip Bar online while living in New York. Her motivation is "to challenge the beauty standard" because she feels that the media portrays beauty in a "linear" fashion.

"I find that very frustrating," Butler said. "They look at beauty from a very narrow perspective and it's never inclusive."

Butler decided not only to challenge the status quo but also to take a healthier approach to beauty.

"When I started the Lip Bar, I was taking a more holistic approach to my own lifestyle," Butler said. "So I wanted to use products that not only looked good on me but were good for me."



The Lip Bar uses only vegan and cruelty-free products. Butler also doesn't believe in testing on animals.

"It's kind of torturous," Butler said.

Butler took her line to "Shark Tank," trying to get investors, but also exposure to the millions of people who watch the show.

"We really wanted to make sure that we got aired, because not all of the businesses that are pitched get aired," Butler said. "We went on there and we got this really public rejection."

However, Butler didn't see it as a defeat or a red flag to stop. If anything, it further fueled her ambition.

The day she was rejected on "Shark Tank," she said that her website crashed from 30,000-plus hits. Over the next two weeks, she said, approximately 120,000 people visited the site.

"If nothing else, it validated our market," Butler said. "It ended up being one of the best things for business because of the level of visibility that we were able to get."

That level of visibility gave her the opportunity to partner with Target three years later. Butler said she admired Target's commitment to diversity and multicultural beauty and felt that The Lip Bar could add value to the retailer.

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"I love the Lip Bar, it's a community based operation. Small businesses make the world go round," says customer Michelle Parizon of Detroit, center, who with Oneita Jackson of Detroit, left, are trying on lipstick with make up artist Kori Fields at the Lip Bar on Agnes street in Detroit on Tuesday, February 6, 2018. (Photo: Romain Blanquart, Detroit Free Press)

In 2016, Target began selling her products online. On Sunday they launched in stores.

The Lip Bar is now in 42 Target stores in cities including Chicago, Baltimore, Atlanta, New York, Philadelphia, Charlotte, and St. Louis.

Butler also started The Lip Bar retail store in Detroit in July 2017. It is the only solo branch of the store.

"My goal is just to expand," Butler said. "The goal is to create beauty that's affordable, that's accessible and that's high performing. We want to be in stores like Ulta. We want to be in more Targets. That's the ultimate goal."

Despite her success, Butler said she still likes to live in the moment and hold onto the rituals of her childhood.

"I aspire to be a hippie," Butler said. "I stare at the water, I stare at the moon. There's so many quirky things. I love to hula-hoop. The things from my childhood I refuse to let go."
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2163O1baller90 said:
do yall think tariq is really trying to push the culture forward or is he an opportunist just capitalizing off of us
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I say take the information that he gives, assess it and form an opinion. As far as the culture he's provided a lot of good information and has shown how to successfully produce black history documentaries. If he makes money off of it than thats his business in the literal sense of the term, like its great that he's making a profit but because he's making a profit doesn't dilute the information imo
 
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