Black Culture Discussion Thread

LIONBLOOD said:
 
am1x90xnike said:
It's not whether I believe it, as an American citizen I'm part of that history everyday I spend still here. I have the option to leave. I stay, I shoulder that, I shoulder living in a country that hates me, but this is the land if my forefathers and I ain't leaving.

Until my history is straight, until MY people are good, I'm not concerning myself with the atrocities of other nations. One thing at a time.

I'm not 'African American' and Africans aren't my people anymore than Europeans or Asians are my people, on the individual basis absolutely, but as a whole, nah I'm a Negro. because I've experienced some true racism from Africans, they on they on the list too.
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So this is the root of your dissociation from Africa. Immigrants in this country are ignorant, African immigrants adopt that mentality. Hell Africans don't even like each other
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. I'm not asking you to befriend Africans, I'm asking you to teach your children that there's more to black history than slavery.
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Africans do not understand the history of african americans.........they just look at it like "you're just lazy" they have no understanding of the oppression.....our story is similar with them but they don't get it 

The older generation def doesn't want to be associated w/ african americans......the younger generation are more aware and enlightened by the plight so they're usually not ignorant at all 

I use to be uneasy about it but I've learned a lot from my girl fam (sierra leone).....these folks grew up very poor and the opportunity to come to america is something we can't fathom. Most that come over here were probably as poor as anybody else here but they went through the struggle to provide themselves with a better life. 

African folks are good people if you ever get in with them...whether it's through dating an African chick or w/e......they all look out for each other and they practice group economics

Their food is also good as ****.....I love sitting down and listening to their stories while drinking a Heineken 
 
How can black stop or start there history with slavery. Start with Africa and tell the full story. Slavery wasn't bad until the invention Of the cotton gin and made cotton business boom. Whites needed cheap a d controllable labor that's why they did all the evil stuff. Before that slaves were taken in africa post war as the losing side was absorbed into the tribe.
 
What does it mean to be a people? Is it the culture? The genetics? The language? The location?  Race is so abritrary, pick a point and thats where you decide you are from. Since all people came from Africa, a white dude could walk around saying "I'm celebrating my African heritage" but ya'll say he was a damned fool, but why? His genetic ancestors were African, thats science, so at what point does it "count?"

You decide to go back to Africa, I decide to go back to the first American born African as the point for my racial genesis. I couldn't care less if that started at slavery, many people have been born out of oppression, knights and knaves, kings and tyrants, it's not how you're born, it's how you die that matters. History is all about spin, some would say "well thats saying all you are is a slave" whereas I prefer to think "blood of a slave, heart of a king."

I can't see how rebuilding Africa will help my people. If someone could make some tangible causal link between the plight of modern Africans and modern Negroes, I'd be interested in the read.

I mean, it's all an academic debate, I've not interest in learning much more about world history, say thats "ignorant"...don't care, I can't know it all, so I have to choose what I want to dedicate my time and energy to, my energy is going to the country I actually live in.
 
Mr Marcus said:
 
Africans do not understand the history of african americans.........they just look at it like "you're just lazy" they have no understanding of the oppression.....our story is similar with them but they don't get it 

The older generation def doesn't want to be associated w/ african americans......the younger generation are more aware and enlightened by the plight so they're usually not ignorant at all 
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Agree 100% with that first statement. The part about the younger generation is 50/50. SOME of them are more aware and enlightened. I've heard a lot of 2nd generation Africans immigrants repeat the dumb **** that their parents spew about AAs. 

The guy who said our biggest problem is that we're lazy is completely wrong. 

The sex and drug addict thing is also not true IMO. America is a country that glorifies sex and drugs, and we are one of the chief tools in the media that is exploited in their glorification of this. There are more white drug users than blacks. 
 
DaComeUP said:
 
The sex and drug addict thing is also not true IMO. America is a country that glorifies sex and drugs, and we are one of the chief tools in the media that is exploited in their glorification of this. There are more white drug users than blacks. 
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We picked up ALOT of european habits.

I'ma leave that one alone tho.
 
Wait, are you saying drug use is a European habit that we 'picked up?' As if there were no drugs in Africa...if I'm not mistaken their have been marijuana seeds found in the tombs of Pharoahs...and sex? That's a habit? ...but that's that ish, constant blaming, one sided revisionists history. How do y'all not see this line if thinking as dangerous?
 
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@hallywoodxo

Yea there isn't much we can do to be influential opposed to the powers at hand, most don't understand when you're preaching to them, gotta find better ways to reach out, any progress is better than none

@JuliusWrek

I've thought about the PIC topic alot on occasion

Growing up, I was sent to alot of alternative schools (2 or 3) for gettin into trouble and cause of grades, and if you think about it, it is alot like the PIC.

In these school systems I was always sent off cause I didn't like how things were taught and before I knew it I would find trouble, which is justifiable, where my gist is, is the overhaul of pseudo-marxist idealism being taught to our youth.

Anyone who has ever been through an alternative school knows, they try to strip you of pride and treat you like second-hand citizens, like criminals, which is the basis of this idealism, "treated like criminals".

When I was first kicked out of public school, I went to a school where the boys and the girls were separated, everybody was searched before the start of the school day as soon as they came through the door, we were not asked to bring any supplies, a process that was completely unnecessary. We were separated and put into blocks "D-BLOCK" "C-BLOCK" etc... and got to go to "the yard" to play ball... at first I thought this was fun, I was young so and didn't really think much of it, and that wasn't even the tail of all the madness... but anyway in these schools you have to have a strong mentality to get through because the whole time being there it's about punishing you for your personality and who you are. Anybody who wanted to be productive/grow were virtually on their own and unfairly punished with the rest , why not many graduate/ graduated.

School systems haul off the problematic/failing kids to help their image all the while using these same kids as examples of what is annulled in society, creating the same type pseudo-marxist ideals that has been made around prisoners who "deserve" to be locked up like animals simply cause they can't comply for whatever reason, that's completely their fault. In most cases, people make these decisions to hinder their freedom, but we have bought this romanticized idea that criminals that don't fit into society deserve to live like trash and be locked away from society, in cages.

I know that this justice system, while unjust, works. people believe in it, people rely on it. Now I'm not a prison abolitionists but I think that it might be a little harsh, we advocate it cause it makes us feel safe and gives people a satire-ish feel of karma but I think that we wholesomely ignore how these people are degrated, embarrassed and used as propaganda for our entertainment, I think the media has bought us out with fear and terror to believe in their system and to target certain people, certain groups, and certain actions just like my example above. I think what I mean is well expressed in this video from the former Black Panther and former journalist, Mumia Abu-Jamal, who was convicted for the murder of police officer, Daniel Faulkner, in 1981.

                                              

I know that prison has now become a business and some say slave labor, but I don't want to make it seem like this is a biased opinion, I believe that treating anybody like this is wrong, so I'm not gonna get into that.

Most of the teachers were nice btw, they were just too caught up to realize what they were doing, even though I graduated alot of my friends didn't, they gave up hope because it is so hard to actually work in such a system, I prevailed because I knew how to get through by myself, that's why I feel bad for alot of these kids in alternative schools today and all children of minorities living in the struggle that will be targeted one time or another.


 
 
The United States' secret 1971 Special 'AIDS' Virus Flow Chart



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American (Euro) scientists created AIDS and believed the anthropology textbooks that indigenous groups of people who inhabit all parts of the global world are Caucasian. The scientists, therefore, felt safe to develop a disease that would wipe out people with Negroid Ancestry. Little did the scientists know that only 8% of the global world is Caucasian--WHITE! Many of the indigenous people (now classified as White) are dying of AIDS because of their "Brown" skin. In effect, Caucasians have become victims of their own propaganda!!!




U. S. Secret Virus Program






Black people have a gene called CCR5 Delta 32+. (I mean Brown people too.) On the opposite end of the spectrum is CCR5 Delta 32-. The CCR5 Delta 32- is a mutation of the original CCR5 Delta 32+. The only people who have the Delta 32- gene are White people--Nordic Europeans.





The 32- allele has to be inherited from both parents to be immune from the test tube created HIV and AIDS. The mutation does not have the required receptacles needed to "hold on" the HIV and AIDS Disease. The gene gives credence to the disease being racially designed to eliminate "people of color."





About 10% of Europeans carry the CCR5 Delta 32- mutation. The incidence is only 2% in central Asia, and the mutation is completely absent among East Asians, Africans, and American Indians. THAT SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING.





The HIV/AIDS enzyme is the product of many steps in the laboratory according to all scientific criteria in every independent ‘de novo’ review that has been conducted to date. The science history shows an ‘Aryan obsession’ with development of ethnic biological weapons targeting people of Negroid descent. At present it is unclear exactly when the genociders learned there was an exploitable difference in the blood of the Negroid Race.



Shortly after the United States Congress appropriated money (for offensive biological weapons) to the CIA and US military in 1957, Negroid children on the Continent of Africa became afflicted with a “new” cancer (Burkitt’s Lymphoma). In 2002 something or some new disease was killing African children that utilized the CCR5 delta 32 positive gene--indigenous to all people of color. It became clear there was a clear master plan to debilitate, incapacitate, eradicate and eliminate the Black populations of the world.




Role of the CCR5 delta 32 allele in resistance to HIV-1 infection in West Africa



The National Library of Medicine determined the frequency of the mutant CCR5 delta 32 allele in high-risk HIV-seronegative Africans as compared with the general African population, and assessed its in vitro protective efficacy against HIV-1 infection. In the homozygous form, the CCR5 delta 32-allele confers resistance to macrophage-tropic (M-tropic) strains of HIV-1. Assuming that genetic characteristics favoring HIV resistance would prevail in a high-risk HIV-seronegative population, they examined the CCR5 genotypes of female commercial sex workers (CSWs) from Dakar, Senegal, who have remained uninfected for an elongated period.

The following Methods were used: The CCR5 genetic profile of study participants was determined by polymerase chain reaction (PCR) amplification of genomic DNA followed by sequencing. Peripheral blood mononuclear cells (PBMCs) were infected with different strains of HIV-1 and monitored by p24 enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay (ELISA).

The Results Follow: They confirmed the presence of two CCR5wt/delta 32 genotypes among 139 individuals (1.44%). PBMCs from these 2 heterozygous individuals were also found to be less susceptible to in vitro infection by an M-tropic HIV-1 primary isolate. The following were conclusions: Evidence was found of an increased prevalence of the CCR5wt/delta 32 genotype in a high-risk HIV-seronegative cohort in West Africa. Furthermore, reduced susceptibility to HIV-1 infection among heterozygous individuals supports a role for 32-bp CCR5 deletion in HIV-1 resistance.



Comment from the Stormfront White Nationalist Community:



In the mid 1990's, an exciting new example of intense selection against one of the homozygotes for a trait came to light. This stemmed from the discovery that some people do not get AIDS even if they are repeatedly exposed to the virus (HIV) that is responsible for this usually fatal disease. The people who are immune have inherited two copies of a rare mutant gene known as CCR5-delta 32 --they are homozygous. Those who are heterozygous apparently have a partial immunity or at least a delay in the onset of AID's. Approximately 10% of Europeans now have the CCR5-delta 32 gene variant, but it is extremely rare or absent in other populations of the world. There is a surprising connection in this story. The CCR5-delta 32 gene also provides immunity to a deadly disease of bacterial origin, bubonic plague. People who are homozygous for the OCR5-delta 32 gene variant are completely immune, while heterozygotes have partial immunity. It is very likely that this life-saving allele occurs as a random mutation and that it was selected for by the devastating black plague epidemics that swept over Europe beginning in the 14th century. During the first wave of plague, between 1347 and 1350, one fourth to one third of all Europeans died from this disease. Natural selection favored those who by chance had inherited the CCR5-delta 32 gene variant. Repeated waves of plague over the next three centuries resulted in an increase in the frequency of CCR5-delta 32 in the European population.





The Proof for the Development of AIDS






U.S. Public Law 91-213 signed March 16, 1970, by Richard Nixon states: "In the United States’ effort to 'stabilize the population of Sub-Saharan Africa' and thus, increase the national security of future United States, Nixon proclaims there would be 'explosive events' (relative to John D. Rockefeller, III’s oversight on the problem of African overpopulation). To date nary a single U.S. official will address the ‘peculiar’ public law that authorizes the United States to kill its own citizens and others in the name of the national security of future (White) Americas. If the United States is above board, then the President should take immediate corrective action to fully disclose this secret (Manhattan-style) program.


J. Craig Venter, Jr., holds the patent to the gene called the "African American HIV/AIDS Entryway." This is the same gene that early U.S. science used on African children in the late 50’s (CCR5 Delta 32 positive).

Another theory is that AIDS was developed by Dr. Hillary Kaprowski. Aids crossed from chimps to humans when doctors used their kidneys to prepare an experimental oral polio vaccine (OPV). Regardless of how it was transmitted, we can be assured it was manufactured in a lab by US and European scientists and used in bio terrorism.


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Where did AIDS come from?

Monkey meat riddled with SIV (TOM CLARKE)



(HIV’s ancestor common in African bushmeat) Nature Magazine 25 March 2002

In my continued quest to prove that HIV is a man-made laboratory disease ravaging Africa and Black and Latino communities, articles like the following confirm my suspicions of implantation for purposes of Black elimination on the face of this Earth.

It is ironic that people in certain African geographical areas, whose staple food source is monkey meat riddled with SIV, are now infected with HIV. White scientists who wanted to wipe out Blacks could have done it very easily by injecting the disease into animals knowing it would transfer to humans. That way they could never be blamed of purposely injecting humans outright.

According to the science magazine Nature more than one-fifth of the monkey meat sold in the markets of Cameroon is infected with HIV’s ancestor, SIV. The level and variety of simian immunodeficiency virus (SIV) strains found highlights the risk of new HIV-like viruses entering humans via bushmeat claim the researchers.

The situation in Cameroon is typical of tropical Africa. The traditional bushmeat trade has boomed as roads have penetrated the jungles. Urban growth has boosted demand for rare delicacies, bringing more people into contact with SIV. Two distantly related strains of SIV have already jumped into humans. The two types of HIV - HIV-1 and HIV-2 - originated in chimpanzees and sooty mangabeys, respectively. “Viruses jump the species barrier all the time,” says Holmes.



The origin of the virus HIV-1, the main cause of the worldwide AIDS epidemic, has been a matter of debate ever since its discovery in 1983. Its origin in wild primates-the apes and monkeys-has long been accepted, but the question remained-which ones, and how could it have been transmitted? The first question is answered by a report in Nature: Beatrice H. Hahn of the University of Alabama at Birmingham, Alabama, USA, and colleagues [from the USA, France and the UK] provide the most persuasive evidence yet that HIV-1 entered the human population from the chimpanzee, Pan troglodytes, our nearest living relative.

From their analysis, it is now almost certain that HIV-1 entered the human population from chimpanzees of the subspecies Pan troglodytes, which lives in equatorial West Africa, in Cameroon, Gabon and Equatorial Guinea, where the HIV-1 virus is thought, on other evidence, to have emerged in humans.

Chimpanzees, like many other primates, harbor simian immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs). These closely resemble HIV but appear to co-exist far more successfully with their animal hosts, pointing to an ancient association between virus and host. These SIVs are the most likely candidates for the virus “ancestors” of human HIVs. A source for the less common human immunodeficiency virus, HIV-2, in SIVs from the sooty mangabey monkey (Cercocebus atys) is already well established. Of all primate SIVs, chimpanzee SIVs most closely resemble HIV-1, and they had always been a possible candidate for its source. But until now, only three chimpanzee SIV strains had ever been identified, in a mere handful of animals, and the question of origin could not be resolved. This was partly because of the very low prevalence of SIV in wild chimpanzees, the wide genetic divergence of one of the chimpanzee SIVs from the others, and the presence of SIV-infected chimpanzees in parts of Africa outside the presumed regions where AIDS originated.



Three types of HIV-1 are found in humans, the strains M (the most common), O and N (which is known from just two patients in Cameroon). It is likely that each of these represents an independent transmission from chimpanzees to humans. Commenting on the work in an accompanying article in Nature, virologist Robin Weiss from the Windeyer Institute, University College London, and anthropologist Richard Wrangham from Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts, point out its implications for chimpanzee conservation and welfare. The greatest threat to the wild chimpanzee population in Africa is habitat destruction and hunting for food-bushmeat to feed logging camps and supply city restaurants.



References

1.Peeters, M. et al. Risk to human health from a plethora of simian immunodeficiency viruses in primate bushmeat. Emerging Infectious Diseases, 8, in the press (2002).

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Don't know how true that is but I do think the hatred for color people is very deep. Genetically deep....some type of connection we have that they don't have....you just don't hate someone for their skin color the way they do w/o it being something else

I know the trolls will come in here and try to derail but idc

Black people need to let Christianity go and adopt African rituals

Even Africans that are Christians still practice a lot of their native stuff

Conservative Christians would call it "secular" but they look at it as things passed down from their ancestors
 
Mr Marcus said:
Don't know how true that is but I do think the hatred for color people is very deep. Genetically deep....some type of connection we have that they don't have....you just don't hate someone for their skin color the way they do w/o it being something else

I know the trolls will come in here and try to derail but idc

Black people need to let Christianity go and adopt African rituals

Even Africans that are Christians still practice a lot of their native stuff

Conservative Christians would call it "secular" but they look at it as things passed down from their ancestors
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The main connection is the Melanin/Carbon/666 factor. Research melanin vs calcified melanin if you have not already.

A lot of them are racist mainly because they have been brainwashed to think their pale melanin deficient skin color is somehow superior to black melanin rich skin. These type usually cannot stand us and avoid us. Then you have the other group of racist who share these same views but also know our true ancient history and how they all came from us and our still salty we (Moors specifically)had to introduced hygiene and civilization to them while they were cool with living in the dark ages consisting of rampant illiteracy and shacking with animals in barns. This group will go above and beyond to destroy our history, deny us rights, support and/or inflict modern day eugenics, kill us, jim crow, create kkk, create aids, etc.

/G\
 
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When you guys get off HBCU campuses and actually talk to white people about race, (which is probably difficult because black folks always get accusatory and angry in race discussions so what folk don't want to talk about it, )you'd realize, ironically, most of these racial theories are just bs.

Here's a solid take from my years of actual racial conversation with white folk over the years, they say the same things:

one day they were running things, next day they weren't. That hurts to go from the unquestion top to having to explain your actions.

They feel America is doing more for the 'lazy Negro' than for them (false)

They feel they've worked hard, why should their money go to the welfare queens (Regan rhetoric, modern belief)

All they know is what the see on tv/Internet...it ain't good.

They've been taught they were superior because of skin tone, and it bleeds through to personality (not the younger generation, what with the sports and entertainment and all 'I wanna be like Mike' was a huge campaign for a bunch of reasons)

But, when it comes down to the come down, they know they need us.

Paul Bear Bryant 'gotta get one to catch one' after seeing USC win a national championship with an integrated team, The Bear invited USC down to Bamma. Bamma got killed, the SEC was intergrared next season.

It's a combination of insecurity x resentment.

People are forced to walk on egg shells all the time, plus they've heard the stories, they probably know a few black dudes, they know the consequences of being labeled 'racists.' Hell, you see it on this board. So when race comes up, they shut their mouth, even though they may have something real to say.

I challenge you, go talk to some white folk about race, get your nose outta of these slanted books or at least couple them with books from the opposite end of the spectrum and go actually talk to white people.

We're not going to 'solve' this race issue if there isn't an open Dialogue, if a white dude can't say 'you know what I hate about black people' without you getting angry, come back with 'you know what I hate about white people'. What type of dialogue can you have when amongst ourselves we can talk about how terrible worldstar is, but when a white dude says it we get sensitive.

That's the issue, y'all run from an Anthony type dude, silence him, but that doesn't change his mind, it makes him worse.

Now, I would love to know what a white person thinks about my breakdown of the general attitudes. We gotta figure out where it actually came from, some old women talking about penises ain't got the answers, she's Sway to the game.
 
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The main connection is the Melanin/Carbon/666 factor. Research melanin vs calcified melanin if you have not already.

A lot of them are racist mainly because they have been brainwashed to think their pale melanin deficient skin color is somehow superior to black melanin rich skin. These type usually cannot stand us and avoid us.
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Taking it a step further, we are lucifer. Once the devil was made into a literal figure, Supremacist had a collective figurehead to associate their hatred with, Black people being the result.
 
am1x90xnike said:
When you guys get off HBCU campuses and actually talk to white people about race, (which is probably difficult because black folks always get accusatory and angry in race discussions so what folk don't want to talk about it, )you'd realize, ironically, most of these racial theories are just bs.

 
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What's ironic about it? We've known that forever. They've just used them to oppress us for hundreds of years. 
 
The irony is trying to figure out white people by making a club exclusively for black people.
Anyone else does that we call it foolish.

I understand why HBCUs were formed. Important institutions for both culture and history, however, it must be admitted that these are schools of indoctrination. Anytime people self segregate (which is the general reason for the good of HBCUs, intelligent black folk learning and building with each other) there is a certain amount of indoctrination that will occur, from Fraternities to Country clubs. I prefer to think outside of any groups for fear of indoctrination, or loss of perspective.
 
am1x90xnike said:
The irony is trying to figure out white people by making a club exclusively for black people.
Anyone else does that we call it foolish.

I understand why HBCUs were formed. Important institutions for both culture and history, however, it must be admitted that these are schools of indoctrination. Anytime people self segregate (which is the general reason for the good of HBCUs, intelligent black folk learning and building with each other) there is a certain amount of indoctrination that will occur, from Fraternities to Country clubs. I prefer to think outside of any groups for fear of indoctrination, or loss of perspective.
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You do realize nobody is forbidden from applying to HBCU's?
 
What does acceptance have to do with what happens once you get there? I've meet white dudes that went to HBCU that say this same ish y'all be saying. But, just like y'all, my questions remain unanswered, which proves the shallowness of the whole ideal.

What exactly do y'all want? How would rebuilding Africa help the kid in Oakland?

These ideas haven't been doing much, Martin didn't preach them, Brother El Shabazz didn't either. It grew outta the Afrocentric movement of the seventies, black folk were struggling with racial identity and created this fantasy of Africa. I mean, of course the idea goes back further to the Garvey movement, and even further still to The American Colonization Society (ran by white folk but whatever), but these ideals of Black Nationalism through the promotion of African culture have not 'worked', it's baseless and useless and the idea should be shed.


Until we promote Black a Nationalism through American Nationalism, ie getting our confidence and history from the Nation we built, fist in dirt, chain on wrist, getting out heroes from the people who fought so hard for us to exist, getting our spirit from the accomplishments we made, then we will keep spinning wheels, fantasizing about a land that don't want us and most of us don't want to go to. Talking all this 'let's rebuild Africa' Cops is killing ****** in Missouri. You love Africa so much, be out homie, ain't nothing stopping you but you.
 
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