Blacks should get reparations for everything that occured between 1930-90s

Originally Posted by MoreUptempo

Originally Posted by kix4kix

You do realize there are STILL MOORS in africa right? That Muslims are still a great presence in Africa. I was commenting on the Dred Scott case aspect, and how legally we were found to have no rights- famous MN court case. 
Of course you and Anton conveniently misquote his statement, by saying that he is saying all slaves were moors.'

AND THE CASE HAS NEVER BEEN OVERTURNED BY THE WAY.

My argument is invalid? 
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 what argument is this btw?
I was referring to the other guy's argument, not yours. Yes, of course there are still Moors in Africa, but this dude makes it seem as though every single slave brought to America was a Moor and that all African-Americans are Moorish. That's just not true. If he meant to say something else, maybe he should have taken five minutes to present his ideas a bit more clearly. 
I understand that Dred Scott has never been explicitly overturned, but it has been implicitly overturned by the 13th and 14th amendments and that's all that matters. Nobody actually believes that the SCOTUS still uses Dred Scott as precedent, I mean cmon. That's just ignorant, on some conspiracy theorist type *+%%.


The original African slaves brought to America were from North East Africa in present day Libya/ Egypt, who were the lost children of Isreal kicked out in biblical times, we cannot get reparations until we know our true ancestry
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Originally Posted by MoreUptempo

Originally Posted by DAYTONA 5000

Originally Posted by MoreUptempo

Daytona 5K, you said you wanted to hear it. Scope the end of P16 bruh, what say you

CurbYourEnthusiam pretty much nailed it earlier on in the thread. Read the 1st reply on 14.
I understand what CYE is saying, but I'm not trying to say that any other applicant (underrepresented minority) is preventing fellow applicants (white, asian, and/or other overrepresented demographic) from gaining admission. I'm trying to highlight the fact that the evaluation criteria is completely different. The admission officers are subjecting different people to different standards (sweeping, general standards at that), without regard to personal circumstance in most cases. 
Do you think that's fair?
The evaluation criteria is different because the circumstances of the underrepresented minorities are (generally) different. Is that fair? No. But neither are the number of hurdles that "minorities" GENERALLY have to face in comparison to their counterparts.

Originally Posted by millionuppercuts

You're only embarrassing yourself. Europeans have been doing a lot better in life before they hired one slave from Africa. I see you already lost by giving every white man power over you by your way of thinking. 

If WHITE PEOPLE are THIEVING, CONNIVING SCUMBAGS what are YOUR OWN PEOPLE for SELLING you? Think about that for a second. I hear all this white people crap but it really sounds like excuses. That's just how it was, accept it and move on. White people enslaved other white people too. Ottoman Empire took over Europe, Asia and North Africa. The world doesn't revolve around Africa. I'm sorry you can't see that. I don't see Turkey giving back anything to the Greeks AND they took have control of most of their coliseums. What happened was part of history. If you yourself can't get over it, its never going to go away. 


Slavery that happened in over Europe =/= CHATTEL SLAVERY that occurred in America, though.
 
Originally Posted by DMoney82

@%$ up clown. I don't give a damn what you people say. I don't want a check or a handout but don't walk around like you don't owe us nothing. WHITE PEOPLE ARE WHERE THEY ARE BECAUSE OF NEGRO SLAVES. THIEVING, MANIPULATING SCUMBAGS DIDN'T HAVE TO SPEND A DIME SO THEY GOT TO KEEP ALL OF THE MONEY IN THE FAMILIES. YOU GOT FREE LABOR OUT OF US FOR DECADES! WHEN WE WERE FINALLY FREED WE DIDN'T HAVE !+% ! THEY OWNED EVERYTHING THAT WE BUILT FOR THEM! HIRED US ONLY TO WORK FOR PEANUTS AFTER THAT AND STILL GOT TREATED LIKE TRASH. THEY STOLE THE LAND FROM THE NATIVES AND ENSLAVED US. YOU CLOWNS WANA TELL ME THAT AIN'T TRUE? OH OK.

WHAT THE @%$ DON'T YOU IDIOTS UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT?? TRY TO MAKE ME SOUND LIKE THE BAD GUY OR IDIOT BUT IT IS THE TRUTH. YOU WANA OVERLOOK IT OR QUOTE ME WITH A STONEFACE. @%$ OUTA HERE!!!

MOTHER @%$ ALL YOU



Yes, I see now why we "thieving, manipulating scumbags" shouldn't be racist. You've set such a wonderful example. I've seen the error of my ways thanks to your laudably coherent and articulate argument. 
 
Originally Posted by Galvelocity


Yes, I see now why we "thieving, manipulating scumbags" shouldn't be racist. You've set such a wonderful example. I've seen the error of my ways thanks to your laudably coherent and articulate argument. 
Is he lying though?
 
Let me go count all that money I have laying around from slave labor....Dude acting like all white families just got a secret stash thats been passed down. Like we are all the Vanderbilt's or something.
 
Reading through the responses in the thread
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Nobody deserves anything if this how people are gonna act
 
Originally Posted by DAYTONA 5000

Originally Posted by Galvelocity


Yes, I see now why we "thieving, manipulating scumbags" shouldn't be racist. You've set such a wonderful example. I've seen the error of my ways thanks to your laudably coherent and articulate argument. 
Is he lying though?
Yes! See what dude above me said! Not all white people now have money from the slave trade. That doesn't make any sense! And how is it okay for him to be super racist? How can you sit there and tear white  people apart for being these terrible racists, when you see somebody like me making coherent, non-racist arguments, and then this dude spouts off a bunch of bigoted nonsense? Clearly, white people aren't the only racists.
I'm not saying that none of this stuff happened. Previous generations of white people were a-holes, yes. We've acknowledged this. But other races have enslaved people too and no one says a damn word about that because everybody loves vilifying white people. I don't even care that things are like that because I know I'm not racist, so F what everybody thinks about white people. 

And one more thing, you want these 'reparations' to even things up, right? To make us pay for what we did to you centuries ago. So things would be cool between our races if we paid you? I know for SURE, if I was ever a billionaire, and I said "I'm willing to donate 500 mill to this 'reparations' ridiculousness, PROVIDED that it officially calls a truce and makes us even. If even ONE person continues to spout this 'white entitlement' garbage, or continues to say that we haven't made amends for what we did, EVERYONE gives my money back." I'd have my money back within a week at the latest. White people are going to be the villain forever no matter what. I think that's clear by the way that you guys are blaming my generation for things that happened a billion years ago even though I haven't seen a DIME of slave trade money. 

I'm officially done arguing with you guys. I respectfully disagree with your viewpoints, and I wish that you didn't have the attitude you do toward my skin color. Try to remember how it makes you feel when people assume you're a terrible person because you're black. I'm not replying anymore, so don't bother being like 'oh she's not replying because she's a white coward and knows we're right". Really, I just know that I'm garbage to you no matter what intelligent, respectful arguments I try to make because the people in this thread are the ones who are bigots. 
 
See this is why I had to make a time period because the whole topic of slavery is so muddy, slavery happened way to long ago to have any true accurate information. Can we please bring this time frame back to post-civil war.
 
Originally Posted by Galvelocity

Originally Posted by DAYTONA 5000

Originally Posted by Galvelocity


Yes, I see now why we "thieving, manipulating scumbags" shouldn't be racist. You've set such a wonderful example. I've seen the error of my ways thanks to your laudably coherent and articulate argument. 
Is he lying though?
Yes! See what dude above me said! Not all white people now have money from the slave trade. That doesn't make any sense! And how is it okay for him to be super racist? How can you sit there and tear white  people apart for being these terrible racists, when you see somebody like me making coherent, non-racist arguments, and then this dude spouts off a bunch of bigoted nonsense? Clearly, white people aren't the only racists.
I'm not saying that none of this stuff happened. Previous generations of white people were a-holes, yes. We've acknowledged this. But other races have enslaved people too and no one says a damn word about that because everybody loves vilifying white people. I don't even care that things are like that because I know I'm not racist, so F what everybody thinks about white people. 

And one more thing, you want these 'reparations' to even things up, right? To make us pay for what we did to you centuries ago. So things would be cool between our races if we paid you? I know for SURE, if I was ever a billionaire, and I said "I'm willing to donate 500 mill to this 'reparations' ridiculousness, PROVIDED that it officially calls a truce and makes us even. If even ONE person continues to spout this 'white entitlement' garbage, or continues to say that we haven't made amends for what we did, EVERYONE gives my money back." I'd have my money back within a week at the latest. White people are going to be the villain forever no matter what. I think that's clear by the way that you guys are blaming my generation for things that happened a billion years ago even though I haven't seen a DIME of slave trade money. 

I'm officially done arguing with you guys. I respectfully disagree with your viewpoints, and I wish that you didn't have the attitude you do toward my skin color. Try to remember how it makes you feel when people assume you're a terrible person because you're black. I'm not replying anymore, so don't bother being like 'oh she's not replying because she's a white coward and knows we're right". Really, I just know that I'm garbage to you no matter what intelligent, respectful arguments I try to make because the people in this thread are the ones who are bigots. 

DMoney is OBVIOUSLY talking about the "thieving, manipulating scumbags" WHO ACTIVELY PARTICIPATED in the slave trade. You keep taking everything personally. But would he lying had he said that white people benefited in the past and continue to benefit today off the enslavement and subjugation of black africans?

Yes other races enslaved people also, but was it the same as the chattel slavery that existed in America? Was there as concerted an effort to dehumanize, degrade and demean those slaves as there was towards blacks? Did they make every attempt to try to strip them of their identity & culture, history, and knowledge of self? Did they make a calculated effort to humiliate, oppress them mentally, and shatter their psyche? Destroy their family structure? Set a system in place to keep them entirely dependent on them despite setting them "free"? Oh.

And yes you nailed it right on the head. We I mean I (since I can't speak for everyone) want "reparations" as a form of payback. I want to see the judicial system reformed so blacks aren't disproportionately incarcerated in comparison to their white counterparts, the end of the constant portrayal of blacks in a negative light in the media, and an overhaul to the inadequate school/ and healthcare systems in our communities, just so I can stick it white people. You're absolutely right.
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You keep playing this "woe is me card". Talking about "You think I'm garbage when I don't have a racist bone in my body. I haven't benefited at all from slavery
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" Even while you thrive in a system that was designed to keep you ON TOP (although you continually try to deny your white privilege). 
 
Originally Posted by Galvelocity

Originally Posted by DMoney82

@%$ up clown. I don't give a damn what you people say. I don't want a check or a handout but don't walk around like you don't owe us nothing. WHITE PEOPLE ARE WHERE THEY ARE BECAUSE OF NEGRO SLAVES. THIEVING, MANIPULATING SCUMBAGS DIDN'T HAVE TO SPEND A DIME SO THEY GOT TO KEEP ALL OF THE MONEY IN THE FAMILIES. YOU GOT FREE LABOR OUT OF US FOR DECADES! WHEN WE WERE FINALLY FREED WE DIDN'T HAVE !+% ! THEY OWNED EVERYTHING THAT WE BUILT FOR THEM! HIRED US ONLY TO WORK FOR PEANUTS AFTER THAT AND STILL GOT TREATED LIKE TRASH. THEY STOLE THE LAND FROM THE NATIVES AND ENSLAVED US. YOU CLOWNS WANA TELL ME THAT AIN'T TRUE? OH OK.

WHAT THE @%$ DON'T YOU IDIOTS UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT?? TRY TO MAKE ME SOUND LIKE THE BAD GUY OR IDIOT BUT IT IS THE TRUTH. YOU WANA OVERLOOK IT OR QUOTE ME WITH A STONEFACE. @%$ OUTA HERE!!!

MOTHER @%$ ALL YOU
Yes, I see now why we "thieving, manipulating scumbags" shouldn't be racist. You've set such a wonderful example. I've seen the error of my ways thanks to your laudably coherent and articulate argument. 
Oh ok. They were "thieving, manipulating scumbags". I don't have to dress it up and sound articulate, just keep it simple and sweet. It's how I feel, what I believe my man and I'm sorry if I offended you or anybody else. I have nothing against white people but that's what they used to be.
 
This thread should be locked. Blacks need to give up the victim role. It's old and tired.

BTW im BLACK.
 
Originally Posted by thenewjs23

This thread should be locked. Blacks need to give up the victim role. It's old and tired.

BTW im BLACK.

I made a thread about Black People moving on and stop crying about being the victim while back and got BLASTED! I mean torn to pieces. It is what it is, I don't want any handouts or reparations. I'm sick of all the "It's hard being black and they owe us, we were slaves". Even tho what I said in this thread, that's just how I feel but I'm sick of blacks complaining, we have so many opportunities now day and won't take advantage of them. Always angry and complaining about the past. It's over, Move on!


BTW I'm BLACK
 
Originally Posted by prymone

Originally Posted by 0cks

Originally Posted by Galvelocity

I am actually anemic.

 j/p man. Had to do it 

I agree that Americans owe a lot to the slaves that helped build their country. But lots of caucasian Canadians and Americans (in addition to other races) fought in the world wars to give us the freedom we enjoy today, and look how we treat them. A US vet commits/attempts suicide every 80 minutes and we owe them a ton, and I'm ashamed that we aren't doing better for them. I don't deny the struggles and horrible things that the slaves went through, but I disagree on the point where my generation of my skin color is being held responsible. All white people aren't American colonists. Unlike dude above assumed (since I'm white, presumably), my family didn't benefit from any of that brutality. Our family history goes way back to centuries of being dirt poor until we left Europe in WWII to come to Canada, where we worked in the coal mines and busted our butts to provide for our families. In addition, women had to fight to be heard for a very long time as well, and they aren't demanding compensation from every male on the continent. 

All I'm saying is that I think it's silly to lump a huge group of people together as owing you something when that may not be the case at all. I don't deny that North America wouldn't be the way it was without the free labor provided by the slaves and Asian Americans that were treated so poorly. But we aren't talking about the slaves. OP is talking about something totally different, and I think we're getting off topic. Reparations for slavery, yes. Reparations for assassinations and the like: hardly. Don't forget that among the same people you're vilifying as owing you something, are many people who have fought really hard for equality amoung races and genders and sexualities. 

I agree with funding the programs you're talking about to improve the quality of life of AA communities. I'm behind that 100%. The only part I disagree with is the part where you're discussing it as something that is owed to you as opposed to something that should simply happen because it's what's right. 

Edit: Sorry about the huge font, I figured with the amount of text it'd be easier to read.
In context I used the word correctly
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Contrary to what you said EVERYONE benefited from the use of free labor... the economical benefits this country enjoyed in its formative years are staggering... no slaves= no USA as we know it... also everyone else who sacrificed for this country sans NA did it voluntarily...
really? so being drafted into the war forced to be deployed is voluntary?
Since we're nitpicking... you and Gavelocity really want to compare conscription to slavery? One which is an element of a social contract and the other which has absolutely no meeting of the minds? Laughable
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And Gavelocity... let's say you arrive at your apartment building at night and the electricity is out, the hallways are windowless but thankfully there is a flashlight sitting in the corner which lets you get  to your door without a problem... later you find out that flashlight was stolen... wouldn't you at least acknowledge it was stolen? No one's asking you to give the light back (impossible) or pay for the flashlight (irrational) but at least admit that you benefited from it and stop denying... 

That's what you are doing with white privilege... it's an invisible backpack you get by default, pre-approved without request... all we are asking for is a backpack of our own... (FYI the backpack is NOT filled with cash, this is NOT about money)

BTW I'm BLACK
 
Originally Posted by thenewjs23

This thread should be locked. Blacks need to give up the victim role. It's old and tired.

BTW im BLACK.

yes and no.
maybe the government can just enslave the whites for a decade to even the playing field 
 
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at the reverse racism in here, and ridiculous proposals. Yea let's have the Government regulate the black image in the media, yet not start with rap music with is easily the most deserving of the "making us look bad" label, because you want to be able to thump to your Wacka Flocka. So let's keep that, just don't let them report negative stories involving black people. More Government dependency, what a great idea.

How bout an initiative be made, within the community because the Government won't nor do I feel it's their place, to quit blaming D. Whiteman for everything and take control and responsibility for your own life? People are literally trying to blame D. Whiteman for teen pregnancy and citing mind control? If you feel like "he" still has control over your mind and the way you think, that's 100% your problem and self oppression more than anything.

Most every community was oppressed at some point. They all have recovered from it, using generally the same blueprint; strong value of education, hard work, work ethic, smart decision making particularly with regards to money like sacrificing instant gratification purchases for big picture more important items and rejecting ideals that don't foster progress.

Inherent white values? Not at all. Millions of black people, African immigrants especially but African Americans too, have figured it out. 400 year "head start" be damned, Asians, Africans, Jews (which obviously are generally white) have all surpassed the achievement level of white people in America.

Best way to pay homage to the struggle of your ancestors, is to make it all worthwhile by taking advantage of the opportunities now afforded to us, thanks to them.
 
Originally Posted by Scientific Method

Most every community was oppressed at some point. They all have recovered from it, using generally the same blueprint; strong value of education, hard work, work ethic, smart decision making particularly with regards to money like sacrificing instant gratification purchases for big picture more important items and rejecting ideals that don't foster progress.
But we can't pretend the type of oppression is comparable to what Native Americans and Africans endured. Having to remain in the nation in which you were enslave/disenfranchised is really a tough thing to overcome.

As we spoke last week about this same topic, it isn't as simple as, live a clean life, drug free, value education, and work hard. Many of us are so poor and are just living to survive that none of those things are really important. Yes I know, they should be (in our unpoor goggles) but looking at it from those that have nothing, that is not a simple task. I know you never said it was simple but people throw it out there as if people can collectively turn that switch on and just get in the right lane. It is tough man, I know you understand that.

That is all I really have to add.
 
Originally Posted by newbuck

Originally Posted by DMoney82

Whites are only rich and powerful because of the negro. Period.

U can come at me or believe what you want but it's the truth. I don't even wana get into this because it is what it is but the whites will get theirs sooner than later.






I'M BLACK IF THAT MATTERS


Quoting this buffoonery just in case you want to be slick and edit it.
Thank you newbuck.
The first and most obvious retort to this argument/statement is that not all white people are rich.

Another retort would be that not all white people in the country were born here.  Many wealthy white people living in the present time were born elsewhere although they now live here.  A friend of mine who is white of Russian and Canadian descent lives a well off life.  However her mother was born in communist Russia and her father comes from a middle class background.  Both her parents had to work for their wealth and thus destroys the part of your statement: "because of the negro."

The third and fourth sentences only proves that you came into this thread with a closed mind and therefore with the intention to NOT learn something.  It is a shame because there are some really insightful people here who could really help you learn something.

As for the last line, race matters not.  An ignoramus is still an ignoramus, no matter his skin color.
 
Also remember that everyone with non colored skin wasn't always considered white. Irish and Italian weren't always considered "white." Especially since the Italians were known to have intermixed with the Moors.
 
Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

Originally Posted by Scientific Method

Most every community was oppressed at some point. They all have recovered from it, using generally the same blueprint; strong value of education, hard work, work ethic, smart decision making particularly with regards to money like sacrificing instant gratification purchases for big picture more important items and rejecting ideals that don't foster progress.
But we can't pretend the type of oppression is comparable to what Native Americans and Africans endured. Having to remain in the nation in which you were enslave/disenfranchised is really a tough thing to overcome.

As we spoke last week about this same topic, it isn't as simple as, live a clean life, drug free, value education, and work hard. Many of us are so poor and are just living to survive that none of those things are really important. Yes I know, they should be (in our unpoor goggles) but looking at it from those that have nothing, that is not a simple task. I know you never said it was simple but people throw it out there as if people can collectively turn that switch on and just get in the right lane. It is tough man, I know you understand that.

That is all I really have to add.

They were killing Jews in ovens and forcing them to work on concentration camps before executing them and piling the corpses in a hole, but it's not a who was treated worst in the past olympics, or shouldn't be. Point is, what can be done to make our present and future better. Holding a grudge and doing nothing with it other than use it to excuse anything in life that doesn't go your way or shirk blame for your own actions, is not productive one last bit. I got pregnant at a young age, D. Whiteman's fault. I dropped out of school, D. Whiteman's fault. I got arrested for selling, D. Whiteman's fault. He set me up. At some point, people have to take responsibility for their own actions and make changes for the better. It wouldn't matter how much money you gave directly to people or injected into the community without a huge change of mindset and priorities.
 
Originally Posted by goldenchild9

We will.

No need to argue about it on a sneaker message board.

Its in the works.
Don't leave us in the dark man. Speak on what you know, you can PM me about it if you don't feel this is the place
 
Originally Posted by Weekz

Originally Posted by newbuck

Originally Posted by DMoney82

Whites are only rich and powerful because of the negro. Period.

U can come at me or believe what you want but it's the truth. I don't even wana get into this because it is what it is but the whites will get theirs sooner than later.






I'M BLACK IF THAT MATTERS


Quoting this buffoonery just in case you want to be slick and edit it.
Thank you newbuck.
The first and most obvious retort to this argument/statement is that not all white people are rich.

Another retort would be that not all white people in the country were born here.  Many wealthy white people living in the present time were born elsewhere although they now live here.  A friend of mine who is white of Russian and Canadian descent lives a well off life.  However her mother was born in communist Russia and her father comes from a middle class background.  Both her parents had to work for their wealth and thus destroys the part of your statement: "because of the negro."

The third and fourth sentences only proves that you came into this thread with a closed mind and therefore with the intention to NOT learn something.  It is a shame because there are some really insightful people here who could really help you learn something.

As for the last line, race matters not.  An ignoramus is still an ignoramus, no matter his skin color.
You know what..  *#* it. You right
 
Originally Posted by DAYTONA 5000

Originally Posted by MoreUptempo

Originally Posted by DAYTONA 5000


CurbYourEnthusiam pretty much nailed it earlier on in the thread. Read the 1st reply on 14.
I understand what CYE is saying, but I'm not trying to say that any other applicant (underrepresented minority) is preventing fellow applicants (white, asian, and/or other overrepresented demographic) from gaining admission. I'm trying to highlight the fact that the evaluation criteria is completely different. The admission officers are subjecting different people to different standards (sweeping, general standards at that), without regard to personal circumstance in most cases. 
Do you think that's fair?
The evaluation criteria is different because the circumstances of the underrepresented minorities are (generally) different. Is that fair? No. But neither are the number of hurdles that "minorities" GENERALLY have to face in comparison to their counterparts.
Yes but we're comparing apples to oranges here. Your struggle was harder than my struggle, even though we're both minorities? It's subjective and based on absolutely nothing. 
My Korean neighbors in Koreatown (LA inner-city) certainly had to go through much more than my Black/Mexican-American friends over in Palos Verdes (LA beach suburb). You must surely agree the system is flawed, you can't base affirmative action on university representation. For it to be truly fair, it would have to be based on those socioeconomic factors present aside from university presence! 

I'm honestly just trying to say that reparations/affirmative action/any collective benefits must be very narrowly focused within reach of the immediately affected group in order to be effective. It worked for the Japanese because we narrowed it down to those who were forced into internment camps, with a standard deviation of one generation (I think). If we hadn't addressed the problem when we did, things would have only compounded and the problem would be very difficult to address at this point.

I just think we've dragged our !%!%* too long to tackle the issue of African-American reparations now, and it would end up being a $%%+*!%@ system just as the current state of affirmative action within education is.
 
Scientific Method wrote:
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at the reverse racism in here, and ridiculous proposals. Yea let's have the Government regulate the black image in the media, yet not start with rap music with is easily the most deserving of the "making us look bad" label, because you want to be able to thump to your Wacka Flocka. So let's keep that, just don't let them report negative stories involving black people. More Government dependency, what a great idea.

How bout an initiative be made, within the community because the Government won't nor do I feel it's their place, to quit blaming D. Whiteman for everything and take control and responsibility for your own life? People are literally trying to blame D. Whiteman for teen pregnancy and citing mind control? If you feel like "he" still has control over your mind and the way you think, that's 100% your problem and self oppression more than anything.

Most every community was oppressed at some point. They all have recovered from it, using generally the same blueprint; strong value of education, hard work, work ethic, smart decision making particularly with regards to money like sacrificing instant gratification purchases for big picture more important items and rejecting ideals that don't foster progress.

Inherent white values? Not at all. Millions of black people, African immigrants especially but African Americans too, have figured it out. 400 year "head start" be damned, Asians, Africans, Jews (which obviously are generally white) have all surpassed the achievement level of white people in America.

Best way to pay homage to the struggle of your ancestors, is to make it all worthwhile by taking advantage of the opportunities now afforded to us, thanks to them.

if you were really smart you would have something significant to add on other than the same sentiments in every post...you are no better than any hood dude if you ask me.... this type of context is all you ever use your intelligence to argue for.
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like shut up already with the roboticism...are you waiting for someone to tell you how out of touch you sound? 'Scientific Method' what the hell is wrong with you clowns....for the first time in our history we have the opportunity to secure our independence and  this is the kind of sentiment we get?

there is no question that we have every right in the world to express our nationality and to have desires independent of what is the acceptable standard of the dominating culture, because that is the true culmination of the American narrative and mans overall historic condition...a class of people separated by their class antagonisms in Europe separate to form their own society...we have every right to do the same from this vantage point in history....the white man has everything coming back to him in time.

black people in this country don't own anything...you can say whatever you want about how you feel about these issues regardless until we are included into the big picture things won't be right...thats why you have all the economic problems you do now....the math just doesn't add up...if you want to deny race is a factor, your in self denial as an individual...
 
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