Originally Posted by nestasprotege
I'm white and I guarantee my ancestors had it as hard if not harder than any single person on this board, regardless of race. I bet if every NT'r traced their ancestry like I did, they would have a different outlook on life. My ancestors were imprisoned, enslaved, murdered, left for dead, robbed and even accused of witchcraft.
If you are under 30 and still complaining about opportunity or equality, then I feel sorry for you. I dont know a single person who doesn't have access to free education. When you have access to free education, their is no excuse that I deem valid as to why you didn't succeed.
While it is free, it is the quality of education that matters. Hell me and a kid in somalia both have access to food. Doesnt mean the quality of the food is the same. Nor does it mean we will both have the same level of health. And while your ancestors may have had it hard (not sure if did or not, no way of actually proving it) Those hardships and prerequisites are imposed on you today.
Its like yes jewish ppl where treated bad and discriminated against. Keyword being WHERE. Alot of people who are saying things of past events that are no longer prevalent in this current day and time. Maybe your ancestors where accused and mistreated because of ignorance and differences, but that practice is no longer apart of your life.
I think what alot of minorities are saying yea for the most part pretty much every race (exception being caucasions) has had discrimination, injustices, prejudice, and inequality imposed on them. Its just the difference is that it still continues on today.
I can attest living through the jim crow era, the time of sundown towns, and while things arent the quite like they were. Things are more the same then different.
True there isnt any more sundown towns, well there are but far and few between. No cops for the most part dont chase you down and hose you etc for being in a certain side of town and arrest you outright for no reason. Instead now cops will/can justify it behind the law qith allegations and fake trumped up charges. End of the day its the same then as now just going about it at a different angle. Still getting the same results.
True upper echeleon schools cant just outright say we are not accepting you solely because your (insert minority). Instead they may say you must have attended such and such school, or must have taken such and such coursework, fully knowing that such a school isnt in the area where you reside, or certain coursework, classes arent available in the area in which you reside. So end of the day same result, just a different way of accomplish said goal.
Its not about are things are as bad as they were then. I mean i lived through all the various eras. Its not a worst or better thing, its a same thing just another method of going about doing it.
I also noticed alot of blatantly ignorance throughout the thread, and tons of generalization. Which only adds validity to what many are saying. Some people have stereotyped and pigeon-holed alot of ppl just on this website. And these are ppl you dont know, never met. Are ppl really thinking this type of mindset, train of thought doesnt occur in real-time? Out in the outside world.
To the guy who said negroids out to be thankful that whites rescued saved them from obscurity and a life of turmoil, and basically ungrateful. Do ppl really think there isnt a hiring manager out there in real life who has this mindframe and decides not to employee a black because of this?
No offense to ppl like scientific method, but he isnt the only person who thinks all these black ppl are lazy drink/smoke all day and dont want to accomplish anything in life. You dont think there is a supervisor who think this also, and sees a black or hispanic etc applicant and decides nah i dont think ill hire him, based on these preconcieved notions.
Alot of ppl say it but only very few can do it. And thats taking outside influences, prejudices, personal opinions and be completely unbias. Lets be honest here. For example if a man who is a devoted christian, and is deeply influenced and driven by the christ life. Lets suppose he is a hiring manager and a well qualified applicant comes in but he is a strong believer in atheism and thinks following god is stupid, and think ppl who do so is foolish.
Despite him being perfect for the job, chances are he wont be hired due to the hiring managers personal beliefs and influences. That is what happens all to often in society. Yes it happens to all of us. But it is clearly more rampant, and occurs more often for minorities then anyone else.
Not saying this is the case in every instance. But yea you have sorry lazy etc minorities. And yea some use it as an excuse and they havent gotten anywhere in life solely because of themselves. But for every flavor flav ignoramus who goes into life and dont succeed, there is a tavis smiley/cornell west who doesnt succeed simply because of the color of their skin, or preconceived notions, or prejudge views of them.
Alot of people ive notice on here are taking the bad worst case scenarios of certain minorities and lump summing them as the majority of said minorities and of the majorities. Not all minorities try their best or strive for excellence, and not all majorities are prejudice, racist, or are unethical. But when you have such a disparingly difference in amount of people it still becomes relevant due to the overwhelmingly difference in population in ppl.
To simplify it. Lets say 30% of whites are prejudice and wont grant opportunities to minorities. Granted 30% isnt a high number. But if that 30% represent 75% of the people in power then the other 70% of decent equality minded whites is irrelevant because they arent the decision makers.
Racism/prejudice/bigotry is and can only be imposed by a majority of prominence and power over a group of minorities who dont have prominence and power. Its like this there can be a company with 150 whites and 149 of them can be non prejudice etc. But if its one and he is the person responsible for the hiring and firing of employees. Then those other 149 really doesnt matter.
Thats the message alot of the minorities are trying to relay. Its kinda reminds me (since alot of ppl on this thread love fresh prince of bel-air) The episode where will gets in trouble at school for marking up the desk. Pretty much all the preps/whites etc love the addition of will at the school. And embraced him with open arms. But when it was time for judgement and punishment time all that was irrelevant because of the ppl in power, the decision makers (the dean and the members of the board) Felt different. All the cornflakes etc other kids opinions and beliefs really didnt matter. Cause end of the day the ppl calling the shots felt different and viewed his actions as not cool.
This type of practice happens in everyday life. What has happen in this thread is that ppl, have either ignored this fact, pretend it doesnt exist, or took it as a personal attack, or even assumed since they are apart said race then people most be generalizing and saying all are like this.
