Chuck Barkely talking about black people... again...

[Magic33]

Kinda off topic but it's funny how black people don't have a problem with the n-word, unless a white person is saying it.

I have a problem with it.

Some of you must not know any black people, because you make a lot of assumptions about what all of us think.

 

[Mark Antony]

Just look at them, always criticizing, deameaning, killing, hating on each other. No cohesiveness over there. Don't think because you take one side of this argument you're helping ****.

 

[sooperhooper]

what does him dating white women have to do with anything

 

[trynafeelmink]

Imo it's the same thing all the time... and it's black people feeling ashamed to be associated with "other" kinds of black. I would be lying if i said that this mindset doesn't exist in some places because it unfortunately does. With that said it isn't the norm & i'm sick and tired of people in prominent positions always saying things such as "this doesn't have anything to do with white people.

No you freaking idiot it does have EVERYTHING to do with white people. just think of everything that gets condemned by other black people and people always condemn the black man getting paid off it but NEVER the huge white corporation that pushes and retains this standard in all mainstream media.

Barkley claims that we are the only race who perpetuates being ignorant as being honorable (complete lie and despite what people may perceive that is not the Majority of blacks... at all) but refuses to acknowledge that there are white men behind these media companies, film, Music, Law systems that heavily influence the idea and views american society has on black people as a whole.

This isn't an organic brand new way of thinking and division amongst black people. It is a very strategic & structured infliction of hate and stereotypes thrown on the black community by those outside the black community and it continues to work.

I really have an issue with people who only concentrate on one side of the problem. I always hear about how black kids don't appreciate the value of school or "put themselves in the wrong position" as far as justice goes. but these same Intellectuals don't question why the school systems in poor neighborhoods are some of the worst in the entire world, they don't question why a justice system who is 90% white villifies and convicts young black men at a rate damn near 3-4 times more than a young white male.

It's like it's the cool thing to say the black race is stupid, or Lazy or any other disheartening and hateful thing about your own culture, but it's an excuse when you point out that the systems which shape the youth are all almost completely white & they never have to take accountability for the perceptions they create which are completely off base.

 

[hometownhero]

Charles was speaking the truth

Same Ppl with that typical negro mentality took offence

some of it was true some wasn't

the reason black people don't succeed is other black people is so not true it's crazy. 

 

[Magic33]

Imo it's the same thing all the time... and it's black people feeling ashamed to be associated with "other" kinds of black. I would be lying if i said that this mindset doesn't exist in some places because it unfortunately does. With that said it isn't the norm & i'm sick and tired of people in prominent positions always saying things such as "this doesn't have anything to do with white people.

No you freaking idiot it does have EVERYTHING to do with white people. just think of everything that gets condemned by other black people and people always condemn the black man getting paid off it but NEVER the huge white corporation that pushes and retains this standard in all mainstream media.

Barkley claims that we are the only race who perpetuates being ignorant as being honorable (complete lie and despite what people may perceive that is not the Majority of blacks... at all) but refuses to acknowledge that there are white men behind these media companies, film, Music, Law systems that heavily influence the idea and views american society has on black people as a whole.

This isn't an organic brand new way of thinking and division amongst black people. It is a very strategic & structured infliction of hate and stereotypes thrown on the black community by those outside the black community and it continues to work.

I really have an issue with people who only concentrate on one side of the problem. I always hear about how black kids don't appreciate the value of school or "put themselves in the wrong position" as far as justice goes. but these same Intellectuals don't question why the school systems in poor neighborhoods are some of the worst in the entire world, they don't question why a justice system who is 90% white villifies and convicts young black men at a rate damn near 3-4 times more than a young white male.

It's like it's the cool thing to say the black race is stupid, or Lazy or any other disheartening and hateful thing about your own culture, but it's an excuse when you point out that the systems which shape the youth are all almost completely white & they never have to take accountability for the perceptions they create which are completely off base.

It's because they don't know black people and only know us through what they see on TV, music and on Fixed News.

In their little pea brains all of us are alike, because that's what they're taught.

 

[trynafeelmink]

The reason is true but eventually the black ppl of today are going to have to stop using the generations of oppression to excuse the present.

Cause & Effect is about as basic a concept can get.

We have years upon years upon years, of being taught hatred of eachother, division, exclusion on how to accumulate funds, history of our culture, lack of family structure, lack of knowledge of health... and yet people think that's this is just a matter of black people not doing enough.

The same people who controlled and oppressed 50-100 years ago, control & oppress at an even higher level now and have more control then they ever did. So the cause is still exactly the same yet the effect is expected to change? it doesn't work like that.

 

[Mark Antony]

Imo it's the same thing all the time... and it's black people feeling ashamed to be associated with "other" kinds of black. I would be lying if i said that this mindset doesn't exist in some places because it unfortunately does. With that said it isn't the norm & i'm sick and tired of people in prominent positions always saying things such as "this doesn't have anything to do with white people.

No you freaking idiot it does have EVERYTHING to do with white people. just think of everything that gets condemned by other black people and people always condemn the black man getting paid off it but NEVER the huge white corporation that pushes and retains this standard in all mainstream media.

Barkley claims that we are the only race who perpetuates being ignorant as being honorable (complete lie and despite what people may perceive that is not the Majority of blacks... at all) but refuses to acknowledge that there are white men behind these media companies, film, Music, Law systems that heavily influence the idea and views american society has on black people as a whole.

This isn't an organic brand new way of thinking and division amongst black people. It is a very strategic & structured infliction of hate and stereotypes thrown on the black community by those outside the black community and it continues to work.

I really have an issue with people who only concentrate on one side of the problem. I always hear about how black kids don't appreciate the value of school or "put themselves in the wrong position" as far as justice goes. but these same Intellectuals don't question why the school systems in poor neighborhoods are some of the worst in the entire world, they don't question why a justice system who is 90% white villifies and convicts young black men at a rate damn near 3-4 times more than a young white male.

It's like it's the cool thing to say the black race is stupid, or Lazy or any other disheartening and hateful thing about your own culture, but it's an excuse when you point out that the systems which shape the youth are all almost completely white & they never have to take accountability for the perceptions they create which are completely off base.

It's because they don't know black people and only know us through what they see on TV, music and on Fixed News.

In their little pea brains all of us are alike, because that's what they're taught.

These guys don't have the capacity to see and understand the system. Finding the holes in the system and putting it on blast aides progress, what does blaming poor, uneducated blacks do? nothing. It's a ridiculous argument in itself :"Charles Barkley Slams 'Unintelligent,' 'Brainwashed' Black People for Holding Successful Ones Back " was the title of the yahoo article about this. What kinda sense does that make? what intelligent person would allow themselves to be held back? does Charles think he's intelligent?

 

[mr marcus]

Kinda off topic but it's funny how black people don't have a problem with the n-word, unless a white person is saying it.

because white people created the word w/ malice in their hearts. 

not that hard to understand

 

[Master Zik]

Kinda off topic but it's funny how black people don't have a problem with the n-word, unless a white person is saying it.

Nah, this is kind of a tired topic imo.

The reason is true but eventually the black ppl of today are going to have to stop using the generations of oppression to excuse the present.

Cause & Effect is about as basic a concept can get.

We have years upon years upon years, of being taught hatred of eachother, division, exclusion on how to accumulate funds, history of our culture, lack of family structure, lack of knowledge of health... and yet people think that's this is just a matter of black people not doing enough.

The same people who controlled and oppressed 50-100 years ago, control & oppress at an even higher level now and have more control then they ever did. So the cause is still exactly the same yet the effect is expected to change? it doesn't work like that.

Exactly what is the solution though?

It's like there's been generations of oppression to lead us to this current state AND? So now what do we do? You talking like there hasn't been any changes at all.

If you want to say those ppl are still in control (and I agree they still are more or less), then is there no hope? What's the point of even talking about it if you think the cause and effect isn't going to end? Also I'd say there's a stark difference in awareness and the progressive attitude of society as a whole given what's been accomplished up to now.

 

[offset pow clow]

because white people created the word w/ malice in their hearts. 


not that hard to understand

So why add slang to it & say its a form of endearment

Thats not funny to you, why try to change the definition of a white mans word instead of not saying it at all if you have a problem with a different race using it

 

[Magic33]

So why add slang to it & say its a form of endearment

Thats not funny to you, why try to change the definition of a white mans word instead of not saying it at all if you have a problem with a different race using it

I actually agree with this.

 

[Magic33]

Nah, this is kind of a tired topic imo.
Exactly what is the solution though?

It's like there's been generations of oppression to lead us to this current state AND? So now what do we do? You talking like there hasn't been any changes at all.

If you want to say those ppl are still in control (and I agree they still are more or less), then is there no hope? What's the point of even talking about it if you think the cause and effect isn't going to end? Also I'd say there's a stark difference in awareness and the progressive attitude of society as a whole given what's been accomplished up to now.

What's our current state?

The growing black middle class and more black people than ever graduating from college, or the prison population and what you see on TV?

 

[victor page]

Growing?

The middle class PERIOD is in a sharp decline...

 

[Master Zik]

Nah, this is kind of a tired topic imo.
Exactly what is the solution though?

It's like there's been generations of oppression to lead us to this current state AND? So now what do we do? You talking like there hasn't been any changes at all.

If you want to say those ppl are still in control (and I agree they still are more or less), then is there no hope? What's the point of even talking about it if you think the cause and effect isn't going to end? Also I'd say there's a stark difference in awareness and the progressive attitude of society as a whole given what's been accomplished up to now.

What's our current state?

The growing black middle class and more black people than ever graduating from college, or the prison population and what you see on TV?

It's progressing at a slower rate but it's not stagnant and while the media might have you thinking it's the 70s I'd say we're better off than that era.

But keep in mind just cuz I've said there's been changes and some progress doesn't mean I think it's all roses now. There's a race discussion that's been far too long ignored in this country and imo the state of the black community still needs to progress more for that discussion to be had.

 

[Magic33]

The point is, all you ever hear is negative, because it makes a better news story. And that's what they want you to hear.

Look at the broad and negative generalizations that are on NT.

You can tell a lot of white people have absolutely no interaction with us other than hi and bye at work and what they're taught. Yet in still, they know us better than we know ourselves.

 

[trynafeelmink]

Nah, this is kind of a tired topic imo.
Exactly what is the solution though?

It's like there's been generations of oppression to lead us to this current state AND? So now what do we do? You talking like there hasn't been any changes at all.

If you want to say those ppl are still in control (and I agree they still are more or less), then is there no hope? What's the point of even talking about it if you think the cause and effect isn't going to end? Also I'd say there's a stark difference in awareness and the progressive attitude of society as a whole given what's been accomplished up to now.

In all honesty the ONLY option right now is to either completely assimilate & become a sovereign state with our own systems and corporations or to continue to wait and hope that these next generations of the rich will be less greedy (something unimaginable to me).

But i do know playing catchup while every system is still designed in a way that keeps blacks at the bottom is literally a crazy concept. That is something they may take hundreds upon hundreds of years. At this point i don't know how much more blatant america can scream That they don't give a **** about their black citizens..

 

[tay1]

Barkley isn't right about anything. He simplified a issue, that he isn't intelligent enough to fully comprehend to explain properly.

Why are "some" black people anti-education, maybe that has something to do with generations of black people not being allowed to even read, and beaten if they did. Funny how 50 years is supposed to erase the previous 300.

A lot of people are putting their own hang ups in to what he said. You were treated differently or were picked on, because you were corny, different or didn't fit in. There were intelligent people who didn't. Kids got picked on for being poor, fat, short. It's what kids do.

This is what it all can be boiled down to. To admit that we don't have problems is foolish, but to expect an entire group of people to have their **** together in a short amount of time after having our lives controlled for the majority of time we've been in this country is ridiculous.

 

[Senoj]

You're acting like this hasn't been going on for decades now....

True but a lot of successful Negros who should be uplifting the community and working to instill a sense of self worth are instead running off to massa to let this unfiltered garbage spew from their mouths which basically amounts to "we is our own worst enemy" or some other blanket statement that refers to black people as a monolith. And then to see fools in here wholeheartedly agreeing with Charles Barkley, a guy who calls himself a dumbass and says he and other athletes have no obligation to be a role model. :x

 

[phuzzy badpheet]

Charles Barkley interrupts himself when he is speaking. Right wing White people find him to be charming, which actually means that they love for him to continue to talk, because it makes them feel better about themselves. 

Poor Black folk, we've done such horrible things to them, and they just can't seem to get it together after all of the freedoms we have given to them. Charles is so smart and brave to speak out as he does.

We like his kind of Black person, he knows his place.

Why can't more black people be like him?!

 

[airuphere23]

Main reason Barkley doesn't articulate this message to more of a predominately black audience is because seemingly it falls on deaf ears.

No, I don't disagree with his assessment of what successful and/or ambitious black people have to go through with their own race, just disappointing that this message is frowned upon just because it was stated on a white guy's show....regardless of who controls the airwaves, he articulated his point well enough that of course it'll offend the people who he probably is referring to anyway...

Love Charles for being honest even under intense scrutiny..

 

[willzway26]

 
Charles Barkley interrupts himself when he is speaking. Right wing White people find him to be charming, which actually means that they love for him to continue to talk, because it makes them feel better about themselves. 

Poor Black folk, we've done such horrible things to them, and they just can't seem to get it together after all of the freedoms we have given to them. Charles is so smart and brave to speak out as he does.

We like his kind of Black person, he knows his place.

Why can't more black people be like him?!

This is the vibe Ive been getting from Charles for awhile, ever since the I am Not a Role Model commercial and esp w the Inside the NBA show.  Like, I can see him around all his white friends him saying this stuff and them agreeing with him, but never saying this around any of his black friends because he knows better.  I dont think he understands how white people take advantage of him "voicing his opinion."  I cant remember him ever saying something profound around a group of all black people.  Theres always a white guy around.  Not trying to generalize, but maybe it has something to do with him growing up in Alabama.

 

[thenewjs23]

 

This is the vibe Ive been getting from Charles for awhile, ever since the I am Not a Role Model commercial and esp w the Inside the NBA show.  Like, I can see him around all his white friends him saying this stuff and them agreeing with him, but never saying this around any of his black friends because he knows better.  I dont think he understands how white people take advantage of him "voicing his opinion."  I cant remember him ever saying something profound around a group of all black people.  Theres always a white guy around.  Not trying to generalize, but maybe it has something to do with him growing up in Alabama.

I don't think Chuck bites his tongue no matter his company. He has managed to piss off lots of folks, even Jordan and their relationship went back years.

IMO, he has point and I think people hate to hear what may be true. I am a witness to he is saying. In my 33 years on earth have been that crab in a bucket and pulled downed. I have even had this done to me by my own family.

 

[airuphere23]

This is the vibe Ive been getting from Charles for awhile, ever since the I am Not a Role Model commercial and esp w the Inside the NBA show.  Like, I can see him around all his white friends him saying this stuff and them agreeing with him, but never saying this around any of his black friends because he knows better.  I dont think he understands how white people take advantage of him "voicing his opinion."  I cant remember him ever saying something profound around a group of all black people.  Theres always a white guy around.  Not trying to generalize, but maybe it has something to do with him growing up in Alabama.

This doesn't make sense to me. Barkley has always been notorious for saying what's on his mind, but as a former NBA star, his opinion is usually reserved more for basketball and sports analysis...

When he gets on shows, it happens to be a white host. Based on him being as opinionated as he is, he gets asked questions sometime in a forum outside of just sports, and he speaks on it. To me, Barkley's friends already know what Charles is about, and the things he says on air, will have ultimately gotten back to any of his inner circle of friends, regardless of what color they happen to be..

Also, "coincidentally", it seems that most radio show hosts are whites. I'll reserve further comment on that since I have my own opinion on that matter outside of this one..but be that as it may, Charles never came off to me as fake or facetious. But I guess everyone has their own interpretation on things and people...

 

[soundview]

I won't write a whole essay about it, though. But basically, he's confused as to the real reason why. All I'll say is this, people see images and depictions through the media and THINK that's who/what they're supposed to be, when they're not. They think they're supposed to live a certain way or come up a certain way, which isn't true either. Media is the biggest influence of all time. Apparently so powerful, even this Barkley is brainwashed into believing Blacks are the sole demise of themselves. Black people ARE the partial reason, but to blame it on them in entirety is utter stupidity. I see it as, if you're not going to do anything to fix the problem, don't talk about it.

Also, I've never been made fun of for being "smart" or "articulate". I talk professional when I need to, and I don't when I don't. Simple.