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Please tell me this is a poor attempt at satire
Please tell me this is a poor attempt at satire
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Other than foxnews and other right wing media, I’m not sure what media is making a big deal out of trans anything
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Dave Chapelle is a rich millionaire that faced no serious consequences for his actions beyond getting criticized for it by some people, which included some teenagers.
Previously, he chose to go talk to students and give hear the criticism from them, he chose to mockingly fire back at them. He chose to raise money for the theater and he chose to not put his name on the building
Dave Chapelle is an adult with the agency over his actions and is having a hard time with the fact that people less than half his age view the world differently than he does. He has the right to be upset if something upset him but people got the right to not coddle him.
He could simply just not have gone to school, or not donate, or donate and put his name on it and try to move on. It is nice he did donate but he wants things a certain way, that makes him most happy, and he is upset he is not getting it.
I'm not gonna feel sorry for dude
Previously, he chose to go talk to students and give hear the criticism from them, he chose to mockingly fire back at them. He chose to raise money for the theater and he chose to not put his name on the building
Dave Chapelle is an adult with the agency over his actions and is having a hard time with the fact that people less than half his age view the world differently than he does. He has the right to be upset if something upset him but people got the right to not coddle him.
He could simply just not have gone to school, or not donate, or donate and put his name on it and try to move on. It is nice he did donate but he wants things a certain way, that makes him most happy, and he is upset he is not getting it.
I'm not gonna feel sorry for dude
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For years the right wing in america had been in a total retreat on LGBTQ issues.
They went from George W. Bush using opposition to same sex marriages as a key part of his re election strategy
to Trump holding up a rainbow flag at his campaign events.
and previous attempts at targeting the transgender population like bathroom bills
barring them from military service ect
were generally unpopular.
but now the most successful and effective civil rights movement in history
is for the first time in years seeing a decline in support.
The young are regarded as the most tolerant generation. That's why results of this LGBTQ survey are 'alarming'
Young people are growing less tolerant of LGBTQ individuals, a GLAAD acceptance survey shows, and advocates say a toxic culture may be to blame.
www.usatoday.com
why is this? have republicans become materially different,
did they suddenly rediscover homophobia after forgetting about it for years?
support amongst younger people the most progressive age cohort is going down, why?? have they become republicans?
imo
The media and many cultural institutions have uncritically accepted a bunch of weak, untested ideas
born in university gender studies departments
and have attempted to enforce them not through persuasion but by force.
- adopting contradictory and confusing language conventions
- endorsing experimental medical interventions with limited bases of evidence.
- creating a new minority status divorced from any material reality.
- treating any dissent as the pures bigotry
and naturally when you get far ahead of public opinion, you get a backlash.
and now republicans have seized on this backlash in increasingly absurd and sociopathic ways.
but you are fooling yourself if you think republicans created this,
they are a cynical and sociopathic force capitalizing on a alienating and increasingly insular elite discourse.
Dave's explicitly political statements in the special are essentially all supportive of transgender rights.
but it still was not enough.
and given that Dave's opinion is much closer to the broader public than many in the media.
and is still being framed as a bigot.
a backlash is inevitable.
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For years the right wing in america had been in a total retreat on LGBTQ issues.
They went from George W. Bush using opposition to same sex marriages as a key part of his re election strategy
to Trump holding up a rainbow flag at his campaign events.
and previous attempts at targeting the transgender population like bathroom bills
barring them from military service ect
were generally unpopular.
but now the most successful and effective civil rights movement in history
is for the first time in years seeing a decline in support.
The young are regarded as the most tolerant generation. That's why results of this LGBTQ survey are 'alarming'
Young people are growing less tolerant of LGBTQ individuals, a GLAAD acceptance survey shows, and advocates say a toxic culture may be to blame.www.usatoday.com
why is this? have republicans become materially different,
did they suddenly rediscover homophobia after forgetting about it for years?
support amongst younger people the most progressive age cohort is going down, why?? have they become republicans?
imo
The media and many cultural institutions have uncritically accepted a bunch of weak, untested ideas
born in university gender studies departments
and have attempted to enforce them not through persuasion but by force.
- adopting contradictory and confusing language conventions
- endorsing experimental medical interventions with limited bases of evidence.
- creating a new minority status divorced from any material reality.
- treating any dissent as the pures bigotry
and naturally when you get far ahead of public opinion, you get a backlash.
and now republicans have seized on this backlash in increasingly absurd and sociopathic ways.
but you are fooling yourself if you think republicans created this,
they are a cynical and sociopathic force capitalizing on a alienating and increasingly insular elite discourse.
Dave's explicitly political statements in the special are essentially all supportive of transgender rights.
but it still was not enough.
and given that Dave's opinion is much closer to the broader public than many in the media.
and is still being framed as a bigot.
a backlash is inevitable.
It is a bad analysis IMO
Like even the mechanics of it.
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back in the hazy past.
now today
now today
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This is an even worse analysisback in the hazy past.
now today
Like you are using a Trump campaign lie to as a stand-in for the entire GOP's views. Trump did foul **** in office. Caitlyn Jenner because a laughingstock for her support of dude in 2016, because everyone saw the scam coming.
Second, the GOP has been radicalizing across the board, it is not unique to LGBTQ rights. By your logic, progressive overreach also leads them to abandon democracy, get worse on climate change, and worse on racial issues.
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I can see, "Fat-Phobia" becoming the next movement. Soon folks won't be able to joke about that in a public space too.
Give it about 2 years.
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1. if their was political benefit in continuing to wage the battle against LGBT right Trump would have done it.
but there wasn't, it wasn't a politically salient issue in 2016.
we can haggle on how much republicans have retreated from Bush to now but they obviously retreated.
the republican party that was pushing constitutional amendments against gay marriage,
by 2016 republicans recognized it was unhelpful to talk about that stuff.
2. there absolutely has been a shift in the way people in the media talk about race and racial issues from Bush to now.
that is also generating a backlash from voters of all races.
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1-But he did wage war when.....check notes.....when he was in office. You are basically using a campaign lie as a stand-in for his policy choices. Trump's campaign lies are a stand-in for the views of the entire party. Then you compared it to policy choices.
2-Your point was about the Republican Party, not people generally.
I think people don't think about race live the most progressives of progressives, but CRT was around during Bush, and during Obama. Even if it did find limited mainstream relevance, the GOP's moral panic about it was disproportional to the problem. Chris Rufo openly admits and brags about this
I just think your analysis is flawed. You are using one population to make claims about another. That is bad qualitative statistics
I am inclined to agree that some progressives have gotten over their skis on some issues, not generally but on some points. I will argue that the mainstream normalization of some very progressive speech has had electoral consequences (I think we disagree on the magnitude), but I think the driving force of this has been from conservative Bad actors with billions of funding and larger platforms in an anti-democratic system are driving his, not a small minority within a broader coalition
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most of society isnt dumb enough to accept violent video games as a justification for gun violence
most of society isnt dumb enough to accept a dave chappelle bit as a justification for unequal treatment of trans people
dave could reevaluate a lot of his material like for instance his bit about raping women which im sure so many people cared about as opposed to understanding that theyre just jokes
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I disagree ONLY because that means fat men would be able to not catch it either and fat men will always get dunked on.
If it wasn’t for fat men existing I’d agree.
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my point was the media is contributing to a climate that makes opposition to LGBT rights a politically useful position to take and republicans are responding to this climate.
their political decisions I think are a totally reasonable proxy for what republicans thought about the political saliency of LGBT issues.
they lied in 2016 about their support for gay rights why because it was politically harmful do otherwise.
which was a retreat from 2008 positions.
evangelicals and social conservatives understood it at the time as a political retreat.
the GOP response is not proportionate to any problem, hence why I described them as sociopathic.
but that doesn't mean the initial backlash wasn't sparked by elite discourse.
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They've already done this by changing the vernacular to "fat shaming". Throwing shaming in the end of something has been the wave for over a decade now. Even if its just roasting and not bullying.
There's an active Lizzo thread where part of the entire obsession for her is that she's obese.
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Trump lied. It is known that Trump brokered a deal with the evangelical right's power brokers around the time of the convention to have a hardcore Evangelical as VP (someone who went after gay people in his state up until he left office) and would appoint culturally regressive judges. They knew they were getting their policy wins, so there was no reason to push back on Trump's lies when you already have him in your pocket.
In 2012, Romeny was hostile to LGBTQ rights. Conservatives went off about Obergefell, they tried on the state level to reban it (Mike Pence supported the bill in Indiana), they went on Fox and protested having to provide services to gay couples getting married, and they went nuts over bathroom bills. And even though didn't get to 51% public support, they still made it a salient political issue. Hell they are not at 51% now for their overall stance and that is not stopping them
I don't see a retreat ever happening, I more see it as the lunacy just accelerating at a quicker pace
I don't think Trump's lies outweigh all the ways conservatives seemed to be moving in the same direction
Dude so what? Ok, moral panic are built on a little bit of truth. But people have differing opinions on a whole bunch of stuff. This elite discourse stuff says little to nothing in reality
What is the solution here? Suppress the speech of certain groups in hopes bad faith actors don't act in bad faith
I just don't see the system functioning the way you do.
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Rusty and Osh gotta be sitting next to each other somewhere.
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romney was hedging gay marriage in 2012. his campaign recognized it as a potential political vulnerability.
whatever his position was and it certainly was retreat from george bush making it a central campaign issue.
I would say stop calling people bigots and murders because they don't 100% agree.
Stop trying anathematise dissent
and the news media should return to the normal level of journalistic scepticism when strong claims are made by activists.
but I admit the nature of social media might make this impossible to achieve.
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Also I feel like the media really needs to think critically about whether signal boosting the idea
that trans people are under constant threat of murder (based on a problematic statistic) or will commit suicide at a moments notice.
is actually helpful to people with gender dysphoria.
that trans people are under constant threat of murder (based on a problematic statistic) or will commit suicide at a moments notice.
is actually helpful to people with gender dysphoria.
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romney was hedging gay marriage in 2012. his campaign recognized it as a potential political vulnerability.
whatever his position was and it certainly was retreat from george bush making it a central campaign issue.
They, I'm not gonna judge the Republican position by some lies and mealy-mouth campaigning
Romney's campaign had major say over the party platform, and he included the usual rhetoric...
2012 Republican Party Platform | The American Presidency Project
www.presidency.ucsb.edu
A lot of talk about religious freedoms, activist judges, and protecting traditional marriage
I retreat in rhetoric IMO doesn't equal a retreat in policy position
The news media platforms people of all kinds of views, yes the platform people have strong progressive views (not as much as people think), and the platform contrast that disagrees, caring conservatives that disagree, and crazy conservatives. I would agree with media should be better, not just in this area, but their failures are not unique to not interrogating claims of trans activists. I mean look at this...
I would happily trade more inspection of the claims trans activists on certain subjects if they give more coverage on the lunacy of the right and not laundering Rufo's bad faith talking points in the name of "balance"
Because trans activists are not lying about how ******* nuts the conservative right is getting. This is a dude Trump endorsed...
Pro-Trump Candidate Calls for Executing Parents of LGBTQ+ Kids
Mark Burns described the fight for LGBTQ+ rights as a treasonous attempt to “destabilize the republic.”
I feel the progressives fill the airways with crazy talking points and conservatives are simply responding to that misses a ton of nuance and the urgency of the situation. And I think it is mostly wrong
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Me an Osh meet up at a Panera Bread every morning and try to come up with ways to fill up threads with back and forths to annoy you dudes...
Osh: "You forgot to put 'Miss me with your' before the first paragraph of the 2nd essay, b"
Me: "Why did you put their names? Find and replace that with 'elites' "
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DO any of you have your pronouns in your Email SIGNATURE?
If yes, what made you do IT?
I come in peace.
If yes, what made you do IT?
I come in peace.
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While both points should have been included in the article, I am with George on this one.
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Lol, I rarely see it in email sigs personally, but see it all the time on linkedin
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You're talking about most of society, but I'm talking about Chappelle being upset at who he is being associated with.
Two different things.
There's a reason Rockstar Games removed the hot coffee mod from the OG San Andreas, even though we all know it didn't exactly make more people have sex: they didn't want their game to be associated with a certain audience, they, didn't want the perception of their game to change, and they didn't want to become subject to certain media laws.
