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[Fresh Like Will]

Please stop fooling yourself.

Snyder was making epic trash. None of those deleted scenes or trailer scenes in the movie make it a better.

It was another below average story with just as many forced and fake dramatic dialogue he was gonna try to cover up with action and visuals.

The only difference with Joss was some of that was cut out for forced comedic lines.

Agree to disagree. I think they ended up homogenizing JL and made it less ambitious and generic.

New Gods, Motherbox research, Green Lanterns, a villain with a backstory, Kryptonian scout ship, Cyborg actually was supposed to have a character arc, and Zack loves to make connections to his past film like he did with MOS and BVS. Like the Black Zero scene in BVS, which I think is great.

 

[KingParappa]

Because she was originally pegged to direct Black Panther but was let go for creative differences.

She wasn't let go. She left.

 

[Master Zik]

None of those poor Zack ideas make the movie better though.

Just connect to past bad Zack DCEU movies.

 

[Master Zik]

She wasn't let go. She left.

Revisionist history in full effect.

Ava was never at any point the director for Black Panther. She was in talks and then passed.

 

[lamekilla]

She wasn't let go. She left.

It was a mutual split cause they weren’t on the same page.

Revisionist hostory in full effect.

Ava was never at any point the director for Black Panther. She was in talks and then passed.

Which is why I stated she was pegged to direct. Coogler was the choice after her.

 

[buschfan04]

No one ever wins arguments in this thread. No matter what DCEU does

 

[kickvicisous]

There is no "Snyder Cut".

Thats what I thought, Snyder didn't even get to finish the film so how can their be a secret cut. Unless I'm wrong which in that case makes me curious to see it

 

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[blakep267]

Thats what I thought, Snyder didn't even get to finish the film so how can their be a secret cut. Unless I'm wrong which in that case makes me curious to see it

I don’t k ow about “cut” but there are a lot of scenes that didn’t make it because Whedon had orders to keep the runtime down

 

[Master Zik]

Thats what I thought, Snyder didn't even get to finish the film so how can their be a secret cut. Unless I'm wrong which in that case makes me curious to see it

You're not wrong.

People are just assuming a lit of things from a few of the cut and deleted scenes filmed by Snyder.

But just on a surface level, a lot of ppl seem to like Snyder's trash style and think his movies are good. Then there's those that dislike Whedon's directorial style on top of that.

Damn, 2020 at the earliest.

 

[buschfan04]

There are a lot of scenes that are missing from the theatrical version. Most of them are probably Snyder’s. Idk if there is a cut but I bet you that he had a lot of his version done

 

[lamekilla]

People wanting a Snyder cut is hilariously ironic seeing that he and selfish 14 year old wet dream the movie AKA Batman v Superman is the reason why JL crashed and burned the way he did. Whedon was brought on to recesuscitate a body that had been declared dead a year earlier. His only fault was accepting money to emulate Snyder’s direction.

 

[Fresh Like Will]

 

[thegreatbean]

I think synders final cut would have at least been a better movie...cmpared to joss final version.

That sounds interesting that JL was gonna be another 2 part movie...like someone mention .....

 

[Fresh Like Will]

Just my opinion, but I don't think Zack was going to have anything controversial like Superman killing Zod or Batman going on a manslaughter spree with his Bat vehicles. The deleted scenes that were leaked were things like Flash saving Iris from a car crash (Which I think looked dope AF and is pretty heroic. It's def better than "brunch".), Clark on the farm, Batman investigating Parademons, Cyborg learning how to use his Mother Box infused tech, Cyborg in S.T.A.R. Labs, Cyborg creating holograms while the team plans, and Cyborg doing anything. The released deleted scenes have Supes on the scout ship and the iconic shirt rip to reveal the S symbol.

There's no way WB was letting JL have anything controversial in it. BVS didn't hurt SS or WW. Both of them over-performed. Who knows, maybe Zack had the entire league snapping necks and going on murder sprees in JL. There's a lot of factors that went into JL's underperforming. The general audience aren't as savvy as us. The average movie going family doesn't know who made what. It released during a terrible time wedged between powerhouse franchises. It didn't resonate with existing DC fans and it didn't resonate with the larger general audience they brought Joss Whedon in to appeal to. I saw Civil War with 3 different groups of friends in theaters. I saw Justice League with one friend. Nobody even asked me about it. Thor: Ragnarok, Coco, and Star Wars were the current hotness.

 

[lamekilla]

The thing is once WB got the final profit totals from BvS they FORCED Snyder to lighten up his story. He was never gonna tell the story he originally wanted to tell with JL whether he stayed on or not. Once WB saw that he couldn’t really deliver a movie that wasn’t a super saturated slow mo mess with no plot which JL was ultimately going to be I’m sure they were looking for any way to have someone at the very least assist him. His unfortunate family tragedy was WB’s outing and their fool proof plan for replicating the success of the shared universe team up movie called Avengers was to get the guy that directed Avengers to direct the movie with his vision. Only problem is Zack built the universe and started principal filming. You’re ready to say **** the guy but can’t smite him while he’s dealing with such a devastating situation. Joss was essentially eating the crust around moldy bread. Everything stems from the selfish film that was BvS. You only have one time to bring Batman and Superman together for the first time and you choose to base it off the archetypal deconstructionist comic The Dark Knight Returns?? How do you base a film that is meant to be a spring board for a continuity based film universe off of a one shot?? Hack Snyder for life.

 

[Master Zik]

Still doesn't mean Zack was making a good movie.

I go by his track record and all he's ever made is trash. 300 not included (or any movie of his I haven't seen).

If WB really didn't want another debacle on their hands they would've fired Snyder after BvS. Hired George Miller to direct JL (like they should've from the jump) and be done with it.

Right now, they basically have to blow up the entire universe to salvage any goodwill. Hobbling along with numerous wounds from past trash movies isn't how they're gonna reach a wider audience and gain a better reputation.

I've been saying for months they need to use Flashpoint as a mini reboot and just bring along whoever worked (WW, Flash, and I guess Aquaman) and ditch those that haven't. Well hell its looking like keep everyone but Batffleck for now.

If Flashpoint is not going to be that they need to hire a great director asap (even if its for one time only) and make a Crisis movie where they destroy and combine a couple universes. That way they can explain away why some actors are the same while others are different. Also explains the change in tone and feel of their movies across the board.

All this high praise of letting directors execute their vision despite the # of dropouts due toncrrative differences and yet they still have a track record of ups and downs.

 

[buschfan04]

Watchmen was not trash and MOS was not bad. Stop with the Snyder hate. It’s gets sad sometimes.

 

[Fresh Like Will]

They definitely changed the plan for JL, but I think Terrio and Zack were genuinely excited about the story they ended up with. Terrio had a quote from a couple years ago saying that after BVS, JL was always intended to "uplift". This is before Joss took the job. In the end, BVS made almost a third more than what JL did. WW and SS outperformed it too. I think Joss is given too much credit for the MCU. The MCU's brain trust and producers who cultivated the world are the real ones responsible for its success. Joss was a production worker working off of the blueprint. The Russo's are about to eclipse his movies in every aspect.

 

[lamekilla]

The Snyder hate is warranted for how he fumbled the ball with arguably the two biggest pop culture icons of all time in a film together. Of all the directors in the world he was gifted with the opportunity and look what he did. How can you see Black Panther cross a Billi and not look at Zack Snyder sideways?

 

[Master Zik]

Watchmen was not trash and MOS was not bad. Stop with the Snyder hate. It’s gets sad sometimes.

That's how I feel.

Watchmen was trash if you ever read Watchmen.

I've basically had to erase it from memory.

MoS is even worse. I know its easy to ignore the story for the cool action but as someone who isn't a big Superman fan and only ever really liked Smallville, MoS is a ******* travesty to the idea of Superman. So many piss poor ideas and themes applied to the character that basically seem like an attempt to ruin the character. All made by ppl who seemingly don't even like the character.

I still find it puzzling they tapped a guy who clearly wanted to direct a Batman movie to make a Superman one. Its like Zack really didn't give a **** and just said sure why not cuz it'll get his foot in the door.

Until Zack directs a great movie (regardless of genre) dude is on a string of trash movies in my eyes.

 

[lamekilla]

Now that I think about it, has anybody seen Rian Johnson and Zack Snyder in a room together?

 

[Fresh Like Will]

The Snyder hate is warranted for how he fumbled the ball with arguably the two biggest pop culture icons of all time in a film together. Of all the directors in the world he was gifted with the opportunity and look what he did. How can you see Black Panther cross a Billi and not look at Zack Snyder sideways?

I don't know about 2 biggest pop culture icons of all time. Batman, sure, but it's been decades since Superman has been anywhere near the top. Not even in comic book superheroes. But especially movies. Not with LOTR, Star Wars, Harry Potter, Back to the Future, Jurassic Park, and James Bond. All I ever hear is how "lame" and "overpowered" Superman is. DC, with the exception of Batman, has been the red headed step-child for a while now.

I don't disagree that Zack's liberties and unconventional take made it hard for BVS to be universally appealing. He's not JJ Abrams. He isn't who you get to make crowd pleasers. JL isn't even a Zack Snyder movie tho. They hit us with the okey doke. Wonder Woman was closer aesthetically to BVS than JL was. If Zack got to finish JL and it was Neck Snappas 2: What's Snappening?, then by all means, but JL underperforming is due to a lot of things.

 

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[buschfan04]

That's how I feel.

Watchmen was trash if you ever read Watchmen.

I've basically had to erase it from memory.

MoS is even worse. I know its easy to ignore the story for the cool action but as someone who isn't a big Superman fan and only ever really liked Smallville, MoS is a ****ing travesty to the idea of Superman. So many piss poor ideas and themes applied to the character that basically seem like an attempt to ruin the character. All made by ppl who seemingly don't even like the character.

I still find it puzzling they tapped a guy who clearly wanted to direct a Batman movie to make a Superman one. Its like Zack really didn't give a **** and just said sure why not cuz it'll get his foot in the door.

Until Zack directs a great movie (regardless of genre) dude is on a string of trash movies in my eyes.

I hate that. So you're saying because I say watchmen is not trash that I haven't read it? Get out here with that crap. Did you want a huge octopus on screen? I have no problem with the changes in watchmen.