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So is SS gonna take place after BvS?
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Yes.
Good.
I really don't get why some ppl like that twist and why it was ever written in to existence for any Robin to become Joker. Just lame.
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Thank god
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So Snyder considers Joker young 10 years ago, but I recall Leto imagining his Joker being unexpectedly old as hell (listened to 1920s music to prepare for the role )
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I have a hard time believing that Batman wouldn't be able to find him. I guess the Joker eamerges or something and that draws Batman out. I guess they can go that route, but I think they're just gonna ignore it.
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What the ****?
Leto doing too many drugs for this role. Rollin 20s music? Big band and ****? He's wild. Joker suppose to be over 100?
Looking the way he does doesn't even ... ahh never mind.
It has happened a bunch in the comics before and tv/cartoon.
The Joker always finds a way to escape or is in a situation where you think he dies but Batman never takes the time to search for the body.
I think that's something I'm willing to accept if they do it in the movies. Batman thought he was dead which is why the Joker is still alive.
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Did I just read up there that if Batman kills Joker the Joker wins? :x Who the **** cares? You know who else wins? Every innocent citizen in Gotham City that no longer has to live in fear of that maniac. Gotham has the worst crime rate in the DC universe. You can't have a killer Batman out there shooting John and Jane down, but then he specifically lets Joker live because Joker will think he won. 
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Joker always gets away. The Death in the Family comic ended perfectly.
Joker's helicopter crashes into the Hudson River, Superman comes to save Batman out of the water, Batman is screaming FIND HIS BODY! FIND HIS BODY! but of course they don't
"That's how things always end between me and The Joker. Unresolved."
Joker's helicopter crashes into the Hudson River, Superman comes to save Batman out of the water, Batman is screaming FIND HIS BODY! FIND HIS BODY! but of course they don't
"That's how things always end between me and The Joker. Unresolved."
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Again, batman killing in 'the dark knight returns' makes sense..
Robin being pissed at batman in 'under the redhood' makes sense
Guess what because of this movie, DC/WB can't do a live action movie for either of those until a reboot comes along
Robin being pissed at batman in 'under the redhood' makes sense
Guess what because of this movie, DC/WB can't do a live action movie for either of those until a reboot comes along
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It's the comic book argument. It's weak and based solely off some nonsensical morality under the circumstances. It has no place in the DC Murderverse.Did I just read up there that if Batman kills Joker the Joker wins? :x Who the **** cares? You know who else wins? Every innocent citizen in Gotham City that no longer has to live in fear of that maniac. Gotham has the worst crime rate in the DC universe. You can't have a killer Batman out there shooting John and Jane down, but then he specifically lets Joker live because Joker will think he won.
It's why I've always been for a Batman that kills in the comics though. Just so weak.
ExactlyJoker always gets away. The Death in the Family comic ended perfectly.
Joker's helicopter crashes into the Hudson River, Superman comes to save Batman out of the water, Batman is screaming FIND HIS BODY! FIND HIS BODY! but of course they don't
"That's how things always end between me and The Joker. Unresolved."
I feel that can be done just fine in the movies until they're ready to actually have Batman kill the Joker (or somebody else
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Nah, they'll just make changes like they always do to fit into their scripts.
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Given parts of this movie is adapted from TDKR and Batman has been active for 20 years they were never going to make a live action TDKR movie (unless that was set in another universe and even then I'd bet Snyder would argue against that given he went out of his way to basically try to make that movie here).
I'm not a big fan of Redhood or the Under the Redhood story. It has it's place definitely in the comics and it makes sense but in the end to me, Todd was just a lame duck Robin (in the long list of Robins) that the fans voted to kill. Of course his death only made Batman sad for a while and didn't drive him to kill. Todd didn't mean as much to him. In many ways he's Batman's Bucky (think the comics cuz Bucky was a teen there like Todd) and even then it's not like Batman stopped having sidekicks.
I'm not even sure if we had a Batman where Joker killed the entire Bat family including Alfred he'd be driven to kill him in the comics.
Of course there's always the option of crippling the Joker and all other crazy criminals but nobody wants these stories to end
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^ I can respect that..
But why I'm a fan and would have loved to see that play out the big screen.. Is the same reason it works in TDK.. Joker keeps poking and poking trying to get batman to break his one rule, saying as much
Robin being one of the jokers victims showing back up and confronting batman about the evil that is the joker and batman's unwillingness to put everyone out of their misery and finally off that fool.. That him trying to reasonably deal with the embodiment of chaos doesn't work
And I'd love to just see the dark knight returns on screen
But why I'm a fan and would have loved to see that play out the big screen.. Is the same reason it works in TDK.. Joker keeps poking and poking trying to get batman to break his one rule, saying as much
Robin being one of the jokers victims showing back up and confronting batman about the evil that is the joker and batman's unwillingness to put everyone out of their misery and finally off that fool.. That him trying to reasonably deal with the embodiment of chaos doesn't work
And I'd love to just see the dark knight returns on screen
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It's the comic book argument. It's weak and based solely off some nonsensical morality under the circumstances. It has no place in the DC Murderverse.Did I just read up there that if Batman kills Joker the Joker wins? :x Who the **** cares? You know who else wins? Every innocent citizen in Gotham City that no longer has to live in fear of that maniac. Gotham has the worst crime rate in the DC universe. You can't have a killer Batman out there shooting John and Jane down, but then he specifically lets Joker live because Joker will think he won.
Yeah that idea's flown out the window here, which is why the only reason I think Suicide Squad makes sense is if the government's had all these villains on maximum lockdown for a while now (And i'm assuming then that Batman hasn't always been killing and that it's an effect of the years, with Alfred's comment about good men becoming cruel and all).
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Anyways.. none of this batman talk matters, he's a simp now anyways..
WW gave him a couple looks and a smart*** line and he let her steal from him AND he readily gave up the goods on the rest of the JL
WW gave him a couple looks and a smart*** line and he let her steal from him AND he readily gave up the goods on the rest of the JL
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i guess this is the end of the movie right before batman murders the joker
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Batman killing doesn't bother me at all...
TBH, we don't know what he's been through the past 20 years - if he's always been that way or if he's just recently started doing it. For all we know, maybe he had just started murkin once Jason Todd got "taken out". Or maybe the events of World War Metrpolis changed his perspective...That scene where he saves Martha Kent, you got dudes literally shooting at his head, what would your response to that be?
I don't think they really go into it at all until the line where Alfred says "you're not too far from being one of those criminals you've sworn to stop" (something like that). So if you're going to play the assumption game, they hint that he just recently started doing it and getting extra violent.
TBH, we don't know what he's been through the past 20 years - if he's always been that way or if he's just recently started doing it. For all we know, maybe he had just started murkin once Jason Todd got "taken out". Or maybe the events of World War Metrpolis changed his perspective...That scene where he saves Martha Kent, you got dudes literally shooting at his head, what would your response to that be?
I don't think they really go into it at all until the line where Alfred says "you're not too far from being one of those criminals you've sworn to stop" (something like that). So if you're going to play the assumption game, they hint that he just recently started doing it and getting extra violent.
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Most don't have a problem with his killing. Its the selective killing thats an issue.
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Gonna finally catch this in an hour. I need to check the hype for myself before unfair judgement. More or less I want to see how Batfleck is.
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i guess this is the end of the movie right before batman murders the joker
Man I love the DCeU Batsuit
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yup, there is no reason for him not killing lex at the end too
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Coming from you bruh, this means absolutely nothing
this has nothing to do with dc vs marvel you silly fan boy. What I meant was that comics have always been full of inconsistencies. Characters die and get brought back to life all the time. Batman should kill the joker, sure. They'll just bring him back to life again somehow anyway. Can't keep the most popular villain in comics dead.'Because comic books.' I'll be sure to use that whenever someone says something negative about Marvel movies
Figured you were a marvel stan though, since you've been in this thread trying SO hard to **** on the movie.
I'll wait for your pseudo "I'm impartial and like all comics" reply though
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Open for interpretation, since nothing is clear cut with Snyder's story telling...but I take it as part of the message where Bruce says at Clark's funeral: "I've failed him in life. I won't fail him in death", showing he's changed somehow...
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you have yet to provide a single logical thought to defend this movie, just a bunch of nonsenseComing from you bruh, this means absolutely nothingthis has nothing to do with dc vs marvel you silly fan boy. What I meant was that comics have always been full of inconsistencies. Characters die and get brought back to life all the time. Batman should kill the joker, sure. They'll just bring him back to life again somehow anyway. Can't keep the most popular villain in comics dead.'Because comic books.' I'll be sure to use that whenever someone says something negative about Marvel movies
Figured you were a marvel stan though, since you've been in this thread trying SO hard to **** on the movie.
I'll wait for your pseudo "I'm impartial and like all comics" reply though
you probably wont address the numerous posts breaking down your nonsensical points either because you have nothing.
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but where in the movie does he get the idea that superman doesnt want him to kill people? he gets told to stop being batman once, other than that superman never tells batman why he doesnt want batman to continue to fight crime. logically how would batman come to the conclusion after never having a full conversation with superman that superman would want him not to kill people?
this is a superman who openly breaks the law and kills people.
