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nash played better d tonight on paul than morris.. thats a problem
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- Sep 11, 2004
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Gasol is so bad that the Clippers were running Isolations for Lamar Odom. When was the last time Lamar got 3 straight ISOS? 2008? 
:x
I don't think Gasol is tradeable anymore.
:xI don't think Gasol is tradeable anymore.
- Apr 3, 2004
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When oh when will you stop being a girl and turn into a women?
It's been 3 years and a lot of us are tired of this disappearing act.
- Sep 11, 2004
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that's because Morris is not a good defender like some people think he is
energy+athleticism does not automatically make someone a good defender
Dude is playing that Sasha Vujacic defense. It is a mirage.
He brings nothing on offense or defense.
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No issues with him or mjshoefanatic or japanair. But too many dudes have been coming out of the woodwork talking smack in here.
- Aug 2, 2008
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This team has heart.. At least some of them do.. Those who don't is why we couldn't win the game..
Nash, Kobe, Hill & Dwight all showed up big..
Pau was nonexistent.
MWP played the laziest I've seen him play. Absolutely no defense from him tonight. And it's not like he was playing Crawford, or Paul.
Meeks played like crap, but he has heart and hustles whether he's 12-12 from the field or 0-12
But as for Pau it's over folks. He has a great offensive skill set, but he can't even turn skill to results. He's finished.
He can't beat his man off the dribble. He wants to get the ball in the post, refuses to get to the post. When he gets it in the post, he just passes out. He often doesn't have the legs for an entire game. 3 days of rest, and he still plays tired. You would think if he can't play from the post he'd have a better midrange shot. Nope didn't improve it. BUT he'll take 3s. He can't consistently hit 3s. He can't consistently hit midrange 2s. He won't get in the post.
Then on defense. He gets beat off the dribble. He can't slid his feet. He can't play help D. He doesn't contest shots. He doesn't alter shots. He's weak on the boards. He doesn't box out.
With all that said, Pau is hurting this team. He hurts Nash's game, he hurts Kobe's game. And especially hurts Dwight's game. Dwight played great tonight. 21-15. I'll take that every night. And if we get rid of Pau, Dwight will get the ball more.
With that said. I don't want Bargnani for Pau. Our problem is defense. We can score points. Whether Pau is showing up or not. So we don't need a stretch 4. If you think Bargs is better than Pau, it's crazy talk. Bargs can shoot better. But he makes Pau's defense look like Gary Payton. And what frustrates us about Pau, Bargs does worse. So I have no interest in Bargs.
This is what I'm interested in
That was about 10 days ago.
So it's time for Mitch to search the 3 team deals and make a move.
I looked for teams that could use some offensive firepower. Wizards came to mind. They have a bunch of redundant guys at every position. Maybe the Wizards say Nay. Lakers don't, Raptors don't. Tweaking it may change the Wizards position. If not search for a different team.
Wizards get: Andrea Bargnani, Devin Ebanks, Earl Clark
Raptors get: Pau Gasol, Darius Morris, (Weak FIller from Wizards so they don't have more than 15 players), Future Pick from Wizards
Lakers get: Kyle Lowry, Trevor Ariza, Kevin Seraphin
Wizards get a new offensive look. And also a nice trading chip when Okafor's contract expires. And they have a lot of space. Same year Wall is RFA. Since it is Bargs contract year, and he's still young enough to possibly change his way, maybe they can get a couple of veterans and role players.
Raptors get rid of Bargs who they didn't see themselves going any further with. Pair Pau with Calderon. Pau is now the #1/2 option for that team playing Center
Lakers get depth, youth, defense, and someone to run the Point when Nash is out.
Seraphin is slowly developing on offense. But plays tough nose defense. Can defend the P&R and is solid team defender.
Lowry is both sides of the ball. Offensively he does everything you want. Defensively he's started to slack, but is still way above average. The 11 points more is also with a team with very little defensive presence.
Ariza is a good energy guy who will defend his heart out. Also can drive to the hoop.
This then opens up some minutes for Jamison as well. So when we need a stretch 4, we can play him. And possibly have Lowry, Ariza, MWP and Howard around to shut down the other players.
Nash, Kobe, Hill & Dwight all showed up big..
Pau was nonexistent.
MWP played the laziest I've seen him play. Absolutely no defense from him tonight. And it's not like he was playing Crawford, or Paul.
Meeks played like crap, but he has heart and hustles whether he's 12-12 from the field or 0-12
But as for Pau it's over folks. He has a great offensive skill set, but he can't even turn skill to results. He's finished.
He can't beat his man off the dribble. He wants to get the ball in the post, refuses to get to the post. When he gets it in the post, he just passes out. He often doesn't have the legs for an entire game. 3 days of rest, and he still plays tired. You would think if he can't play from the post he'd have a better midrange shot. Nope didn't improve it. BUT he'll take 3s. He can't consistently hit 3s. He can't consistently hit midrange 2s. He won't get in the post.
Then on defense. He gets beat off the dribble. He can't slid his feet. He can't play help D. He doesn't contest shots. He doesn't alter shots. He's weak on the boards. He doesn't box out.
With all that said, Pau is hurting this team. He hurts Nash's game, he hurts Kobe's game. And especially hurts Dwight's game. Dwight played great tonight. 21-15. I'll take that every night. And if we get rid of Pau, Dwight will get the ball more.
With that said. I don't want Bargnani for Pau. Our problem is defense. We can score points. Whether Pau is showing up or not. So we don't need a stretch 4. If you think Bargs is better than Pau, it's crazy talk. Bargs can shoot better. But he makes Pau's defense look like Gary Payton. And what frustrates us about Pau, Bargs does worse. So I have no interest in Bargs.
This is what I'm interested in
That was about 10 days ago.
So it's time for Mitch to search the 3 team deals and make a move.
I looked for teams that could use some offensive firepower. Wizards came to mind. They have a bunch of redundant guys at every position. Maybe the Wizards say Nay. Lakers don't, Raptors don't. Tweaking it may change the Wizards position. If not search for a different team.
Wizards get: Andrea Bargnani, Devin Ebanks, Earl Clark
Raptors get: Pau Gasol, Darius Morris, (Weak FIller from Wizards so they don't have more than 15 players), Future Pick from Wizards
Lakers get: Kyle Lowry, Trevor Ariza, Kevin Seraphin
Wizards get a new offensive look. And also a nice trading chip when Okafor's contract expires. And they have a lot of space. Same year Wall is RFA. Since it is Bargs contract year, and he's still young enough to possibly change his way, maybe they can get a couple of veterans and role players.
Raptors get rid of Bargs who they didn't see themselves going any further with. Pair Pau with Calderon. Pau is now the #1/2 option for that team playing Center
Lakers get depth, youth, defense, and someone to run the Point when Nash is out.
Seraphin is slowly developing on offense. But plays tough nose defense. Can defend the P&R and is solid team defender.
Lowry is both sides of the ball. Offensively he does everything you want. Defensively he's started to slack, but is still way above average. The 11 points more is also with a team with very little defensive presence.
Ariza is a good energy guy who will defend his heart out. Also can drive to the hoop.
This then opens up some minutes for Jamison as well. So when we need a stretch 4, we can play him. And possibly have Lowry, Ariza, MWP and Howard around to shut down the other players.
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Nobody said he was trolling. I just don't see why does he need to be in a Lakers thread and dude say some of the most obvious $@%. Yes the Lakers suck. It's like dude was trying to condoning on our losses and that @%@ is annoying to me.
- Oct 14, 2005
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Metta hasn't been the same since Pacquio lost 
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Homie, it's a public forum. I can post anywhere I want.
I've been posting in this thread for awhile now. Not because I want to troll around and trash talk. I do it, because you guys are a key franchise in the league and this thread is actually active.
Honestly, I don't like the Lakers. But I want to see them play competitive basketball. This season has the potential to be one of the most entertaining we've ever seen. That won't happen unless the Lakers continue to play this poorly. We were robbed last year of an exciting post-season because of all those injuries. I just want to see good basketball. Even if it means to see the Lakers playing well.
Sorry for posting that right after a tough loss. I get it. It's frustrating. Sorry about that. That's my bad.
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I have zero faith Mitch can pull another fluke trade. If the Lakers lose most of their games next week then something will have to be done or they may struggle just to make the playoffs. Do they even have a pick in this year's draft?
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Exactly. Dude is a scrub.
- Apr 3, 2004
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^^ All good. Now let us mourn this tough loss and horrible season so far.
- Oct 14, 2007
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I consider it an automatic TO, miss, or broken play every time pau touches the ball
except one or two possessions from time to time when he'll throw a nice pass
except one or two possessions from time to time when he'll throw a nice pass
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What happened with JCHILL? Only watched the 4th and heard he was injured?
Sprained right ankle
I know, and I yell at all of them. Including Laker fans.
Also, Pau is battling injuries guys, I'm not happy with him either, but not all his fault, he's like Bynum when he would play at %50. Some nights he has it, some nights he don't.
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What I posted wasn't a fluke trade. Raptors are desperately trying to get rid of Bargs. Even putting Lowry on the block instead of Calderon to get a taker and do a hard reset.
Wizards are the wildcard. If they say no. Then you shop to someone else. But I don't think Wizards would say no. If they can get another offensive threat while only giving up Ariza, Seraphin, a filler, and 2nd Rounder, they are better for it, and won't be any worse than they have been. I think Bargs would actually be better for them than he is on TOR, or in LA because of the athleticism of the guys around him.
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Hill: 19 mins, 13 pts (4-6), 7 reb
Pau: 27 mins, 2 pts (1-6), 4 reb
Hill better not be out for long :x
Pau: 27 mins, 2 pts (1-6), 4 reb
Hill better not be out for long :x
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Don't care.
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Doesn't seem like a worthwhile trade for the Wizards.
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I like this a lot, just don't try next time Paul
can i get a high res version?
i couldnt even watch the 4th if it wasnt for my dads funny commentary i would have shut it off.
they are playing horrible and im not sure what it is
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Why would Wizards do such a trade? Ebanks and Clark are table coasters. This theory is far fetched.
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I had faith in Gasol but it's slowly fading away...
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Essential, just cause a team is doing crappy doesn't mean they'll take every deal that makes them a fraction better
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What seems worthwhile to them anyway
I think it's worthwhile because they are not doing anything with either guy. In the next 3 years.
But say they don't like it with Seraphin. Plug in Singleton and Webster. And I'd still take it, and we just run smaller lineups.
So..
Lakers get Lowry, Ariza, Singleton, Webster
Raptors get Pau, Morris, DJO, Future Wizards Pick
Wizards get Bargnani, Clark & Ebanks
