Despite Obama "Why Some Americans Don't Have Reason to Celebrate"

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"We've finally arrived at a moment when America feels like it's supposed to." - Bob Cesca of the Huffpo (Wenesday, November 5, 2008)

This past Election Tuesday, Californians turned out in droves to recognize the rights of caged-chickens while denying the rights of gays and lesbians to marry. Passing Prop 2 and Prop 8, Californians secured a chicken's right to "extend its wings, lie down, stand up, and turn around" in confinement, while revoking basic democratic rights from gays; rights like equal protection under the law, the ability to pursue happiness, and the freedom to worship religion without state interference (that's right, there are Judeo-Christian confessions that view same-sex marriage as sacred). In short, Californians sympathize with chickens but not with gays. We Americans can all be proud of the prodigious progress being made. Americans, exceptionally capable of progressive change, have once again galloped forward. Who can doubt that this moment marks an ideological shift leftward? Indeed.

Sorry to be the buzz-kill at the liberal victory-party, but this election has been a historic nightmare for millions of gay Americans. In Florida, Arizona, and California propositions have been passed to amend state constitutions, permanently enshrining second-class citizenship into law. America has taken a tremendous step backward -- actively revoking rights granted to citizens by state constitutions -- though you'd never know it from most of the punditry and pontificating.

Drunk on Obama victory, commentators are busy idealizing the American electorate, waxing rhapsodic about the inherent goodness of the American spirit, the progress it has made, and its tolerant essence. Skim the titles down yesterday's Huffpost for gems like: "How to come down from Euphoria," "The Other Side of Paradise," "Exhale," "Real Shock and Awe," "Why All Americans have a Reason to Celebrate," and "Hitting the Reset Button on the 21st Century." Apparently nobody in the MSM has the stomach to parse words like "bittersweet," "hypocrisy," and "pyrrhic victory." It just does not jibe well with the supposed revival of the American dream that began this past Tuesday. I get it: anger and suffering isn't cool. It makes Americans uncomfortable. The victors do not want to hear about it; certainly not while they congratulate themselves for being so enlightened.

To be sure, this is not the media's fault. But its reticence on the uneven nature of American progress is strikingly naive and delusional, especially given the overwhelming--though not singularly determinative--role that African-Americans played in supporting Prop 8 and denying other Americans their civil rights. While seventy percent of self-identified gays and lesbians supported the first African-American presidential candidate (according to the exit poll reported by CNN), seventy percent of African American voters approved Prop 8, compared to 53% of Latino voters, 49% of white voters, and 49% of Asian voters.

The Obama victory was undoubtedly historic and groundbreaking, but it has come at a price: the aggrandizement and intensification of hostility between Blacks and gays. The irony is as ugly as it is heartbreaking. The betrayal gays feel can be summed up pithily: how is the outlawing of same sex marriage any different from the anti-miscegenation laws of segregation? Some may point to religious values as the discriminating factor, but "Christian values" were used to justify anti-miscegenation just as they are now used to justify the revoking of same-sex marriage. Hiding behind the Church, then and now, does not absolve anyone of their complicity in discrimination.

But the failure to defeat Prop 8 does not lie with the Black community or any other minority. It is the gay community who has failed to build coalitions with other groups. Wake-up call to gay leadership: We must form institutional alliances with other minority communities and start supporting each others interests. We are not going to see these groups support our right to marry if we do not make an active effort to support them as well.

Some gays -- mostly from the Boomer generation -- point out (correctly) that I am impatient. Progress, they say, is inevitable. Consider the historicity of a president-elect who freely and comfortably refers to gays within the first breath of his victory. We are a long way, they remind us, from the days when a president couldn't even utter the word "AIDS" publicly. Andrew Sullivan, who has been a fierce advocate of gay rights for decades, reminds us that "twenty years ago, equality of gay couples was a mere idea. Forty years ago, it was a pipe-dream." Try to see the forest for the trees. In the long term, history is on our side.
Well, as the cliché goes, in the long term we are dead.
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I hate that we took such a huge step backward on this front.
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We need to move forward as a people. Leave no man or woman behind. We're all created equal.
 
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some people need to be left behind. for instance, the evangelical Christians. those folks are just crazy, but you can't please everybody.
 
Dude we have a thread thats about this thats like 30 pages. We all stopped arguing and debating.
 
the only good thing that came out of all this gay marriage talk is i got to see Ellens wife(y) for the 1st time yesterday....i'll glady accept my late passbut
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Originally Posted by potus2028

Homosexuality is a taboo in the black community...what else is new?
I think the point the author was getting at is that in a year where the nation as a whole made so many leaps and bounds in tolerance andacceptance, we proved that our overall mindset is still as archaic and frightened as ever.

it wasn't so much a shot at the Black community, but the point is relevant and well noted.
 
For the love of God, stop comparing gay rights movement to the Civil Rights movement of the 60s. It's insulting.

You can hide your sexual orientation, I can't hide my race.

Apples and Oranges. The comparison is probably an additional reason why the Gay community does not get as much support from the AA community as they wouldlike. I'm sitting here thinking "are you serious?".
 
Originally Posted by ThrowedInDaGame

For the love of God, stop comparing gay rights movement to the Civil Rights movement of the 60s. It's insulting.

You can hide your sexual orientation, I can't hide my race.

Apples and Oranges. The comparison is probably an additional reason why the Gay community does not get as much support from the AA community as they would like. I'm sitting here thinking "are you serious?".


Okay you typed exactly what I was going to say. I think the gay community needs to find common ground with the AA community in a different way, instead ofapproaching them like they should know better and their struggle is the same when its not. I hope they get their rights though.
 
comparing sam sex laws to segragation laws ... ... ... ... ... ... someone post that .gif with the white dude in front of the presentation board and theletters HOFTG pop up
 
Originally Posted by ThrowedInDaGame

For the love of God, stop comparing gay rights movement to the Civil Rights movement of the 60s. It's insulting.

You can hide your sexual orientation, I can't hide my race.

Apples and Oranges. The comparison is probably an additional reason why the Gay community does not get as much support from the AA community as they would like. I'm sitting here thinking "are you serious?".


Church.
 
i'm black but this is when i have to say to say STOP USING YOUR RACE AS A CRUTCH. IT'S OLD, TIRED, AND A COP-OUT.

i didn't read the article but i can tell what it's about through the replies. the gay rights/civil rights movements aren't the same in thephysical aspect. but one relation that can be compared is the struggle to be recognized as EQUALS. i'm straight but w/ how ignorant some people are inthis country and how they act towards gay men/women, they may as well be colored people.

compare yourself and your struggle to theirs. you could be hung from a tree because you're black. imagine being tied to a roadside snow blocker andburned alive. and that dude had WHITE SKIN. how is your struggle different from any of theirs? and that dude that died was killed for being gay. hedidn't want to have a civil union be recognized.

it's insulting to me as a black dude that we still have our people and other minorities preaching this crap. to me, these people are no better than racistwhite folks. your opinions/actions towards gay people are no better than a klan member. people mention the civil rights movement, well you're suresetting the movement back by treating people the way your family was back in the day.

DEFINITIONS TO HELP SOME PEOPLE OUT:

[size=-1]Are rights held by individuals and groups derived from the social contract - the common consent of society at large to the rules under whichits .
[/size][size=-1]The privileges allowed by law to individuals that include free speech, the guaranteeof equality and the power to vote.

[/size]and my PERSONAL FAVORITE: [size=-1]Personal rights guaranteed and protected by the Constitution, ie, freedom of speech, press, freedom from discrimination.

so my question is, how is the gay rights movement any different from the civil rights movement? we fail to realize, the movement wasn't all about RACE.
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Originally Posted by HarlemToTheBronx

I hate that we took such a huge step backward on this front.
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We need to move forward as a people. Leave no man or woman behind. We're all created equal.
QFT.
 
Originally Posted by Frankie CALentino

Originally Posted by Deuce King

For the love of God, stop comparing gay rights movement to the Civil Rights movement of the 60s. It's insulting.


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An Injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere.
You choose to be gay, you can't choose your phenotype.
 
Originally Posted by khadafi252

i'm black but this is when i have to say to say STOP USING YOUR RACE AS A CRUTCH. IT'S OLD, TIRED, AND A COP-OUT.

i didn't read the article but i can tell what it's about through the replies. the gay rights/civil rights movements aren't the same in the physical aspect. but one relation that can be compared is the struggle to be recognized as EQUALS. i'm straight but w/ how ignorant some people are in this country and how they act towards gay men/women, they may as well be colored people.

compare yourself and your struggle to theirs. you could be hung from a tree because you're black. imagine being tied to a roadside snow blocker and burned alive. and that dude had WHITE SKIN. how is your struggle different from any of theirs? and that dude that died was killed for being gay. he didn't want to have a civil union be recognized.

it's insulting to me as a black dude that we still have our people and other minorities preaching this crap. to me, these people are no better than racist white folks. your opinions/actions towards gay people are no better than a klan member. people mention the civil rights movement, well you're sure setting the movement back by treating people the way your family was back in the day.

DEFINITIONS TO HELP SOME PEOPLE OUT:

[size=-1]Are rights held by individuals and groups derived from the social contract - the common consent of society at large to the rules under which its .
[/size] [size=-1]The privileges allowed by law to individuals that include free speech, the guarantee of equality and the power to vote.

[/size] and my PERSONAL FAVORITE: [size=-1]Personal rights guaranteed and protected by the Constitution, ie, freedom of speech, press, freedom from discrimination.

so my question is, how is the gay rights movement any different from the civil rights movement? we fail to realize, the movement wasn't all about RACE.
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QFT

You choose to be gay, you can't choose your phenotype.


and how the hell would you know if a gay person CHOOSES to be gay ?

I'm 100% hetero , but I in no way believe gays CHOOSE to be attracted to the same sex

that's about as ignorant a statement as can be made , especially if you're not gay
 
Originally Posted by Lazy B

Originally Posted by Frankie CALentino

Originally Posted by Deuce King

For the love of God, stop comparing gay rights movement to the Civil Rights movement of the 60s. It's insulting.


_files_images_2007_04_anti-gay-hate-crime.jpg
matthew.jpg
An Injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere.
You choose to be gay, you can't choose your phenotype.




So he willingly chose to die? You think people really want to undergo this treatment? Think deep if that for a second makes sense.
 
You can hide your sexual orientation, I can't hide my race.

im black...

i dont want to hide my face. and they dont want to hide their sexuality.

im straight....

id be pissed if i had to hide my straighness. they shouldnt be forced to hide their gayness.

if you were a political leader, would u hop on tv and tell gay people to hide their gayness...........

.............and tell them that since u dont agree with their definition of marriage that they dont have the right to get married

..............that they should not have the right to get married

............and that as long as you were in power, they would never ever have the right to get married?

..............and that you hope they never get the right to get married?
 
Originally Posted by PrurientSole

Originally Posted by Lazy B

You choose to be gay
It's always fun when people state their opinions as fact...
So true. I wonder if any of these dudes ever even bother to do any homework before they open their mouths (or in this case, peck on theirkeyboard).
 
Originally Posted by ThrowedInDaGame

For the love of God, stop comparing gay rights movement to the Civil Rights movement of the 60s. It's insulting.

You can hide your sexual orientation, I can't hide my race.

Apples and Oranges. The comparison is probably an additional reason why the Gay community does not get as much support from the AA community as they would like. I'm sitting here thinking "are you serious?".
The point is you shouldn't have to hide your sexual orientation.
 
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