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Although I wouldn't be surprised if it were true....It's pure speculation at this point. The article does not mention Air Randy at all.
Early Jordan Release INFO. Its time everyone knows.
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Although I wouldn't be surprised if it were true....It's pure speculation at this point. The article does not mention Air Randy at all.
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Yeah, ijap, that makes a lot of sense...NOT...
The fake sellers just grew a brain-stem, that's all. They know how to maximize their profits while maintaining an air of legitimacy. They know that selling blatant fakes will
A. Get them shut down.
B. Get them minimal profits.
They grew a brain stem and now know that they can maximize their profits by
A. Making their shoes from actual Nike materials using Nike molds
B. Selling shoes that the masses actually want and will pay extra to get early
C. Looking legit thus making it difficult for the authorities to pin down...it's because they don't have hybrid Jordan/AF1/Nike SB/Foamposite Frankenstein shoes for 59.99 but instead "Concord XIs" for 249.99 (a seemingly legit price) that makes them seem legit....
I mean, come on man....YOU of all people know better, and I can guarantee that YOU yourself don't buy from ANY of these websites. I've seen your stuff and I know how you get down, you definitely don't play around with these sites. So why not just spit the real and tell us how you REALLY feel?
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Thanks. After watching that video, I now feel like I got got off those early release Concords. Everything on the outside seems okay but clearly on the inside its a *$#@ storm. Guess ill just cop a couple pairs retail and keep these to wear and get scuffed up.
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The video nighthawk posted was crazy detailed. But every pair of shoes is different from the next, even pairs from the same batch. Some people who ordered from an early site might have gotten a "better" pair than his. Look at how Randy's Concords started "looking better" as time went compared to his first batch with the clear toes and Jumpman on the bottom touching the white circles. And look at the Black/Cement 3 thread. People bought them on Black Friday at malls with confidence, to go home and have their boxes fall apart, to have deep creases already, and to even have one shoe of their pair looking completely different than the other shoe. I'm personally a little on the fence about this whole debate, except for when it comes to certain shoes. Especially the 11's lol. The 11's from what I've seen so far are the shoes that, because they're the most sought after. Restocks on Space Jams and Cool Greys that sold out when they were released? Or early release sites that carry limited, special shoes like Doernbechers and the BHM 3's that when released sold out in the blink of an eye. To me those are just blatant. But some of their other shoes could just be "early run B-Grades" for lack of a better term? But from his video I can definitely tell he got one of the poorer pairs. Maybe it could have just been due to the fact that his CGs were from an earlier run, and at first JB had them make the CG with that softer midsole and they didn't like that so they switched to the more firm midsole, and the factories flipped em into profit instead of trashing em.
Idk though. I just think we need a lot more solid, concrete evidence. Seems kinda like more people are going off speculation or just following the opinions made by others. The only way we'll ever know the real truth is if we get into those factories ourselves, or frigging get a whole batch of pairs bought from authorized retailers and a whole batch from one of the early release sites and dissect each and every single pair lol. The truth is overseas!
EDIT 1: And didn't nighthawk even say that the air unit was a real nike one? o.o or am I remembering incorrectly? I watched it earlier this afternoon at like 1 PM cause I have SneakerFiles on FB.
Idk though. I just think we need a lot more solid, concrete evidence. Seems kinda like more people are going off speculation or just following the opinions made by others. The only way we'll ever know the real truth is if we get into those factories ourselves, or frigging get a whole batch of pairs bought from authorized retailers and a whole batch from one of the early release sites and dissect each and every single pair lol. The truth is overseas!
EDIT 1: And didn't nighthawk even say that the air unit was a real nike one? o.o or am I remembering incorrectly? I watched it earlier this afternoon at like 1 PM cause I have SneakerFiles on FB.
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THAT WAS A GREAT VIDEO. PROPS TO THAT DUDE FOR PUTTING MORE PEOPLE ON TO WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THESE SITES. BRINGS MORE LEGITIMACY TO WHAT ME AND OTHERS HAVE BEEN HARPING ABOUT.
THESE SITES ARE RUNNING THE PERFECT BUSINESS. NOT ONLY ARE THEY SELLING YOU AN INFERIOR PRODUCT BUT THEY ARE ALSO CHARGING YOU MORE THAN RETAIL FOR IT
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I'M ALSO GLAD THAT HE MENTIONED THAT UNLESS YOU HAVE BOUGHT THESE PAIRS AND COMPARED THEM TO AUTHENTIC PAIRS THEN ITS HARD TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE. LOT OF PEOPLE SPEAKING FOR THESE SITES HAVE NOT EVEN OWNED BOTH PAIRS AND COMPARED THEM IN PERSON....
I'M SO GLAD I GOT RID OF ALL MY EARLY RELEASE PAIRS IN MY COLLECTION.
THESE SITES ARE RUNNING THE PERFECT BUSINESS. NOT ONLY ARE THEY SELLING YOU AN INFERIOR PRODUCT BUT THEY ARE ALSO CHARGING YOU MORE THAN RETAIL FOR IT
I'M ALSO GLAD THAT HE MENTIONED THAT UNLESS YOU HAVE BOUGHT THESE PAIRS AND COMPARED THEM TO AUTHENTIC PAIRS THEN ITS HARD TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE. LOT OF PEOPLE SPEAKING FOR THESE SITES HAVE NOT EVEN OWNED BOTH PAIRS AND COMPARED THEM IN PERSON....
I'M SO GLAD I GOT RID OF ALL MY EARLY RELEASE PAIRS IN MY COLLECTION.
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^^ I agree that overall, aside from the super obvious fakes, they ARE selling the inferior product (aside from the people who just end up with horrible pairs after RD). I just wish that we could get an eye in those factories, or get on the inside with who is supplying these sites with the shoes.
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memphissfinest wrote:
I'M SO GLAD I GOT RID OF ALL MY EARLY RELEASE PAIRS IN MY COLLECTION.
THIS, feels so good doesn't it? Especially when we get it replaced by legit pairs.
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You guys have to realize shoes are different from Factory to Factory. As far as construction differences.. but they are so slight its hardly noticeable.
There is alot of legitamacy to what Ninjahood says.. I suppose most glossed over my long as discertation lolol because it had no pics.... but when it comes from the factory.. and is made with the same materials...
Its real. Just because the midsole feels different and the air bag is flat makes it something quality control catches and pitches.
Hasn't anyone ever heard folks complain their Zoom bags have bottomed out? Well thats because of faulty air bags.
Am I saying AR has great business practices? Not at all... but he has access to resources NO OTHER sites have... to produce alot of stuff.
There is alot of legitamacy to what Ninjahood says.. I suppose most glossed over my long as discertation lolol because it had no pics.... but when it comes from the factory.. and is made with the same materials...
Its real. Just because the midsole feels different and the air bag is flat makes it something quality control catches and pitches.
Hasn't anyone ever heard folks complain their Zoom bags have bottomed out? Well thats because of faulty air bags.
Am I saying AR has great business practices? Not at all... but he has access to resources NO OTHER sites have... to produce alot of stuff.
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i 100% agree. and to think that all release day pairs are of far superior quality to ALL early release pairs is just laughable IMO.
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Also.....
For people to think its fishy that sites show kicks before Nike/Jordan promotes a shoe......well these sites have access when production happens which is MONTHS before release.
Making over 100K shoes isn't a one week process.
Also as mentioned...folks got hip LONG ago.l
Pay poo poo wages... they'll make it up in other ways....
For people to think its fishy that sites show kicks before Nike/Jordan promotes a shoe......well these sites have access when production happens which is MONTHS before release.
Making over 100K shoes isn't a one week process.
Also as mentioned...folks got hip LONG ago.l
Pay poo poo wages... they'll make it up in other ways....
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Everything he said in the comparison video leads me to believe these "early release" shoes began their life in an official Nike factory but somehow made it to another unathorized factory to be completed. The similarities in materials but diffrences in construction make me think that somebody might only be getting un-constructed/partially constructed materials and building the shoes themselves in a diffrent facility. If the same workers were actually making "ER" and certifed pairs in the same factorys I would expect the glue to be applied in the same manner as the certified pairs.
I know a lot of people say they are made by the same workers, in the same factories. I used to think this too, but the differences in construction and glue application lead me to believe the people producing these are not the same laborers Nike uses.
Some way, some how they are getting their parts from Nike. The unfilled air bags are a dead giveaway. There is no reason for a fake manufacturer to spend the extra time and money on details nobody can see. If these shoes start out in a sanctioned Nike factory but make it out the door before completion; it would make perfect sense that an airbag exists but has not been filled because that is one of the last things to be done on the production line.
I know a lot of people say they are made by the same workers, in the same factories. I used to think this too, but the differences in construction and glue application lead me to believe the people producing these are not the same laborers Nike uses.
Some way, some how they are getting their parts from Nike. The unfilled air bags are a dead giveaway. There is no reason for a fake manufacturer to spend the extra time and money on details nobody can see. If these shoes start out in a sanctioned Nike factory but make it out the door before completion; it would make perfect sense that an airbag exists but has not been filled because that is one of the last things to be done on the production line.
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Actually air bags arent "filled in" at one particular point or another... they are pre-fabricated on their own and inserted during the construction of the shoe process...so it should have been placed in but it doesnt mean it wasnt faulty...
I wonder was the OTHER shoe flat as well.
I wonder was the OTHER shoe flat as well.
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yea because all the nike outlets are there just to look pretty?
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I truly cant believe what some folks believe is true.
Selling scraps to non legal entities which aren't authorized dealers?
Come on bruh? You cant believe that unless you are under the age of 15 and I know my sons dont believe that...
Selling scraps to non legal entities which aren't authorized dealers?
Come on bruh? You cant believe that unless you are under the age of 15 and I know my sons dont believe that...
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I definitely don't agree with the OP. I'm just saying we should wait for more concrete evidence. The video was great, but I think more pairs than just one need to be dissected. Each shoe has differences from the next, and each factory has differences in their productions also. I'm really appreciating NikeDealer's input though.
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Nighthawk's video is super informative. Anyone believing VMV INC. and these other sites selling b-grades is lying to themselves. Picture this: Chinese factory workers get paid jack crap to put together a shoe and many cant afford to provide for their families. So what's the solution? Creating 1:1 replicas, which is what these pre-release pairs are. There are a lot of 1:1 replicas out: fake designer handbags, fake designer shades, fake clothing, and the list goes on. Just about anything you buy can be faked nearly perfectly, even enough to fool experts. Anyone unfamiliar with the term, it's basically this: It looks exactly like the real thing but with minor cosmetic and constructural differences. They're made from real materials and made from real production molds but cut some corners to save a few dollars. And since Air Jordans only costs a few dollars to make, these only probably cost half to three fourths of the money to produce.
I hope this settles the debate on VMV once and for all. They got busted for these XIs, got busted for having a FSR of Freddy Kruger SB Dunks (one of the rarest SB Dunks ever, especially since it was scrapped), and a FSR of Ray Allen XIIIs. Also, people were wondering how Air Randy's Concords were looking better? Thats because he doctored his pairs with blue glue once he found people were catching on. And how is it that Promo Black/Cement IVs looked so close to the 99s instead of the CDP? Its because they used the 99 mold and just slapped a jumpman on the heel and promo production tag inside the shoe.
I hope this settles the debate on VMV once and for all. They got busted for these XIs, got busted for having a FSR of Freddy Kruger SB Dunks (one of the rarest SB Dunks ever, especially since it was scrapped), and a FSR of Ray Allen XIIIs. Also, people were wondering how Air Randy's Concords were looking better? Thats because he doctored his pairs with blue glue once he found people were catching on. And how is it that Promo Black/Cement IVs looked so close to the 99s instead of the CDP? Its because they used the 99 mold and just slapped a jumpman on the heel and promo production tag inside the shoe.
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I think you may be wrong about that.
I know the airbag is inserted into the shoe when the midsole is put together but I am 99.9% sure the gas is not actually injected to fill up the bag until the final production stages. This is why all authentic shoes with encapsulated air have that little hole on the heel under the insole. Its where Nike fills up their air bags.
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We'd have to agree to disagree as I've seen the process and most air bags are produced pre- construction and inserted during contruction. Albeit there are several types of air bags.. but access to airbags is almost impossible post construction.
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Even Nike gets audited. Beautifully said CWK. Always appreciate your info.
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Its funny you mention this. I think many have forgotten Kitty Pig and Promo Shoes. Both of these sites had the same EXACT picture quality as Air Randy's first site. And Kitty Pig had A-Grade fakes back in 2006-07. Many of their sneakers looked spot on appearance wise, even though their quality left alot to be desired. In particular, their XIs were some of the first fakes that really started fooling people. Dennis has been duping people for years, I can attest to that.
He can't come outright and start selling older models such as Black Cement IIIs and Black Cement IVs without facing accusations that they are fake. Solution? Give people the quality they want, but label them promo shoes. Isnt it funny that all of the shoes he has made promo versions of had terrible quality that people complained about? And the red flag should be the fact that has promo Mars IVs nearly 6 years later.
Trust me, Dennis is paying attention to people's wants from Nike and is flirting with the idea of bringing Nike Air back on Jordans. He is already pulling a Lu by doctoring legit pairs to look like rare samples (45 Concords anyone?). I bet you that soon you'll see Chicago Xs with either a 23 or 45 on the side.
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at all the dudes with low post counts coming out the woodwork to co sign op
i fail to see why this statement is relevant to this conversation. please reply so you can up your post count.
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