Originally Posted by MARTIN AND CO
LazyJ, I didn't mean to come off as rude, if I did I apologize.
I think people confuse myself and NM because we both speak a certain European language and we're both from Pennsylvania. He's from Pittsburgh, I'm not. I can't take anyone seriously who's materialistic and obnoxious lifestyle is funded by his well educated parents, and when people my screen names its a bit annoying to be honest, but I've learned not to care more or less.
Anyway, I understand entirely where you're coming from in regards to the freedom bit, but try starting a company anywhere else in the world where there isn't a 1st world capitalistic society. Here in the USA if you wanted LazyJ10, you could this very day go out and start a toothbrush company that perhaps helps people better clean their teeth, and the market decides if you fail or not. I see financial service firms as parasites to capitalism (yet they are seen as the purest form of it). They are pretty much entirely responsible for this mess, and yet its only they who can get us out of it to an extent. Also to be clear, I think I remember you being an accountant, and just to be clear I mean investment banks(and some retail)/private equity, etc more so than anything else. They don't create anything, just leach off of the trading of companies and assets that do (bud fox's father in wall street said it best). And yet, they are so necessary to fund companies' growth and development. Just like lawyers, I guess. They can protect the evil but also uphold justice...
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My thoughts are not at all based on Jacque Fresco's work (mentioned here as the venus project), but he embodies my emotions on our existence pretty well...
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Access to capital for capitalism is an overlooked variable often missed when applying the "rules" of capitalism. The notion that one can set up abusiness in the USA because they have a idea used to be an underlying fundamental. Now larger barriers of entry prevent this, and therefore they're noteven in the game of capitalism to determine if they win or lose. They've lost for the most part.
Financial firms are certainly exploiting the system for their own gain at the expense of others, however, they are just gaming the system created by aquasi-gov't entity, shills, puppets and others. Firms in other industries certainly do this, just to a lesser extent.
They've been blamed too much, because they're easy to blame especially given how vogue Wall Street is.
The government should have never, ever, gotten involved in trying to fund the American Dream. They had no business in trying to sell home ownership. You cansee the reminents now, where people are illegally profiting on the stupid $8,000 tax credit. When easy money is available, it gets abused. That was afundamental blunder by the government and easily one of the roots of the problem.
In terms of the financial sector, they provide a service, so by your example, service industries may be considered "exempt" from capitalism. However,they take on risk (sometimes exuberant) and technically harness skills and intangibles that people are willing to pay for (in various forms). It's likethe survival of the fittest, if you can't produce something of value (perceived, intangible, or tangible) that someone wants, you should be eliminated. The government hides behind the "too big to fail" scenario too much, however, you know damn well they hold GS stock.