buy it "just cuz it looks" is badge flossing...you're buying it because it a BMW instead of "im buying it because it giving me da most amount of stuff for X amount
of dollars" why do you think once these cars exchange hands da depreciation is ATROCIOUS? once da new car appeal goes away what are you stuck with?
Better off just ordering off the dollar menu. For the same price you get more food.
You don't get a toy, or apple slices, but you get the same burger and the same small fry, AND you get a large sweet tea. Can anyone tell me why anyone would want the happy meal over the dollar menu?
its like this B. BMW=iPhone. American Muscle = android.
I've owned a 4s when it first dropped in 2011 and traded it evenly for a Galaxy Nexus a year later. Now I'm due for an upgrade. Check the market value on both phones. The 4s goes for around $200 the nexus $50. Mind you, these are phones that were top of the line at the time. and yes the nexuus has better raw specs. If I kept the4s, I could be paying NOTHING for my next phone. But naw, I gotta take the depreciation hit on the nexus and cough up. Never again man, never again.
There's a reason I phones hold their value for so much longer
Leather is not a priority for many. I wanted a specific color, but it was not offered in leatherette.That's not a result of finances, but choice. The difference between you
In true form, you pick & chose poorly while negating 'da' facts you asked for. I don't have time to address this now, but I just wanted to quote this for future reference. You need to cover the loose ends on your Google searches as I left some space for debate, but you came back with only subjective banter...
its like this B. BMW=iPhone. American Muscle = android.
I've owned a 4s when it first dropped in 2011 and traded it evenly for a Galaxy Nexus a year later. Now I'm due for an upgrade. Check the market value on both phones. The 4s goes for around $200 the nexus $50. Mind you, these are phones that were top of the line at the time. and yes the nexuus has better raw specs. If I kept the4s, I could be paying NOTHING for my next phone. But naw, I gotta take the depreciation hit on the nexus and cough up. Never again man, never again.
There's a reason I phones hold their value for so much longer
BMW depreciation is the same as most American Luxury car brands tho. 07 5 series = 15k, equally featured 07 Caddy STS = 15k
If you're really concerned with a car holding it's value, get a Lexus. If you're about getting the most value for your money, get a Hyundai
And Chargers are CRAP everybody who drives and knows other ppl who drive knows that. You lease Chargers if you really want one, buying them is a headache if it's older than 2 years.
buy it "just cuz it looks" is badge flossing...you're buying it because it a BMW instead of "im buying it because it giving me da most amount of stuff for X amount
of dollars" why do you think once these cars exchange hands da depreciation is ATROCIOUS? once da new car appeal goes away what are you stuck with?
2005-2008 Dodge Magnum- All HEMI applications, all AWD applications and some 3.5L RWD V6 applications, year dependent
2005–Present Chrysler 300- All HEMI applications, all AWD applications and some 3.5L RWD V6 applications, year dependent All pentastar V6 applications
2006–Present Dodge Charger- All HEMI applications, all AWD applications and some 3.5L RWD V6 applications, year dependent,All pentastar V6 applications
2008–Present Dodge Challenger- All HEMI applications, All pentastar V6 applications
The only reason why the S65 & S600 retain the 5G is due to the fact that the 7G can only handle 542 lbs. of torque. Other than, I'm sure Google will lead you to several forums describing the 5G as "Ok", "Alright", "Dull Witted", etc...
Please direct me to stating leatherette is superior to real leather on an SRT8? Does this tactic work for you? Simply put, child. Leather is not a priority for many. I wanted a specific color, but it was not offered in leatherette. That's not a result of finances, but choice. The difference between you & I is that I can actually make those choices while you're in the background (from afar) telling me what I should do...
I see you're making proclamations again without actually looking at the actual lists & categories comprised within the International Engine of the Year Awards...
I own/lease several bimmers and you're telling me that in year 6, the repairs will substantially grow? Propietary parts are, of course, more expensive than universal parts to that of a Honda, Toyota, etc., but a money pit? Nope! Again, making false claims as usual. Take a gander at your coveted SRT8 & notice the distinct fluctuations in price...
I guess I'll address this as it's clear you're what I've always referred to you as.................a 'brochure' enthusiast.
(Considering you pick & choose what you like to respond to as the posts you dismiss completely obliterate the filth coming from your keyboard, I'm assuming this will be easy. Basically, you go for scraps as they're the easiest to refute.)
If you want to talk luxury, we can discuss the F10's much better weight distribution while having an elongated frame reminiscent to that of the higher-end F01. (i.e. They share the same platform.) This might be difficult for you to digest, but luxury isn't based on how fast you can go nor how many gadgets & trinkets you have. So you've said leather isn't standard 2-3 times already? We get it. If you would've actually been in one with leatherette, you'd notice that it does not feel cheap nor fit outside of BMW's reputation. If Coral Red leather came in leatherette, I'd have no problem opting for that so your rather ancient mentality on imitation leather is skewed. Literally, BMW's goal of upholding their heritage is founded on providing effortless features within a simplistic approach...
You did a nice copy & paste, but a longer list doesn't necessarily define a better vehicle. It's what we call 'compensation'. Anyways, let's reference some of that list. You're really going to compare the refined 8-speed STEPTRONIC transmission to that of the lackluster 5-speed automatic on the SRT8? We could also go into brake regeneration, micro-filtered ventilation, etc. if you want to take that next step. More or less, you simply neglect all the intricacies as you most likely are not subjected to things of a higher (more refined) scale...
Has the 392 HEMI won any significant awards lately? I'm just posing the question as the N20 (as well as an array of other BMW Group engines) cleaned-up at the 2012 International Engine of the Year Awards. I believe it was also in Wards Top Ten of 2012 as well. Looks like your big & bulky 6.4 is fluff in the grand scheme of things...
So you're in the Heights, but there's plenty of photos/videos of you & your surroundings that appear as if you're stuck in time/poverty? Makes sense...
The only thing I can say about you is that you're consistently inconsistent. I'd take the bet that you'll be repeating this nonsensical babble in 5-years trying to influence the new batch of NTers on how to live without having any actual accomplishments of your own.
For someone that has endlessly gone on a campaign in regards to European cars in terms of poor maintenance & reliability, you certainly have not done your homework...
If you stopped skimming through the Dodge line-up pamphlet looking at basic specs', you'd realize why Charger SRT8s simply do not sell compared to their counterparts... View media item 546608View media item 546609
You go find me a 2012 Dodge Charger SRT8 for 33 grand that isn't a salvage title. 12K in depreciation in the first year Shiit I wish it did depreciate that much because I would have one.
Value = Benefits/Cost. You have to understand that the customers perceived value is dependent on the prospective customers personal evaluation of all the benefits and all the costs of an offering as it pertains to them.
Not everyone places as much value on car specifications (engine performance & features) as you might. You are coming off as condescending with the whole "facade segment for da people who really ain't there" and "wanna feel like they there" talk. That's how YOU would feel if YOU made that purchase. The people actually buying entry level cars may not be "sacrificng" anything. They might have just evaluated their purchase in a different manner than you would have and believe they are getting more value with this car than the Charger or whatever alternative we are talking about that may have more performance benefits for a lower cost. Performance might not mean squat to certain consumers who just want to get from point A to point B in a nice looking foreign car with a recognizable brand name. So performance might not be a factor in the value equation for them.
Car companies aren't always trying to make the best performing car for the lowest price. They have to market their product offerings to a diverse array of consumers who perceive value in many different ways. They care about gaining market share and selling as many cars possible. I agree with you that the entry level luxury car is a different segment, and to an informed consumer like yourself, it may seem like a "facade segment". But some people just value brand over performance, and vice versa.
I'm not making an argument for either side (entry level luxury vs. loaded domestic of similar price) because it all depends on the consumer.
Of course ninjahood is starting a huge debate because we all know he has an ethnocentric viewpoint and if it isn't up to his standards and values then it's wrong. It's not wrong, just different.
Like I said though, you come off condescending when you try to rationalize others purchases solely on your perceived benefits rather than considering what they might get from it.
Are we having a debate on the cars performance? Or the car overall?
buy it "just cuz it looks" is badge flossing...you're buying it because it a BMW instead of "im buying it because it giving me da most amount of stuff for X amount
of dollars" why do you think once these cars exchange hands da depreciation is ATROCIOUS? once da new car appeal goes away what are you stuck with?
Pretty and ugy is all relative to the preference/taste of the person who's choosing.
See where I'm going with this?
Just cause you think the Charger is an 8, doesn't mean that the next man who's on the market for a car thinks the Charger is an 8...
If he thinks the BMW is a 9 or even a 10, and feels comfortable, AND can afford it he's going to buy it.
Why should they consider buying a car they don't want?
Because Ninjahood says it will hold its value? Because he said it does XYZ just like it? Because in HIS OPINION its a better car.
But your opinion doesn't matter to the person actually spending THEIR money on it. All they can do is respect your opinion, but at the end of the day, they are paying and they are driving it.
This argument is like a straight man trying to convince a gay man to start dating women. He might see where it is beneficial in some ways, but those benefits don't matter to him personally.
