FEDERAL PAY FREEZE TO BE ANNOUNCED SOON

[jumpman247]

Could this mean no bonuses ?

 

[dathbgboy]

I'll accept the pay freeze, just give me and my wife a gig that's payin $40k+/yr

 

[dathbgboy]

I'll accept the pay freeze, just give me and my wife a gig that's payin $40k+/yr

 

[rdon27]

Originally Posted by gambit215

I dont usually agree with rashi on most things but he has a point..........700 Billion dollars, thousands of troops overseas for NO reason (Japan, Germany, Vietnam), and we outsource most of the dirty work to private security firms who charge WAY more............. Armed Forces is way too big, you could literally balance the budget if you cut defense by 1/3......Its always unpopular but a lot of unpopular things have to be done to ever see progression.........

Dumbest comment I've read in this thread. So should the police station be 40 miles from your house and the cops all be there? Or better yet should the fire station? If you've ever servered in the military or some other gov't branches you would know the reason we have agreements with other countries.
  

 

[rdon27]

Originally Posted by gambit215

I dont usually agree with rashi on most things but he has a point..........700 Billion dollars, thousands of troops overseas for NO reason (Japan, Germany, Vietnam), and we outsource most of the dirty work to private security firms who charge WAY more............. Armed Forces is way too big, you could literally balance the budget if you cut defense by 1/3......Its always unpopular but a lot of unpopular things have to be done to ever see progression.........

Dumbest comment I've read in this thread. So should the police station be 40 miles from your house and the cops all be there? Or better yet should the fire station? If you've ever servered in the military or some other gov't branches you would know the reason we have agreements with other countries.
  

 

[teamjordan79]

Originally Posted by ImReallyDirkNowitzki

Originally Posted by DunkNForce

Originally Posted by i just got lucky

Originally Posted by rashi

Can we permantly fire these people and get rid of the military? People need to get a real job.

LOL WHUT?

By far the dumbest #$@$ I've read on NT.

QFT

Pretty much, i was

 at the level of stupidity of that statement.

http://****.org/mediawiki/images/1/1e/Boeing54kueuvg.jpg

 

[teamjordan79]

Originally Posted by ImReallyDirkNowitzki

Originally Posted by DunkNForce

Originally Posted by i just got lucky

Originally Posted by rashi

Can we permantly fire these people and get rid of the military? People need to get a real job.

LOL WHUT?

By far the dumbest #$@$ I've read on NT.

QFT

Pretty much, i was

 at the level of stupidity of that statement.

http://****.org/mediawiki/images/1/1e/Boeing54kueuvg.jpg

 

[ac4three]

It's hard to believe how many stupid comments have been made in this thread. Nevertheless, a pay freeze is inevitable in this economy...

 

[ac4three]

It's hard to believe how many stupid comments have been made in this thread. Nevertheless, a pay freeze is inevitable in this economy...

 

[crazy dav0]

well i'll just have to make some extra money some how... grabs ski mask

 

[crazy dav0]

well i'll just have to make some extra money some how... grabs ski mask

 

[theta]

Originally Posted by usainboltisfast

Originally Posted by AquaGrape2345

The U.S. needs to stop adding to its deficit as well as outsourcing jobs so that our economy can get back up and running.

Realistically very little the government can do for outsourcing. It's the burden of consumers to stop outsourcing. Instead of buying the cheap made in China product spend extra for the made in USA product.

One of the best thing that can happen to this economy is having jobs outsourced. If you can answer phones and want $10/hour and a guy in India can answer phones for $2/hour, WHY ON EARTH would you say that you should get paid more? You dont deserve to get paid $10 because theres somebody else that can do your job just as well for less money. The implication that it has on the domestic economy is clear: cheaper things. Yes thats right, EVERYBODY gets cheaper goods. Why? because the marginal cost of production has decreased. A chinese factory worker makes ~$1/hour where as the GM factory workers that were part of the UAW were making $74/hr once you factor in all benefits. Almost EVERYBODY in society is better off when the market is more efficient, and outsourcing does exactly that. Simply because theyre american, it doesnt oblige Private Companies to hire them.

Also, that guy thats stirring the pot has a really good view (although presented it poorly): There is a LOT of bureaucracy in the government. A lot of people are getting paid way too much for doing absolutely nothing of value. This isnt to say that we need to eliminate our military (and this seems to be the main focus of NT), but again, the Govnt has no incentive to be efficient, to pay people what theyre worth (whether its more or less than what they have now). Theyre using OUR tax dollars to pay for jobs that we dont need.

So what should be done? Drastically reduce the size of the govnt. The govnt fails terribly at almost everything it does (ie: schools, healthcare, minimum wage laws, etc etc) and its taking money from hardworking Americans to do it.

 

[theta]

Originally Posted by usainboltisfast

Originally Posted by AquaGrape2345

The U.S. needs to stop adding to its deficit as well as outsourcing jobs so that our economy can get back up and running.

Realistically very little the government can do for outsourcing. It's the burden of consumers to stop outsourcing. Instead of buying the cheap made in China product spend extra for the made in USA product.

One of the best thing that can happen to this economy is having jobs outsourced. If you can answer phones and want $10/hour and a guy in India can answer phones for $2/hour, WHY ON EARTH would you say that you should get paid more? You dont deserve to get paid $10 because theres somebody else that can do your job just as well for less money. The implication that it has on the domestic economy is clear: cheaper things. Yes thats right, EVERYBODY gets cheaper goods. Why? because the marginal cost of production has decreased. A chinese factory worker makes ~$1/hour where as the GM factory workers that were part of the UAW were making $74/hr once you factor in all benefits. Almost EVERYBODY in society is better off when the market is more efficient, and outsourcing does exactly that. Simply because theyre american, it doesnt oblige Private Companies to hire them.

Also, that guy thats stirring the pot has a really good view (although presented it poorly): There is a LOT of bureaucracy in the government. A lot of people are getting paid way too much for doing absolutely nothing of value. This isnt to say that we need to eliminate our military (and this seems to be the main focus of NT), but again, the Govnt has no incentive to be efficient, to pay people what theyre worth (whether its more or less than what they have now). Theyre using OUR tax dollars to pay for jobs that we dont need.

So what should be done? Drastically reduce the size of the govnt. The govnt fails terribly at almost everything it does (ie: schools, healthcare, minimum wage laws, etc etc) and its taking money from hardworking Americans to do it.

 

[Lizakers]

it's about time... my company did this a long time ago and they made us take 2 furlough days each month without pay

federal workers should suffer the same consequences of the recession as the rest of us

 

[Lizakers]

it's about time... my company did this a long time ago and they made us take 2 furlough days each month without pay

federal workers should suffer the same consequences of the recession as the rest of us

 

[Betonblck]

Originally Posted by Lizaker4Lizife

it's about time... my company did this a long time ago and they made us take 2 furlough days each month without pay

federal workers should suffer the same consequences of the recession as the rest of us

Federal workers don't reap the benefits of a robust economy, so why should they suffer the same consequences during a recession?

 

[Betonblck]

Originally Posted by Lizaker4Lizife

it's about time... my company did this a long time ago and they made us take 2 furlough days each month without pay

federal workers should suffer the same consequences of the recession as the rest of us

Federal workers don't reap the benefits of a robust economy, so why should they suffer the same consequences during a recession?

 

[Betonblck]

Originally Posted by Theta

Originally Posted by usainboltisfast

Originally Posted by AquaGrape2345

The U.S. needs to stop adding to its deficit as well as outsourcing jobs so that our economy can get back up and running.

Realistically very little the government can do for outsourcing. It's the burden of consumers to stop outsourcing. Instead of buying the cheap made in China product spend extra for the made in USA product.

One of the best thing that can happen to this economy is having jobs outsourced. If you can answer phones and want $10/hour and a guy in India can answer phones for $2/hour, WHY ON EARTH would you say that you should get paid more? You dont deserve to get paid $10 because theres somebody else that can do your job just as well for less money. The implication that it has on the domestic economy is clear: cheaper things. Yes thats right, EVERYBODY gets cheaper goods. Why? because the marginal cost of production has decreased. A chinese factory worker makes ~$1/hour where as the GM factory workers that were part of the UAW were making $74/hr once you factor in all benefits. Almost EVERYBODY in society is better off when the market is more efficient, and outsourcing does exactly that. Simply because theyre american, it doesnt oblige Private Companies to hire them.

Also, that guy thats stirring the pot has a really good view (although presented it poorly): There is a LOT of bureaucracy in the government. A lot of people are getting paid way too much for doing absolutely nothing of value. This isnt to say that we need to eliminate our military (and this seems to be the main focus of NT), but again, the Govnt has no incentive to be efficient, to pay people what theyre worth (whether its more or less than what they have now). Theyre using OUR tax dollars to pay for jobs that we dont need.

So what should be done? Drastically reduce the size of the govnt. The govnt fails terribly at almost everything it does (ie: schools, healthcare, minimum wage laws, etc etc) and its taking money from hardworking Americans to do it.

Wow, let me get this foolishness you just typed straight. 

 

1.  Outsource all the jobs
2.  Eliminate minimum wage
3.  Drastically reduce the size of government

Now, who is going to buy goods and services when unemployment is 50% and the other 50% that are working make $2/hr. 

Given what you already said, you probably also want to cut unemployment and welfare too, right?  So basically, half of the people in the US starve and die, while the others work for $2/hr. 

 

[Betonblck]

Originally Posted by Theta

Originally Posted by usainboltisfast

Originally Posted by AquaGrape2345

The U.S. needs to stop adding to its deficit as well as outsourcing jobs so that our economy can get back up and running.

Realistically very little the government can do for outsourcing. It's the burden of consumers to stop outsourcing. Instead of buying the cheap made in China product spend extra for the made in USA product.

One of the best thing that can happen to this economy is having jobs outsourced. If you can answer phones and want $10/hour and a guy in India can answer phones for $2/hour, WHY ON EARTH would you say that you should get paid more? You dont deserve to get paid $10 because theres somebody else that can do your job just as well for less money. The implication that it has on the domestic economy is clear: cheaper things. Yes thats right, EVERYBODY gets cheaper goods. Why? because the marginal cost of production has decreased. A chinese factory worker makes ~$1/hour where as the GM factory workers that were part of the UAW were making $74/hr once you factor in all benefits. Almost EVERYBODY in society is better off when the market is more efficient, and outsourcing does exactly that. Simply because theyre american, it doesnt oblige Private Companies to hire them.

Also, that guy thats stirring the pot has a really good view (although presented it poorly): There is a LOT of bureaucracy in the government. A lot of people are getting paid way too much for doing absolutely nothing of value. This isnt to say that we need to eliminate our military (and this seems to be the main focus of NT), but again, the Govnt has no incentive to be efficient, to pay people what theyre worth (whether its more or less than what they have now). Theyre using OUR tax dollars to pay for jobs that we dont need.

So what should be done? Drastically reduce the size of the govnt. The govnt fails terribly at almost everything it does (ie: schools, healthcare, minimum wage laws, etc etc) and its taking money from hardworking Americans to do it.

Wow, let me get this foolishness you just typed straight. 

 

1.  Outsource all the jobs
2.  Eliminate minimum wage
3.  Drastically reduce the size of government

Now, who is going to buy goods and services when unemployment is 50% and the other 50% that are working make $2/hr. 

Given what you already said, you probably also want to cut unemployment and welfare too, right?  So basically, half of the people in the US starve and die, while the others work for $2/hr. 

 

[downyboy]

^Its called risk vs. reward. Federal workers might not reap the benefits of a robust economy (although I find that point extremely debatable), they also don't get fired all that easily. You give up certain things for job security and other perks of being a Federal employee.

Too many people feel entitled to everything good but none of the bad.

 

[downyboy]

^Its called risk vs. reward. Federal workers might not reap the benefits of a robust economy (although I find that point extremely debatable), they also don't get fired all that easily. You give up certain things for job security and other perks of being a Federal employee.

Too many people feel entitled to everything good but none of the bad.

 

[0 xm 0]

would this freeze include new hires? they are doing the border patrol tests and if there is no chance at receiving a promotion after the first 6 months its not even worth taking the exam at this time. Can someone clarify please

 

[0 xm 0]

would this freeze include new hires? they are doing the border patrol tests and if there is no chance at receiving a promotion after the first 6 months its not even worth taking the exam at this time. Can someone clarify please

 

[rashi]

Originally Posted by juggy4805

Originally Posted by rashi

Originally Posted by juggy4805

Originally Posted by rashi

Originally Posted by leothegod

Originally Posted by rashi

Why don't we just dissolve our government while we're at it.

 

what's a real job?

Produce something, be innovative.  Be produictive for society, not a talentless government bean counter who produce nothing.

I agree, we should let some other country over run our land, lose our freedom and become slaves

. Awesome plan.

 

Who would invade us and why would they?

are you serious?

if so

 
WHO WOULD INVADE US AND WHY? Have you ever seen a foreign country invade a country with 300 million people with the having the most guns per capita?

Who fights wars with guns still. What are we gonna use our glocks and shotguns to stop an invading country with a military and WMD? We stick our chest out at the world because of our military.   

Ok and? Who do you think makes the fighter jets, tanks, drones, ect., the bueracracy called the United States military? The Defense Department? 

 The military contracts with private companies in order to produce the planes, guns, tanks, ect. You think if we didn't have a standing army that people from foeriegn countries would just try to come here and occupy 300 million people?

 You act like the United States is like Tibet or something. How's that war in Afghanistan going against people who live in caves and shacks with our big bad military technology?  Think man, think.
First off, we are not invading Afghanistan and are trying (notice I say trying) not to kill everyone. If a country trys to invade us there will be no one spared. How can you compare the war on Terror to a country trying to invade another country.

  

We are not invading Afghanistan? We only have 100,000 troops over their that forcefully replaced their entire government, we have 100,000 American troops running their streets, we support their economy with tax payer money, and we dictate policy to their president.

invade |inˈv

 

[rashi]

Originally Posted by juggy4805

Originally Posted by rashi

Originally Posted by juggy4805

Originally Posted by rashi

Originally Posted by leothegod

Originally Posted by rashi

Why don't we just dissolve our government while we're at it.

 

what's a real job?

Produce something, be innovative.  Be produictive for society, not a talentless government bean counter who produce nothing.

I agree, we should let some other country over run our land, lose our freedom and become slaves

. Awesome plan.

 

Who would invade us and why would they?

are you serious?

if so

 
WHO WOULD INVADE US AND WHY? Have you ever seen a foreign country invade a country with 300 million people with the having the most guns per capita?

Who fights wars with guns still. What are we gonna use our glocks and shotguns to stop an invading country with a military and WMD? We stick our chest out at the world because of our military.   

Ok and? Who do you think makes the fighter jets, tanks, drones, ect., the bueracracy called the United States military? The Defense Department? 

 The military contracts with private companies in order to produce the planes, guns, tanks, ect. You think if we didn't have a standing army that people from foeriegn countries would just try to come here and occupy 300 million people?

 You act like the United States is like Tibet or something. How's that war in Afghanistan going against people who live in caves and shacks with our big bad military technology?  Think man, think.
First off, we are not invading Afghanistan and are trying (notice I say trying) not to kill everyone. If a country trys to invade us there will be no one spared. How can you compare the war on Terror to a country trying to invade another country.

  

We are not invading Afghanistan? We only have 100,000 troops over their that forcefully replaced their entire government, we have 100,000 American troops running their streets, we support their economy with tax payer money, and we dictate policy to their president.

invade |inˈv