FEDS: NO RECESSION; Economy grows 0.6%

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Wednesday April 30, 10:14 am ET
By Jeannine Aversa, AP Economics Writer[table][tr][td]
[/td] [/tr][/table]WASHINGTON (AP) -- The bruised economy limped through the first quarter, growing at just a 0.6 percent pace as housing and credit problems forcedpeople and businesses alike to hunker down.
The country's economic growth during January through March was the same as in the final three monthsof last year, the Commerce Department reported Wednesday. The statistic did not meet what economists consider the definition of a recession, which is acontraction of the economy. This means that although the economy is stuck in a rut, it is still managing to grow, even if slightly.

any analysts were predicting that the gross domestic product (GDP) would weaken a bit more -- to a pace of just 0.5 percent -- in the first quarter. Earlierthis year, some thought the economy would actually lurch into reverse during the opening quarter. Now, they say they believe that will likely happen during thecurrent April-to-June period.

"The economy is weak but not collapsing," said Lynn Reaser, chief economist at Bank ofAmerica's Investment Strategies Group. "A recession can't be ruled out, although the stars are not lined up at this point to definitively say oneway or the other."

Gross domestic product measures the value of all goods and services produced within the United States and is the best measure of the country's economichealth. Voters are keenly worried about the country's economic problems and so are politicians -- in Congress, in the White House and on the campaigntrail.

White House press secretary Dana Perino said the administration was disappointed in the figures. "This is nothing to crow about," she said."It is very slow growth, but it is growth nonetheless."

The housing situation turned more bleak in the first quarter, as record-high foreclosures dumped more unsold homes on the market, adding to builders'headaches. Builders slashed spending on housing projects by a whopping 26.7 percent, on an annualized basis, the most in 27 years. That was the biggest drag onthe economy.

Consumers -- whose spending is vital to the country's economic health -- turned much more cautious, also restraining overall economic growth in thefirst quarter. Their spending rose at just a 1 percent pace. That was down from a 2.3 percent growth rate and was the slowest since the second quarter of 2001,when the United States was suffering through its last recession. Shoppers did cut spending on such things as cars, furniture, household appliances, food andclothes.

Soaring energy and food prices are walloping people's pocketbooks, leaving them with less to spend on other things. The credit crunch also has made itharder for people to finance big ticket items, such as cars and homes. And, many homeowners -- watching their homes -- often their single-biggest asset --slump in value, also are feeling less wealthy and less inclined to spend.

Another report from the Labor Department Wednesday showed that workers' compensation -- including wages and benefits -- grew 0.7 percent in the firstquarter, the slowest pace in two years. Many economists were expecting a 0.8 percent rise. The report suggests that the weak labor market is making employers abit less generous with their compensation.

Businesses, meanwhile, cut back spending on equipment and software at a 0.7 percent pace, the most since the final quarter of 2006. And, they trimmedspending on commercial construction at a 6.2 percent pace, the most since the third quarter of 2005.

However, businesses boosted their investment in building up stocks of supplies in the first quarter, a big force adding to GDP. Exports of U.S. goods andservices, which increased at a 5.5 percent pace, also helped first-quarter growth. U.S. exports are being helped by the falling value of the U.S. dollar, whichmakes U.S. made goods and services less expensive to foreign buyers.

Spending by the government was another factor helping out GDP in the first quarter. That spending rose at a 2 percent pace for the second quarter in arow.

To bolster the economy, the Federal Reserve is expected to lower a key interest rate by one-quarter percentage point to 2 percent later Wednesday. Thatwould mark a more moderate-sized rate reduction after a recent string of hefty cuts. Many economists believe the Fed, which started dropping rates lastSeptember, may be nearing the end of its rate-cutting campaign because policymakers don't want to aggravate inflation. Those rate reductions, which takemonths to affect economic activity, can sow the seeds of inflation down the road.

An inflation measure linked to the GDP report showed that prices grew at a rate of 3.5 percent in the first quarter, down from a 3.9 percent pace in theprior quarter.

Another gauge showed that the core prices excluding food and energy rose at a rate of 2.2 percent in the first quarter. That was a lower than the 2.5percent pace registered in the fourth quarter but still outside the Fed's comfort zone. The upper level of the Fed's inflation tolerance is 2percent.

Gas and food prices, however, have moved higher since the start of the year, adding to inflation pressures. Gasoline prices, which have recently set newrecord highs, have climbed to $4 a gallon in some parts of the country.

A growing number of economists believe the economy is in a recession and is indeed contracting now.

Under one rough rule, if the economy contracts for six straight months it is considered to be in a recession. That didn't happen in the last recession-- in 2001-- though. A panel of experts at the National Bureau of Economic Research that determines when U.S. recessions begin and end uses a broaderdefinition, taking into account income, employment and other barometers. That finding is usually made well after the fact.

During the first three months of this year, job losses neared the staggering quarter-million mark. The unemployment rate has climbed to 5.1 percent and isexpected to move higher in the coming months.

Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke, earlier this month, acknowledged for the first time that a recession this year was possible.

President Bush on Tuesday said the country was dealing with "difficult times." Bush said he understood Americans' anxiety over soaring gasprices, record-high home foreclosures and other economic woes.

The government's $168 billion economic-stimulus package -- including tax rebates that started flowing to bank accounts on Monday -- should help energizethe economy in the second half of this year, the Bush administration and Federal Reserve officials say. Democrats in Congress insist more relief needs to beprovided, including additional unemployment benefits to cushion the pain of joblessness. The administration has resisted, saying the rebates and otherstimulative efforts should be sufficient once they fully kick in.
 
No recession?

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Than why in late-early 2000 when the economy wasn't in negative growth (according to gov't numbers of course, also
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) but around 0.3% growth yet that was still called a recession. Now near 0growth is no longer a recession.

The BLS has been cooking the economic data for the last 10-15 years. They've changed economic indices wholesale.

Just like the CPI doesn't include food, energy, and transportation prices anymore. inflation is only around 3-4%. Again.
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The gov't believes that the American people don't know their head from their +%! and they'll be proven right.

By God if the gov't says there's no recession than there mustn't be one. If the gov't says the dollar isn't being devalued than hell, itisn't.
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Dirty believes the gov't numbers, than you should too.

These are some real economic data as opposed to the %@#$#$+# the gov't feeds you.

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[h1]Buffett says recession may be worse than feared[/h1]
Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:09am EDT

By Jonathan Stempel

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Warren Buffett, the world's richest person, said on Monday the U.S. economy is in a recession that will be more severe than most people expect.

Buffett made his comments on CNBC television after his Berkshire Hathaway Inc (BRKa.N: Quote, Profile, Research) (BRKb.N: Quote, Profile, Research) agreed to invest $6.5 billion in the takeover of chewing gum maker Wm Wrigley Jr Co (WWY.N: Quote, Profile, Research) by Mars Inc in a $23 billion transaction.

"This is not a field of specialty for me, but my general feeling is that the recession will be longer and deeper than most people think," Buffett said. "This will not be short and shallow.

"I think consumers are feeling gas and food prices," he added, "and not feeling they've got a lot of money for other things."

He was not immediately available for further comment. Known for his frugality, the 77-year-old Buffett has lived in the same 10-room Omaha, Nebraska, house for a half-century, despite being worth an estimated $62 billion.


http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USN2847461420080428

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the gov't has constantly (and successfully) been putting one over on the public in so many ways for the last 12 or so years it's not even funny. andthey continue to do so as long as the short attention span of the citizens continues to be promoted through garbage information the media (most of all) feedsthem.

for the people and by the people though, right?

no one but a small, vocal minority who were cast off as wackos or even reactionaries complained before so those of you who feel slighted now after acceptingall the bs they've force fed everyone have even less of a platform to whine.

clinton speaheaded these problems we're facing now, but bush and co. have made an artform of it
 
A recession is two consecutive quarters of negative growth. We haven't had one yet.
 
Tehran, April 30 (Xinhua) Iran has replaced the US dollar with other currencies in its oil transactions, an oil ministry official said Wednesday. "Thedollar has completely been removed from our oil trade. Crude oil customers have agreed with us to use other currencies. Our future oil business will be in euroin Europe, yen in Asia," he added.




In the wake of worsening relations with Washington in the past years over the nuclear disputes and the latest depreciation of the US dollar, Iran has vowed toscale down the use of the greenback in its foreign trade. The Iranian central bank has also reduced its dollar reserves.

During the last summit of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) in Saudi Arabia, Iran proposed that it was necessary to replace the USdollar with other major hard currencies in oil trading.

Iranian Oil Minister Gholam Hossein Nozari declared last December that Tehran had completely stopped selling its oil in dollars, according to a report by thesemi-official ISNA news agency at that time.



Now why would they stop usuing USD as a form of trade?

Because its value sux, and everyone knows where its headed
 
Originally Posted by blco02

A recession is two consecutive quarters of negative growth. We haven't had one yet.

we havent reached it but definition yet...but we are headed there and noone can deny that +#*# is looking ugly across the board right now
 
Why do you guys take John Williams' statistics over the government's? His stats could be just as much bull as what you propose the government'sstats are.

It really seems like some of you want to be told we're in a recession as if you can ride it like a scapegoat. You guys are on a Nike forum and probably ownat least a couple pairs of shoes. How much are you struggling during this "recession"?
 
Originally Posted by pull a Fredo

Why do you guys take John Williams' statistics over the government's? His stats could be just as much bull as what you propose the government's stats are.

It really seems like some of you want to be told we're in a recession as if you can ride it like a scapegoat. You guys are on a Nike forum and probably own at least a couple pairs of shoes. How much are you struggling during this "recession"?

Why take his stats over the governments?

His stats are more accurate. Plain and simple. They're not 100% accurate but they're calculated in a rational way.

Study how the BLS calculates their data. Some of it is obscene and convoluted.

Take the CPI for example. No energy, food, or transportation costs. Does that sound right to you? Do most Americans spend a significant amount of theirearnings on food, transportation, and energy?
See the BLS says that if the price of steak increased but you can still get a burger a Mcdonalds for $1 than there was no price inflation in themarket. Sound right to you? To them cheap chicken hot dogs are in the same category as say chicken breasts.

Why take his stats? Well because he provides pretty good M3 stats which have an effect on inflation. Since the FED stopped releasing M3 stats some time ago,than we can't really go by gov't numbers, can we?

In the end his stats are more accurate. I challenge you to go digg up some recent statements by economists that support gov't stats.
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You'll have a hard time.

See YOU don't know what you're talking about. You want to gave a debate on gov't stats. have at it.
We'll see how much you know.
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The importance of announcing we're NOT in a recession means stocks won't nose dive.

That helps as a crutch for our otherwise battered economy.

Unfortunately, this means more rate cuts, which makes me want to vomit. Can we start battling inflation now??? Jesus christ. The US Dollar is going to bekilled this quarter. Can't wait to hear oil is up to $189 a barrel.
 
Okay... OFFICIALLY... we aren't in a recession. But the credit crunch ain't over, and the housing market is gonna keep getting worse. We are stillfacing huge inflation problems in the very near future.

Things aren't quite as bleak as some thought, perhaps... but we're in a big 2-quarter slowdown now. While we don't meet the criteria for the bookdefinition of a recession, anyone arguing the economy is in "good shape" is a moron.
 
I want the housing market to reset, for another two years so I can move out of my condo and into a house. I can deal with that, and that industry needs aregulation overhaul. However, I'm sick of these rate cuts and the fed pointing to the "credit crisis" as the reason.

We need to be proactive against inflation. IMO at least.
 
Originally Posted by Craftsy21

Okay... OFFICIALLY... we aren't in a recession. But the credit crunch ain't over, and the housing market is gonna keep getting worse. We are still facing huge inflation problems in the very near future.

Things aren't quite as bleak as some thought, perhaps... but we're in a big 2-quarter slowdown now. While we don't meet the criteria for the book definition of a recession, anyone arguing the economy is in "good shape" is a moron.


We aren't officially in a recession because the Gov't numbers are cooked. There's no 2 ways around. Plenty of people have been saying that fora decade now.

Inflation at 3-4%.
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They're lying about inflation. Take a wild guess as to why.

Warren buffet isn't saying we're in a recession for !%%% 's and giggles.

Unfortunately, this means more rate cuts, which makes me want to vomit. Can we start battling inflation now??? Jesus christ. The US Dollar is going to be killed this quarter. Can't wait to hear oil is up to $189 a barrel.
You know what's interesting?
Back at the Bilderburg meeting in 2006 there were reports that one of the major discussions was that in 3 years (by 2009) oil would be near $200.
The worlds political and financial elite seemed to know it.


I want the housing market to reset, for another two years so I can move out of my condo and into a house. I can deal with that, and that industry needs a regulation overhaul. However, I'm sick of these rate cuts and the fed pointing to the "credit crisis" as the reason.

We need to be proactive against inflation. IMO at least.
The dollar is purposely being devalued. Abroad US reps are bad mouthing the $, while at home they say nothing is wrong.

There's a multitude of reasons but people have to remember inflation doesn't really hurt the wealthy and that the poor do not control monetary policy.
 
Originally Posted by LazyJ10

The importance of announcing we're NOT in a recession means stocks won't nose dive.

That helps as a crutch for our otherwise battered economy.

Unfortunately, this means more rate cuts, which makes me want to vomit. Can we start battling inflation now??? Jesus christ. The US Dollar is going to be killed this quarter. Can't wait to hear oil is up to $189 a barrel.
Yeah the market is up 111 points as of right now & nearing 13,000 again for the first time in a while (January?).
 
I know I'm just glad my parents got a nice block of Visa.

I check the market in about an hour, for after lunch trading.

Wake me in November when we have a new president. Shoot I'd take President Wayne Palmer at this point.
 
Originally Posted by TBONE95860

Originally Posted by LazyJ10

The importance of announcing we're NOT in a recession means stocks won't nose dive.

That helps as a crutch for our otherwise battered economy.

Unfortunately, this means more rate cuts, which makes me want to vomit. Can we start battling inflation now??? Jesus christ. The US Dollar is going to be killed this quarter. Can't wait to hear oil is up to $189 a barrel.
Yeah the market is up 111 points as of right now & nearing 13,000 again for the first time in a while (January?).

This is another misconception. The Stock market isn't the end all and be all for the US economy.

You have the Bond market and Derivatives market which are just as , if not, more important for the US economy.
 
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