Fidel Castro has Died at 90

[Based Jesus]

Castro > Gandhi

 

[ninjahood]

I know and have met a lot of people that prefer vacationing in Cuba over the DR even.

Punta Cana alone >*

only reason people hyping Cuba is cuz its a commercial timecapsule, while novel..is fleeting.

You have never been to Cuba, how the hell would you know why some that have been to both life Cuba more.

i got friends who are Cuban who's been to both, my moms is going next January, u gotta be real careful how u move out there,that alone isn't a super ideal Tourist scenario vs DR having proven itself as a tourist tour de force.

 

[daddy style]

do you even study the facts about how latin Caribbean started?

He doesn't even know that he is black, so how would he know or understand that?

vs never being able to leave a damn dictatorship?

What's freedom? Oh yeah, for you to call yourself latino and then not "black", yeah, I see your point.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I know and have met a lot of people that prefer vacationing in Cuba over the DR even.

Punta Cana alone >*

only reason people hyping Cuba is cuz its a commercial timecapsule, while novel..is fleeting.

You have never been to Cuba, how the hell would you know why some that have been to both life Cuba more.

i got friends who are Cuban who's been to both, my moms is going next January, u gotta be real careful how u move out there,that alone isn't a super ideal Tourist scenario vs DR having proven itself as a tourist tour de force.

Regualr tourist are perfectly fine on Cuba, it has the same dangers most other islands have, and if you're going down there to protest the government, then you're asking for trouble.

DR is such a huge tourist destination partly because of the embargo against though. The biggest market has been cut off from Cuba

And one of the major drivers of DR tourism is not the night life or pretty beaches. Every island has that.

It is a rampant poverty that makes it so cheap and the sex tourism.

 

[daddy style]

Castro is a monumental figure to some and evil to the rest, just like any revolutionary figure. Revolution was never pretty. But bad PR against Castro aside, he is truly on a league of his own.

Cuba, pre castro along with Argentina were seen as one of the strongest countries that where close to North America. Hell, his own dad got wealthy primarily working with the United Fruit Company. Even with all the added incentives of being close to a country like the US and being blessed with the economical opportunities/benefits, the country was corrupt to the core. Large amount of economical and political repression to the majority while the dictators lived in richly secured state. His stance against that corruption is what drove him to be what he was. He wanted to bring social reform, end corruption and economically benefit to the lowest classes who suffer the most. He fought for it just like Nelson Mandela fought apartheid, so Castro = Mandela comparison is a respectable one. From the bottom all the way to the top, step by step, he fought for every single thing he ever gained. A true revolutionary figure.

The current generation of Cubans will probably never understand the true motive of his cause or why they are still poor. But those from his generation and those that worked closely with the revolution essentially worked for free. They saw the bigger picture - access to health, social justice, "together stronger" and an independent Cuba. He challenged the majority to be great and do great, some say he was successful in creating that revolution till....Soviet = Cuba relation.


So..... 1. I don't know how Trump is considered in the same sentiment of the word "revolutionary" that Castro defined 2. Putin is also a terrible comparison, clearly the Oligarchs are rich, the majority are poor. Granted, Russia Post Soviet is strong (militarily)....Not sure how that benefited the individual Russian.

Am I missing something here ?!?!?!

 

[secretzofwar]

^ kind of like all communists. "Fighting to make things better." Of course you have to repress and murder your people for the majority to live in poverty. It's common sense.

Sounds like a lot of folks in this thread read Das Kapital but forgot to look at the results of the 20th century.

 

[daddy style]

^ kind of like all communists. "Fighting to make things better." Of course you have to repress and murder your people for the majority to live in poverty. It's common sense.

Sounds like a lot of folks in this thread read Das Kapital but forgot to look at the results of the 20th century.

If you are referring to me, my point of bringing up Putin, Trump and Castro, had nothing to do with what they are addressing. My point had to do with how Russia backed Castro, and now how Putin is backing Trump, helping to form a Euro alliance with other countries. Perhaps I should have added that part, lol, but I assumed people saw the irony. It isn't the first time I have been wrong in my assumption.

 

[secretzofwar]

If you are referring to me, my point of bringing up Putin, Trump and Castro, had nothing to do with what they are addressing. My point had to do with how Russia backed Castro, and now how Putin is backing Trump, helping to form a Euro alliance with other countries. Perhaps I should have added that part, lol, but I assumed people saw the irony. It isn't the first time I have been wrong in my assumption.

Got it. I was talking about folks calling Castro a "revolutionary."

The Putin / Trump alliance is extremely troubling. Putin isn't much different than Castro. Fascists.

 

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[Based Jesus]

 

[jmob32]

Call me crazy but as I child I always looked up to dictators. I wanted to become a dictator at a young age.

Sn to post got me rollin lol

 

[mvp07]

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Considering the fact that both Mandela and Castro shared mutual admiration for one another, I suggest you look up their history.

He was also an admired figure in some African countries because of his stance against imperialism and also most importantly, for the support he extended to those fighting against similar causes (specially when it never benefited him and infact derailed his relation with the US).

 

[RustyShackleford]

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Considering the fact that both Mandela and Castro shared mutual admiration for another, I suggest you look up their history.

He was also an admired figure in some African countries because of his stance against imperialism and also most importantly, for the support he extended to those fighting against similar causes (specially when it never benefited him and infact derailed his relation with the US).

And I suggest you look up the Human and Civil Rights violations the Castro government has committed over the decades.

 

[Belgium]

Just because Castro did some good things does not outweigh his oppressive and cruel dictatorship.

 

[7thave btn 31stn33rd st]

Isn't PR's economy in the toilet right now? Without the US subsidies wouldn't things be impossible on that island?

Their economy was never good under US occupation. The US came in confiscated coffee and sugar farms and gave them to US companies and ruined their agriculture, then left. NAFTA and the Dominican Republic-Central America Free Trade Agreement also put Puerto Rico at huge disadvantage because cheap labor (no minimum wage laws) allowed for cheaper goods coming from Central/South America.

The Jones Act of 1917 mandates that the people of Puerto Rico can ONLY buy goods from American made ships and crew thus inflating the cost of the goods. Th US is restricting Puerto Ricans from doing business outside of the United States, this is all with 45% of the Puerto Rican population under the Poverty Line and 35% are on Welfare. U.S. subsidies have made it worse, cannot possibly be worse than what it is now.

 

[Master Zik]

************ really said Castro is equal to Mandela.

:x

Now I see why certain ppl get in power. Pander to a certain group and you can get them ignoring all kinds of cruelty and torture.

I see the easy bamboozling is saying they fought against imperialism and racism.

 

[antonio21]

Regualr tourist are perfectly fine on Cuba, it has the same dangers most other islands have, and if you're going down there to protest the government, then you're asking for trouble.

DR is such a huge tourist destination partly because of the embargo against though. The biggest market has been cut off from Cuba

And one of the major drivers of DR tourism is not the night life or pretty beaches. Every island has that.

It is a rampant poverty that makes it so cheap and the sex tourism.

Cuba has a ton of potential, and I think it's the only island in the Caribbean that can realistically compete with us. They have an awesome colonial architectural legacy which isn't found in other Caribbean islands outside of DR and PR. Now the advantages we have over Cuba are the following: we have modern urban centres, with superior nightlife, shopping, amenities, etc...which Americans are accustomed to; I'm not talking about all-inclusive resorts btw, but rather actual cities with modern urbane infrastructure and lifestyle. DR manages to mix the old with the new, while Cuba is still stuck in a time-warp.



Also, we have superior landscapes with more varied climate and beach types. Cuba has great white-sand beaches, which we also have but the island lacks the more scenic mountainous "Hawaii" looking beaches; the island as a whole has a very flat and boring topography. DR is more rugged and mountainous with much taller peaks and even lower valleys. Fun fact: DR has the tallest mountains in the Caribbean, with peaks that rise above 3,000 m(10,000 feet). This landscape doesn't exist in Cuba.



And you will never find a beach that looks like this in Cuba.



DR has everything Cuba has, and many things which Cuba lacks. And it's so cheap because most of our resort areas are staffed by Haitian migrants who work for slave-like wages, so I consider that as an advantage also.lol But interestingly enough Cuba is almost as cheap as DR, and Cuba has an extremely low minimum wage. And there plenty of black prostitutes in Cuba just like in DR, look up JINETERAS on Google or something. Cuba is open to every country except the USA, yet we outperform them in the South American and European markets. Even the Russians prefer DR over Cuba, they love Samana.

 

[deuce king]

Is there freedom in Wash heights? Cuz he ain't never left.

LOL.

 

[ggarvinxx3]

 

[sugafree]

No, Cuba was a slave port as well. I have no empathy for white people suffering in areas that African slaves built. Usually, they weren't supposed to be where they are suffering in the first place, as they are also probably the descendants of the oppressors, falling upon hard times. If Castro hastened their plight, so be it. Castro could not get rid of social racism, as that was ingrained into that society. You can't stop white people from thinking that they are better than everyone else due to the color of their skin, not when they are able to point to the rest of the western world, then being able to point to the white patriarchal privilege that exists there. But Castro was well intentioned in his beginning efforts. He still helped Africa, and other things. White America loves to demonize anyone who is not white and european, so as Malcolm X once said, "any time a white man tells you that you are doing something wrong, more than likely you are doing something right."

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[AZwildcats]

 

Deal with it? You don't empathize with them at all?

No, Cuba was a slave port as well. I have no empathy for white people suffering in areas that African slaves built. Usually, they weren't supposed to be where they are suffering in the first place, as they are also probably the descendants of the oppressors, falling upon hard times. If Castro hastened their plight, so be it. Castro could not get rid of social racism, as that was ingrained into that society. You can't stop white people from thinking that they are better than everyone else due to the color of their skin, not when they are able to point to the rest of the western world, then being able to point to the white patriarchal privilege that exists there. But Castro was well intentioned in his beginning efforts. He still helped Africa, and other things. White America loves to demonize anyone who is not white and european, so as Malcolm X once said, "any time a white man tells you that you are doing something wrong, more than likely you are doing something right."

I feel you, I am no fan of white america either. However, what makes you think that Fidel Castro, a white Cuban himself, had the best interests of black Cubans in mind? Did they experience a step up the social ladder in Cuba? No, they are still living in incredibly poor conditions just as they were before Castro. Castro helped the African countries that supported his view on communism, look at how those countries are doing now. You are obviously an intelligent person so I won't sit here and patronize you about your views, but I do not agree with them at all

 

[superblytrife]

Just because Castro did some good things does not outweigh his oppressive and cruel dictatorship.

It really is this simple.

Not sure why cats can't grasp this.

 

[teamjordan79]

************ really said Castro is equal to Mandela.

:x

Now I see why certain ppl get in power. Pander to a certain group and you can get them ignoring all kinds of cruelty and torture.

I see the easy bamboozling is saying they fought against imperialism and racism.

i blame Che t-shirts

 

[aslaim]

Malcolm X once said, "any time a white man tells you that you are doing something wrong, more than likely you are doing something right."

el-hajj malik el-shabazzshould have done more research on his religion.

 

 

[RustyShackleford]

I find myself shaking my head at this dude more and more these days.