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I think it's obvious that people are unaware of the copyright laws and that consent would even be required. If you see a correlation between that and deliberate sexual assault, sure

I see a correlation between wrongly assumed consent and wrongly assumed consent. I see a correlation between the sexist excuses used to blame the aggrieved party.

Ignorance does not negate responsibility or adverse impact.


Whatever anyone's opinions might be, that does not change our obligation to follow the law.
If anyone here feels especially passionate about this issue and you wish to test your personal legal theory on the matter, you're welcome to start your own website.
 
Wait… so you’re not allowed to post pictures that people post on public pages?

What’s the logic behind that? I see articles about tweets and social media posts all the time?

Technically/legally you aren't supposed to post things you don't own without permission/paying. This largely isn't enforced since it's kinda how the internet works and there's just too much to keep track of but companies/individuals get paid just to find and get content taken down.

Nas and other celebrities have been sued by photographers for posting pictures of themselves on IG because the photographers own the pictures want to be compensated or to be asked beforehand.


Reddit and other sites have the same issue they try to get around it by not on posting names/using code or making the thread/subreddit private
 
This has basically been the argument: “if they didn’t want us to share their photos and make comments about their bodies, why did they post swimsuit pics on IG?”

Ultimately, it’s about consent.

Posting a publicly visible photo on social media does not, in itself, grant viewers license to republish that content without the rightsholder’s permission.

If you choose not see the correlation there, that’s fine. It does not change the law.


The point of social media is for views, attention, exposure whatever. Isnt the “license to republish” point only if youre using their image for profit without their consent? A lot of people on social at the very least want credit when someone reblogs their picture. I get it all the time, sometimes they DM me for permission to use photos for their NYC guides for example, but typically if I see my picture on a guide as long as im tagged and credited its cool. Here on a site like NT, or say reddit or another forum, we arent posting for profit or whatever. And people who are reposting the actual IG link, youre already technically giving credit to the original poster, or maybe a page who has the original poster tagged. Legit questions cause alot of this just feels silly unless im missing something.
 
There’s a share button for a reason.

Direct from a lawyer

"Right now, for example, some pictures can be shared to Facebook or shared with individuals via DM or by Messenger. If Instagram were to create a function similar to Twitter's retweet, then that would be allowed as well. But anything that goes beyond Instagram's built-in functionality infringes on the rights of the author of that photograph.”

IGs built-in functionality allows for sharing to sites. 99% of us share directly from the app so there’s 0 copyright threat. We are simply interacting with the content.

That doesn’t make us misogynistic either
 
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Whatever anyone's opinions might be, that does not change our obligation to follow the law.
If anyone here feels especially passionate about this issue and you wish to test your personal legal theory on the matter, you're welcome to start your own website.
I can't tell if you're intentionally being obtuse :lol. I never tried to contest any obligation to the law. I was making a point about an off base analogy to sexual assault. Congrats on being the administrator of niketalk by the way
 
I can't tell if you're intentionally being obtuse :lol:. I never tried to contest any obligation to the law. I was making a point about an off base analogy to sexual assault. Congrats on being the administrator of niketalk by the way

So long as you understand the law, I really couldn’t care less if you don’t understand the analogy - nor, it seems, does anyone else in this thread.

I feel responsible for explaining NikeTalk’s policies and protecting our community against risks to its continued existence, like those presented by copyright strikes. I feel no such obligation to entertain people who have nothing better to do than argue moot points on the weekend. If that’s your thing, I’m sure someone in the NBA offseason thread will accommodate you.

Take care.
 
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So long as you understand the law, I really couldn’t care less if you don’t understand the analogy - nor, it seems, does anyone else in this thread.

I feel responsible for explaining NikeTalk’s policies and protecting our community against risks to its continued existence, like those presented by copyright strikes. I feel no such obligation to entertain people who have nothing better to do than argue moot points on the weekend. If that’s your thing, I’m sure someone in the NBA offseason thread will accommodate you.

Take care.


Im still trying to understand the point I was making in my last post you didnt address. Legit question as im curious on these legalities and whatnot. Ive had my foot in situations similar to this.
 
The point of social media is for views, attention, exposure whatever. Isnt the “license to republish” point only if youre using their image for profit without their consent? A lot of people on social at the very least want credit when someone reblogs their picture. I get it all the time, sometimes they DM me for permission to use photos for their NYC guides for example, but typically if I see my picture on a guide as long as im tagged and credited its cool. Here on a site like NT, or say reddit or another forum, we arent posting for profit or whatever. And people who are reposting the actual IG link, youre already technically giving credit to the original poster, or maybe a page who has the original poster tagged. Legit questions cause alot of this just feels silly unless im missing something.

There’s a share button for a reason.

Direct from a lawyer

"Right now, for example, some pictures can be shared to Facebook or shared with individuals via DM or by Messenger. If Instagram were to create a function similar to Twitter's retweet, then that would be allowed as well. But anything that goes beyond Instagram's built-in functionality infringes on the rights of the author of that photograph.”

IGs built-in functionality allows for sharing to sites. 99% of us share directly from the app so there’s 0 copyright threat. We are simply interacting with the content.

That doesn’t make us misogynistic either

You’re talking about two different things here: embedding/linking Instagram posts from the source and saving/republishing those images without consent.

If you link directly to the user’s post, thus inserting embedded content, that user maintains control of the post. They can remove or modify it as they see fit. If they delete it from their own account, it disappears from your post.

If you save a local copy and upload it to our servers without the rightsholder’s consent, then you’re violating their copyright. What’s more, you’re putting NikeTalk at risk because we’re the ones getting the DMCA request.

Your purpose in posting the image may be “educational” or “not for profit,” but rightsholders may not see it that way when content they created for their own purposes has been taken without their consent and reproduced in full on another website that’s running ads.

We have a legal obligation to be responsive to copyright concerns. You don’t just get to blame the users and disclaim all responsibility for what’s on your servers. Ask Megaupload.


The misogyny is something of a separate issue in that threads where these sorts of violations are commonplace are also overwhelmingly populated by comments that are in violation of our forum rules, and can make our community appear hostile and unwelcoming.

Then there’s the issue of content that runs afoul of advertiser guidelines. I’m sure that most of you are familiar with the concept of “demonetization” on various platforms. In essence, many advertisers don’t want their businesses to be associated with certain types of content - especially if that content is offensive.

Whether or not any given user takes our rules seriously, we have to take seriously any terms to which our community is bound.

When we were with Huddler, there was a period in time where the General forum as a whole was essentially de-listed from the inventory available to Google AdSense due to repeated complaints by Google regarding the content in “appreciation threads.”

The bottom line is that we’re not going to reclassify NikeTalk as an “adult site” over this.

I don’t think that’s an unreasonable position. I do, however, think it’s unreasonable to demand that our community should sacrifice resources, incur legal exposure, and risk alienating/offending huge swaths of current/prospective members because a small but vocal number of people can think of no better place to treat their apparent loneliness.
 
Now that we got all the legal stuff out the way, whats the end result?

As long as you're linking pictures/videos from the original poster and media host (IG/TikTok/Etc) the post is good to go?

As long as they are within NT ToS?
 
5 million subscribers, nationally syndicated, and you have people on your team spelling “Lose” as “Loose”? Seriously this is a national issue. I see this in Corporate America to 3rd Ward. People really have to learn. ESPN gotta bring back the spelling bees.

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