Originally Posted by
RKO2004
OK. Lets gets started.
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But its funny you ask, In the beginning of early christianity, which I presume you're referring to, Some gnostic christians in the early church, inverted this story; they said the "God" was Satan, and the snake was Jesus. They reasoned, that any God who wanted to deny man knowledge, could only be a false God, while Jesus would desire people to know the truth.
You see, the "god" of the bible does a lot of REALLY messed up things. Its actually Satan that opens Man's eyes to the reality and harshness of the world and the complexities of life. You could say that the satan of the bible did humanity a favor.
You could also argue that if satan was that evil then you would probably follow him and not even know it since it would confuse you. You really don't even know if you're actually following Satan or God in the first place.
Stop right there. You are already off to a fail. Satan has been going against God since before humanity was created. Lucifer was jealous of God. He wanted to be God.
Being Stumped 101. Class is in session.
"Since humanity was created"
Oh...so 4.6+ billion years, or 10,000?
Lucifer wanted to be god?
Thats funny.
God created something and couldn't even control it.
So much for being "god"...it can't even fend off
posers. How
Omnipotent.
I love how you say this all with such conviction. As if you KNOW this is the case. But of course you do. Its in the bible!
ROUND AND ROUND WE GO!
The meme was funny at first but you seem to actually be able to make an argument for why Lucifer would be the good guy? Seriously?!
Lucifer actually allowed humans to gain knowledge by eating the fruit (if you believe the "snake" was the devil/lucifer/demon whatever)
God killed more people than Satan.
The people satan killed in the bible was actually under the advice/permission of God anyways.
I feel like i'm arguing over chapters of Lord of the Rings or Star Wars accuracy right now.
Religious people are huge geeks when you think about it.
This is fan-fiction at its finest.
Lucifer chose rebel against the will of God.
God creates lucifer...knowing everything about it, knows what its thinking and what it will do, and knowing it has more power than it...and can't control it?
God seems impotent (not enough for Mary though...
Hi-Oh!), to say the least.
He was punished for it. So what good intentions would he have pertaining to us? Why would someone who went against God be good for us or have our best interest at heart?
How do you know that "god" is "god" and lucifer is "lucifer" ?
If you claim the devil is good at deception, how would you REALLY know?
And do you claim to be able to tell the difference?
What do you use to draw that difference?
Like I said, your thirst to go against God is strong, boy.
Which god?
In fact, your lack of praise for Thor or Odin is particularly offensive. I hope by his mighty grace that Zeus does not strike you down as you sleep.
You'll stoop as low as ignoring the obvious reason why Lucifer is the bad guy in this scenario.
Or why God keeps messing up the very thing it creates
...instead of fixing what it created, it just floods them out? How "effective"
It can't even get the story right...first jews, then christians, then muslims.
Dude created the first humans knowing they would do what he knew they would do and still punished them.
God is an MASSIVE punk.
All the evidence seems to point out that Satan has always wanted mankind to be wise and knowledgeable, and has always served as God's tester of man, pointing out hypocrisy and weakness, and serving as god's personal Abu-Graib guardian, as punishment for pissing off the almighty in an earlier scrap.
I'll stop here. Not even going to waste anymore of my or your time, Silly.
Please, I wouldn't want you to waste your time with me either.
Considering you haven't made a point or addressed any claim set for especially after saying this:
RKO2004 wrote:
Scientific Method wrote:
Predictable, non answer still. ANY believer out there want to try?
His and your questions are being answered. Give me some time, I have a separate tab open for him.
I'll be back later...
Heres a meme for you:
Scumbag RKO2004
Says he will come back to answer questions posed to him.
...
Comes back and refuses to answer questions posed to him.
Stop stalling and address those memes on page five like you said you would.
Originally Posted by
GrimlocK
sillyputty wrote:
GrimlocK wrote:
I actually read half of that and then I realized you were gonna ruin my buzz I got going so I stopped.
Yup, grim just ignored all the points you just made. You literally quoted three words out of my passage. Out of all the people that I think take the internet too seriously your the biggest one
Hop off my #@$* and stop trying to quote me all the damn time.
Oh really?
Dudes get their points dismantled and this is how they respond?
Heaven forbid I actually take the time to read what you write AND analyze it. That would be RIDICULOUS!
Dude you wrote 5 paragraphs about another country and took a dump on their religious and economic practices. ...but don't worry though, hes not taking the internet seriously!
Did you just forget this:
http://niketalk.yuku.com/...ated-Meme#reply-12240001
GrimlocK wrote:
I agree that church and state should remain separate and that the laws written unto people by the government to obey should be somewhat similar in say not harming another person but anything beyond that while may seem "sinful" like gay marriage should not be written into our laws. Then again if we do this what's to stop someone from marrying a goat.
Our laws are going to based on the rules or commandments from religions...but it doesn't mean that it should be the same thing or that every commandment from religion should be a law.
India is a place that is totally backwards to me. Corrupt government, humougous separation between rich and poor, caste system still being in effect, and yadda yadda. I'll never understand how a nation can let a movie industry produce so many damn high budget movies yet can't do anything about their poor. They pump so much money in the glitz and the glam of aping American and Europe yet their non upper-class or brahmins or what have you are struggling all the damn time. I can of think that the movies India makes are force-fed to the poor that pack a movie theatre just to blind them from their hard lives as a sort of drug itself.
Knowing how India is actually makes me respect the movie industry in America a bit more because our celebrities actually do more for our country and others than I see happening with those uber-rich movie stars in India.
What a shame. I believe in a god that see's the work you do for others and the help you provide uplifting those around you to a better place, not one that you need to fund huge amounts of money to make a parade filled with trinkets and statues that usually gets scrapped right after the festivities.
Buddy has the memory of a gold fish or something...
Silly you take the time to color code my response to a question and edit your replies till you think it's perfect lmao. And your trying to get me on some "look who's talking" type @$%+. your a lame...get used to that title cuz you got it on lock. In every thread you take the time to dissect responses that are contra to yours and like I said go as far to take a word and quote it. Your like a girl who needs to prove she's right
I think of you as my kid sister. I come on NT for the lulz and to relax not trying to have a back and forth with you girl.
I
Wait...so you want to be free to make your response but get mad when someone:
A. Reads it
B. Responds to each line of it.
C. Exposes contradictions
Damn SillyPutty, why you gotta be reading my responses and stuff?! Whats up with all dat writing? Thats not fair! All you do is bully us! Why can't we just speak with no opposition. Why you gotta address each point I made? Damn! You're so lame. I bet you just sit at around and come up with ways to poke holes in my arguments. Well whateva...you're a lame anyways. You remind me of a woman...a weak one at that. Because sexism doesn't exist in my eyes, so i'll just compare you to a woman. You always think you right about something. Why you gotta always have opinions. Jeez. You always take our fun away. I just come on here for the laughs anyways. You over here highlighting my responses like that MEANS something. I didn't write stuff so you could read it, DUH! You take the internet too seriously. I bet you get no girls. You're probably gay anyways. What type of man don't love jesus? I bet you don't even know where stars come from. Dummy. Probably believe in evolution. Well tell me this sillyputty, how come I ain't no dog? huh? You telling me my girlfriend is gonna give birth to a gorilla?
Religious people don't actually want tolerance. They just want to not be challenged. Lets call it what it really is.
A lot of Emperors trying on new clothes I see around here...
Originally Posted by
GrimlocK
Originally Posted by
Jordan Novice
at those who say something along the lines of "I'm not even going to answer that. Why should I waste my time with ____(insulting name calling)."
And then they go and attack on something that doesn't even matter. Like "Lol, too long, didn't read. Not going to respond to blah blah"
And then they add several emocons of
and that does nothing but make you look foolish. I don't think I've ever seen straight forward answers.
I don't know how sillyputty can continue and put up with this each and every time.
Well you can hop off the nutz too
Why are you so hurt?
Are you even going to TRY and make an argument?
The fascinations with testicles is laughable....yet oddly erotic.
Dude also thinks that theres nothing from stopping us from having sex with horses and frogs.
I mean...if you're into that sort of thing....
Dudes are KINGS of ad-hominems on here
Here is a nice reference for everyone on here:
Dudes are polling in the
Half of this thread is knee deep in the pink and orange.
Originally Posted by
cartune
Ouch! Nice one!
Thats a real shot to the gut.
Tell me. Please.
How was my weekend? What did I do? Who did I see? What did I eat? You know
EVERYTHING about me, right?
Dudes LOVE to stay making assertions they can't back up.
SillyPutty pokes holes in religious arguments...so that means he has no friends and eats TV dinners for breakfast.
This is how I probably chill according to you:
Originally Posted by ONHOLLOWEDGROUND821
Question: If you get "Christian" people to admit God isnt real and they are wrong, what have you accomplished? REAL QUESTION, do you just want to be right? I don't get into these posts anymore but I really wanna know, what do you get if you change a Christian persons mind?
What do you accomplish by telling a kid that Santa isn't real?
Its not like Santa has influence on politics or economics, right?
The judeo-christian-islamic "god" and its followers do. however.
In Kentucky the governor cut 50 million from education and reallocated 45 million to a Creationist Theme Park
SERIOUSLY?!
I mean like i said. Its a completely free country and if you want to be free to believe in a jesus that will return for his faithful (but they get offended when you call them a cult
) then go ahead.
But don't think that I have to respect that or NOT express my criticism of it. Nothing is free from being challenged or questioned no matter how personal it is.
However...
...I will FIGHT for your RIGHT to believe what you want...there is a difference.
Why are you asking me if "just want to be right?"...well, wouldn't you? Or are you ok being wrong about something?
Don't tell me you know something, like the claims made by religious people, then when I investigate the claim, it doesn't stand up.
Originally Posted by AntonLaVey
RKO cliffnotes: "Satan is evil because God said so"
Satan may not be good for you RKO, but based on what I've read in the bible I've concluded that he/it is a better option for me than your God
Funny how Sillyputty has brought up various points as to why Satan is more moral than God but you are yet to address any one of them--Let's start with the obvious God's body count in the bible
Lemme guess slaughtering innocent children and animals is part of his mysterious ways?
Now you're getting it!
Originally Posted by
RKO2004
Originally Posted by
AntonLaVey
Originally Posted by
Jordan Novice
at those who say something along the lines of "I'm not even going to answer that. Why should I waste my time with ____(insulting name calling)."
And then they go and attack on something that doesn't even matter. Like "Lol, too long, didn't read. Not going to respond to blah blah"
Sillyputty organizes post, and quotes and answers each one to make it easier for you to read.
But then he gets bashed for it? For what reason? Of being considerate and making it easier for you to read and answer?
And then they add several emocons of
and that does nothing but make you look foolish. I don't think I've ever seen straight forward answers.
I don't know how sillyputty can continue and put up with this each and every time.
LOL @ RKO leaving to think about his response for hours and that's all he was able to come up with---Silly Putty writes paragraphs of logical and well organized arguments in minutes
The difference in intellectual prowess between people like Putty and RKO is comedy
Dude. Me and Putty have gone back and forth on here and PM before. Why must I keep burning time typing wall of text to prove the same point?
Through PM, HE stopped. IN the thread about the foundation of our rules and regulations. HE stopped.
I don't have the time nor patience to educate you privately on biology 101 and critical thinking.
Go take classes at a community college or Khan academy.
There are private tutors on craigslist.
I stopped replying because your answer was "well where did awl dis stuff come from then?"
Bruh. I'm not wasting my time on educating you on stuff a 10th grader who paid attention can answer.
THe funny part is that you were clearly asking all those questions about the origins and biology because you have doubts deep down and you want me to push you over the edge. There is no way you could be that inquisitive and still be honestly religious.
Just be honest. You're probably more scared of hell or being punished for thought crime than you are because you're pious.
The intellectual prowess? He brought up the argument that "Well maybe Satan isn't that bad. He wanted us to be knowledgeable". That's not something I agree with. I have said before that his intentions are to deceive and turn humans away from God to spite God
AGAIN FOR THE LAST TIME.
IF SATAN WAS SO GOOD AT DECEPTION, HOW ARE YOU ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN SATAN IS NOT DECEIVING YOU RIGHT NOW?
I find myself saying forget it when it comes to these debates now due to going back and forth with others years ago and for what?
Funny how Sillyputty has brought up various points as to why Satan is more moral than God but you are yet to address any one of them--Let's start with the obvious God's body count in the bible
Lets remember something right quick. If we're going by the Bible,
Humans chose their route in life. Those routes were deemed punishable and that's what happened. As I recall, Satan helped get that ball rolling with his role in deceiving humans.
So we're free to do anything...except as long as god allows us to do something.
God has a plan for all of us...but you still pray to change your fate. 
and that does nothing but make you look foolish. I don't think I've ever seen straight forward answers.
