Goodbye, 2010 COLLEGE FOOTBALL SEASON - twas a great year,

[trelvis tha thrilla]

Originally Posted by ooIRON MANoo



Maybe they should focus on stepping up their academics and other sports programs so they could join a decent AQ conference.

Yeah, because its that easy.

Originally Posted by ooIRON MANoo



Sorry, I don't feel bad for Non-AQ's considering they only have to worry about 1-2 OOC games and then it's a cakewalk from there while other teams face stiff competition throughout their conference schedule and a rivalry game to boot w/ some having a Conference Championship game.

I guess you dont want to mention the disadvantages huh? How about having to recruit against the BCS system? How about receiving half as much money as BCS schools do? How about not getting the same payout for going to a BCS game as BCS schools do? I can go on and on. TCU and Boise dont have the built in recruiting advantages that most of these schools have, yet still come up with excellent teams than can play with anyone in the country.

I guess TCU and Boise dont have rivalry games huh? Ever heard of SMU, BYU, Baylor, Idaho, etc...? You can go on and on about the week in and week out garbage. I have been hearing it for years. As long as these teams have Duke, Portland State, Georgia State, etc...on their schedule, the point is mute in my opinion.

Put TCU and Boise on a level playing field with the monetary and recruiting advantages that these AQ schools have and they will become even better.

 

[trelvis tha thrilla]

Originally Posted by ooIRON MANoo



Maybe they should focus on stepping up their academics and other sports programs so they could join a decent AQ conference.

Yeah, because its that easy.

Originally Posted by ooIRON MANoo



Sorry, I don't feel bad for Non-AQ's considering they only have to worry about 1-2 OOC games and then it's a cakewalk from there while other teams face stiff competition throughout their conference schedule and a rivalry game to boot w/ some having a Conference Championship game.

I guess you dont want to mention the disadvantages huh? How about having to recruit against the BCS system? How about receiving half as much money as BCS schools do? How about not getting the same payout for going to a BCS game as BCS schools do? I can go on and on. TCU and Boise dont have the built in recruiting advantages that most of these schools have, yet still come up with excellent teams than can play with anyone in the country.

I guess TCU and Boise dont have rivalry games huh? Ever heard of SMU, BYU, Baylor, Idaho, etc...? You can go on and on about the week in and week out garbage. I have been hearing it for years. As long as these teams have Duke, Portland State, Georgia State, etc...on their schedule, the point is mute in my opinion.

Put TCU and Boise on a level playing field with the monetary and recruiting advantages that these AQ schools have and they will become even better.

 

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[bigmike23]

Dan Hawkins out at colorado

 

[bigmike23]

Dan Hawkins out at colorado

 

[acidicality]

Originally Posted by Bigmike23

Next week's Cal game is a big trap game for them,even Herbie alluded to it during the Stanford-AZ game. If they aren't prepared, Cal is definitely capable of winning despite how bad they've looked at times (all on the road). Cal plays very well at home, they have a running back that can keep the ball out of Oregon's offense, and a defense that forces turnovers at home. Oregon fumbled the ball a few times against UW, if they do that on the road they could find themselves in a bad situation. And they've dominated Oregon at home in past years.
Brock Mansion is very mediocre as a QB, and worse than Kevin Riley

, but he has something to prove to Cal fans and there's no better way for him to do something than against the #1 team

cal has zero shot and you know it.
cal's not ucla though

we'll see.

 

[acidicality]

Originally Posted by Bigmike23

Next week's Cal game is a big trap game for them,even Herbie alluded to it during the Stanford-AZ game. If they aren't prepared, Cal is definitely capable of winning despite how bad they've looked at times (all on the road). Cal plays very well at home, they have a running back that can keep the ball out of Oregon's offense, and a defense that forces turnovers at home. Oregon fumbled the ball a few times against UW, if they do that on the road they could find themselves in a bad situation. And they've dominated Oregon at home in past years.
Brock Mansion is very mediocre as a QB, and worse than Kevin Riley

, but he has something to prove to Cal fans and there's no better way for him to do something than against the #1 team

cal has zero shot and you know it.
cal's not ucla though

we'll see.

 

[statis22]

Originally Posted by Trelvis Tha Thrilla

Originally Posted by ooIRON MANoo



Maybe they should focus on stepping up their academics and other sports programs so they could join a decent AQ conference.

Yeah, because its that easy.

Originally Posted by ooIRON MANoo



Sorry, I don't feel bad for Non-AQ's considering they only have to worry about 1-2 OOC games and then it's a cakewalk from there while other teams face stiff competition throughout their conference schedule and a rivalry game to boot w/ some having a Conference Championship game.

I guess you dont want to mention the disadvantages huh? How about having to recruit against the BCS system? How about receiving half as much money as BCS schools do? How about not getting the same payout for going to a BCS game as BCS schools do? I can go on and on. TCU and Boise dont have the built in recruiting advantages that most of these schools have, yet still come up with excellent teams than can play with anyone in the country.

I guess TCU and Boise dont have rivalry games huh? Ever heard of SMU, BYU, Baylor, Idaho, etc...? You can go on and on about the week in and week out garbage. I have been hearing it for years. As long as these teams have Duke, Portland State, Georgia State, etc...on their schedule, the point is mute in my opinion.

Put TCU and Boise on a level playing field with the monetary and recruiting advantages that these AQ schools have and they will become even better.

Yeah............ No they won't.

 

[statis22]

Originally Posted by Trelvis Tha Thrilla

Originally Posted by ooIRON MANoo



Maybe they should focus on stepping up their academics and other sports programs so they could join a decent AQ conference.

Yeah, because its that easy.

Originally Posted by ooIRON MANoo



Sorry, I don't feel bad for Non-AQ's considering they only have to worry about 1-2 OOC games and then it's a cakewalk from there while other teams face stiff competition throughout their conference schedule and a rivalry game to boot w/ some having a Conference Championship game.

I guess you dont want to mention the disadvantages huh? How about having to recruit against the BCS system? How about receiving half as much money as BCS schools do? How about not getting the same payout for going to a BCS game as BCS schools do? I can go on and on. TCU and Boise dont have the built in recruiting advantages that most of these schools have, yet still come up with excellent teams than can play with anyone in the country.

I guess TCU and Boise dont have rivalry games huh? Ever heard of SMU, BYU, Baylor, Idaho, etc...? You can go on and on about the week in and week out garbage. I have been hearing it for years. As long as these teams have Duke, Portland State, Georgia State, etc...on their schedule, the point is mute in my opinion.

Put TCU and Boise on a level playing field with the monetary and recruiting advantages that these AQ schools have and they will become even better.

Yeah............ No they won't.

 

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[ooiron manoo]

Originally Posted by Trelvis Tha Thrilla

Originally Posted by ooIRON MANoo

Yeah, because its that easy.

Originally Posted by ooIRON MANoo

I guess you dont want to mention the disadvantages huh? How about having to recruit against the BCS system? How about receiving half as much money as BCS schools do? How about not getting the same payout for going to a BCS game as BCS schools do? I can go on and on. TCU and Boise dont have the built in recruiting advantages that most of these schools have, yet still come up with excellent teams than can play with anyone in the country.

I guess TCU and Boise dont have rivalry games huh? Ever heard of SMU, BYU, Baylor, Idaho, etc...? You can go on and on about the week in and week out garbage. I have been hearing it for years. As long as these teams have Duke, Portland State, Georgia State, etc...on their schedule, the point is mute in my opinion.

Put TCU and Boise on a level playing field with the monetary and recruiting advantages that these AQ schools have and they will become even better.

C'mon bro, don't tell me you actually believe all the crap you just typed out.

TCU and Boise State are head and shoulders above every team in their conference.  Remember when everybody thought Alabama was head and shoulders above everyone in the SEC, that didn't last too long did it.  Even though some AQ's have teams like Duke, Portland State on their OOC schedule doesn't change the fact that TCU and Boise State have teams of that caliber on their conference schedule.  Not exactly a moot point as you state it to be.

The conference's that they are in are the weight around the ankles that are holding them down.  They are on top of the world when it comes to Non-AQ's, should of had the balls to go Independent like BYU just did.

I guess TCU and Boise dont have rivalry games huh? Ever heard of SMU, BYU, Baylor, Idaho,

 

[ooiron manoo]

Originally Posted by Trelvis Tha Thrilla

Originally Posted by ooIRON MANoo

Yeah, because its that easy.

Originally Posted by ooIRON MANoo

I guess you dont want to mention the disadvantages huh? How about having to recruit against the BCS system? How about receiving half as much money as BCS schools do? How about not getting the same payout for going to a BCS game as BCS schools do? I can go on and on. TCU and Boise dont have the built in recruiting advantages that most of these schools have, yet still come up with excellent teams than can play with anyone in the country.

I guess TCU and Boise dont have rivalry games huh? Ever heard of SMU, BYU, Baylor, Idaho, etc...? You can go on and on about the week in and week out garbage. I have been hearing it for years. As long as these teams have Duke, Portland State, Georgia State, etc...on their schedule, the point is mute in my opinion.

Put TCU and Boise on a level playing field with the monetary and recruiting advantages that these AQ schools have and they will become even better.

C'mon bro, don't tell me you actually believe all the crap you just typed out.

TCU and Boise State are head and shoulders above every team in their conference.  Remember when everybody thought Alabama was head and shoulders above everyone in the SEC, that didn't last too long did it.  Even though some AQ's have teams like Duke, Portland State on their OOC schedule doesn't change the fact that TCU and Boise State have teams of that caliber on their conference schedule.  Not exactly a moot point as you state it to be.

The conference's that they are in are the weight around the ankles that are holding them down.  They are on top of the world when it comes to Non-AQ's, should of had the balls to go Independent like BYU just did.

I guess TCU and Boise dont have rivalry games huh? Ever heard of SMU, BYU, Baylor, Idaho,

 

[5am6oody72]

ooIRON MANoo wrote:

I guess TCU and Boise dont have rivalry games huh? Ever heard of SMU, BYU, Baylor, Idaho,

Word

IDAHO? Really though, IDAHO?
And to dead his whole argument about how if Boise and TCU had all the recruiting advantages and $$ they'd be lighting the world on fire, they'd also have to play in a real conference and get tested most weeks instead of coasting through cupcake schedules. Both programs are very well coached, but don't act like they have some magic formula there where if you gave them the same advantages other programs have they'd still go undefeated every year in the PAC 10 or Big 12 like they do in the WAC and MWC. Let's see how many undefeated or 11 win seasons Utah has in the PAC 10.

 

[5am6oody72]

ooIRON MANoo wrote:

I guess TCU and Boise dont have rivalry games huh? Ever heard of SMU, BYU, Baylor, Idaho,

Word

IDAHO? Really though, IDAHO?
And to dead his whole argument about how if Boise and TCU had all the recruiting advantages and $$ they'd be lighting the world on fire, they'd also have to play in a real conference and get tested most weeks instead of coasting through cupcake schedules. Both programs are very well coached, but don't act like they have some magic formula there where if you gave them the same advantages other programs have they'd still go undefeated every year in the PAC 10 or Big 12 like they do in the WAC and MWC. Let's see how many undefeated or 11 win seasons Utah has in the PAC 10.

 

[trelvis tha thrilla]

Originally Posted by ooIRON MANoo

C'mon bro, don't tell me you actually believe all the crap you just typed out.


Yes I do.

Originally Posted by ooIRON MANoo


TCU and Boise State are head and shoulders above every team in their conference. 

And what does that have to do with anything? Oregon is head and shoulders better than everyone in the Pac-10 right now.

Originally Posted by ooIRON MANoo

 Even though some AQ's have teams like Duke, Portland State on their OOC schedule doesn't change the fact that TCU and Boise State have teams of that caliber on their conference schedule.  Not exactly a moot point as you state it to be.

You made my point for me. The week in and week out argument is a joke. Every team in every conference has weak teams on their schedule. Even the teams in the SEC. Im sorry, but im just not buying into the argument. You arent playing ranked teams every week period.

Originally Posted by ooIRON MANoo



The conference's that they are in are the weight around the ankles that are holding them down.  They are on top of the world when it comes to Non-AQ's, should of had the balls to go Independent like BYU just did.

This wasnt even a scheduling argument to begin with. You want to say TCU and Boise have a big advantage when in all actuality they deck is stacked against those teams and you know it.

Originally Posted by ooIRON MANoo

should of had the balls to go Independent like BYU just did.

Um no, that was a terrible decision by BYU.

Originally Posted by ooIRON MANoo

I guess TCU and Boise dont have rivalry games huh? Ever heard of SMU, BYU, Baylor, Idaho,

You said they dont have rivals. Those are those teams rivals. Dont exactly see what you are laughing about. Not like I said it was Texas/OU or something. Are you going to laugh at Ohio State/Michigan also? Because Michigan isnt great....

Originally Posted by Statis22

Put TCU and Boise on a level playing field with the monetary and recruiting advantages that these AQ schools have and they will become even better.

Yeah............ No they won't.

And why not? They already compete with disadvantages. Give them the money and recruiting and they will only improve.

Originally Posted by 5am6oody72


Word

IDAHO? Really though, IDAHO?

Is Idaho not Boise States rival?

Originally Posted by 5am6oody72

 they'd also have to play in a real conference and get tested most weeks instead of coasting through cupcake schedules.

You mean like playing 2-7 Portland State, 4-5 Arizona State, 1-9 Washington State, and 3-6 Washington?? That is Oregons schedule. That sure is a week in and week out grind. Or how about Ohio State, they play killer 3-6 Marshall, 4-5 Indiana, etc...Lets get real. I dont like schedule smack talk, I think its stupid, but dont sit here and preach to me about week in and week out when there is soft teams on everyones schedule. EVERYONE

Originally Posted by 5am6oody72

gave them the same advantages other programs have they'd still go undefeated every year in the PAC 10 or Big 12 like they do in the WAC and MWC.

Who said they would go undefeated every year? I dont think they will. TCU wont go undefeated next year. I have no problem saying though that I think TCU would win the Big XII, Big Ten, ACC, and Big East this year. I think they could have won those conferences last year also. Its all speculation though so it really doesnt matter.

 

[trelvis tha thrilla]

Originally Posted by ooIRON MANoo

C'mon bro, don't tell me you actually believe all the crap you just typed out.


Yes I do.

Originally Posted by ooIRON MANoo


TCU and Boise State are head and shoulders above every team in their conference. 

And what does that have to do with anything? Oregon is head and shoulders better than everyone in the Pac-10 right now.

Originally Posted by ooIRON MANoo

 Even though some AQ's have teams like Duke, Portland State on their OOC schedule doesn't change the fact that TCU and Boise State have teams of that caliber on their conference schedule.  Not exactly a moot point as you state it to be.

You made my point for me. The week in and week out argument is a joke. Every team in every conference has weak teams on their schedule. Even the teams in the SEC. Im sorry, but im just not buying into the argument. You arent playing ranked teams every week period.

Originally Posted by ooIRON MANoo



The conference's that they are in are the weight around the ankles that are holding them down.  They are on top of the world when it comes to Non-AQ's, should of had the balls to go Independent like BYU just did.

This wasnt even a scheduling argument to begin with. You want to say TCU and Boise have a big advantage when in all actuality they deck is stacked against those teams and you know it.

Originally Posted by ooIRON MANoo

should of had the balls to go Independent like BYU just did.

Um no, that was a terrible decision by BYU.

Originally Posted by ooIRON MANoo

I guess TCU and Boise dont have rivalry games huh? Ever heard of SMU, BYU, Baylor, Idaho,

You said they dont have rivals. Those are those teams rivals. Dont exactly see what you are laughing about. Not like I said it was Texas/OU or something. Are you going to laugh at Ohio State/Michigan also? Because Michigan isnt great....

Originally Posted by Statis22

Put TCU and Boise on a level playing field with the monetary and recruiting advantages that these AQ schools have and they will become even better.

Yeah............ No they won't.

And why not? They already compete with disadvantages. Give them the money and recruiting and they will only improve.

Originally Posted by 5am6oody72


Word

IDAHO? Really though, IDAHO?

Is Idaho not Boise States rival?

Originally Posted by 5am6oody72

 they'd also have to play in a real conference and get tested most weeks instead of coasting through cupcake schedules.

You mean like playing 2-7 Portland State, 4-5 Arizona State, 1-9 Washington State, and 3-6 Washington?? That is Oregons schedule. That sure is a week in and week out grind. Or how about Ohio State, they play killer 3-6 Marshall, 4-5 Indiana, etc...Lets get real. I dont like schedule smack talk, I think its stupid, but dont sit here and preach to me about week in and week out when there is soft teams on everyones schedule. EVERYONE

Originally Posted by 5am6oody72

gave them the same advantages other programs have they'd still go undefeated every year in the PAC 10 or Big 12 like they do in the WAC and MWC.

Who said they would go undefeated every year? I dont think they will. TCU wont go undefeated next year. I have no problem saying though that I think TCU would win the Big XII, Big Ten, ACC, and Big East this year. I think they could have won those conferences last year also. Its all speculation though so it really doesnt matter.

 

[statis22]

That's good and all but how would they recruit relative to the top teams in those respective conferences or the top in state schools.

Say they were in the Pac 10:

They won't outrecruit USC or UCLA in California
They won't outrecruit UW in Washington
They won't outrecruit Arizona or ASU in Arizona.
They don't have a mega booster like Oregon does.
They (TCU) don't get the best recruits in their own state.

What would stop TCU or Boise State from becoming the new Oregon State or Arizona State (no offense to those respective teams) of the Pac 10. Sure every couple of years they compete for the conference title but no way they're NC contenders like they are now.

It matters.

 

[statis22]

That's good and all but how would they recruit relative to the top teams in those respective conferences or the top in state schools.

Say they were in the Pac 10:

They won't outrecruit USC or UCLA in California
They won't outrecruit UW in Washington
They won't outrecruit Arizona or ASU in Arizona.
They don't have a mega booster like Oregon does.
They (TCU) don't get the best recruits in their own state.

What would stop TCU or Boise State from becoming the new Oregon State or Arizona State (no offense to those respective teams) of the Pac 10. Sure every couple of years they compete for the conference title but no way they're NC contenders like they are now.

It matters.

 

[pmatic]

Originally Posted by Statis22

That's good and all but how would they recruit relative to the top teams in those respective conferences or the top in state schools.

Say they were in the Pac 10:

They won't outrecruit USC or UCLA in California
They won't outrecruit UW in Washington
They won't outrecruit Arizona or ASU in Arizona.
They don't have a mega booster like Oregon does.
They (TCU) don't get the best recruits in their own state.

What would stop TCU or Boise State from becoming the new Oregon State or Arizona State (no offense to those respective teams) of the Pac 10. Sure every couple of years they compete for the conference title but no way they're NC contenders like they are now.

It matters.

Someone wouldn't be happy if they read this.

 

[pmatic]

Originally Posted by Statis22

That's good and all but how would they recruit relative to the top teams in those respective conferences or the top in state schools.

Say they were in the Pac 10:

They won't outrecruit USC or UCLA in California
They won't outrecruit UW in Washington
They won't outrecruit Arizona or ASU in Arizona.
They don't have a mega booster like Oregon does.
They (TCU) don't get the best recruits in their own state.

What would stop TCU or Boise State from becoming the new Oregon State or Arizona State (no offense to those respective teams) of the Pac 10. Sure every couple of years they compete for the conference title but no way they're NC contenders like they are now.

It matters.

Someone wouldn't be happy if they read this.

 

[ooiron manoo]

You made my point for me. The week in and week out argument is a joke. Every team in every conference has weak teams on their schedule. Even the teams in the SEC. Im sorry, but im just not buying into the argument. You arent playing ranked teams every week period.
How did I make the point for you?  You are clearly seeing what you want to see.

Yes, every team has a weak opponent here and there doesn't change the fact that TCU's entire conference schedule is weak w/ the exception of Utah.

This wasnt even a scheduling argument to begin with. You want to say TCU and Boise have a big advantage when in all actuality they deck is stacked against those teams and you know it.
Never said they have an advantage.  I said I don't feel bad that teams from major conferences are jumping them.  This "Let's feel bad for little ol' Boise and TCU" act is getting funny.

Um no, that was a terrible decision by BYU.
On the surface yes, and claiming they are the ND of the West was comical as well.  Sure the landscape of CFB has changed dramatically since they won a National Title (1984) as an Independent, but BYU knew damn well that being in the MWC was doing them no favors as well.  It was a bold move, you have to give them that.

You said they dont have rivals. Those are those teams rivals. Dont exactly see what you are laughing about. Not like I said it was Texas/OU or something. Are you going to laugh at Ohio State/Michigan also? Because Michigan isnt great....
Ok, let me rephrase what I said so you can get it... TCU and Boise State don't have a rival worth a %$@%.  Some teams have multiple rivals with major teams.

I think a 1 loss Auburn and/or Oregon should play in the title game over an undefeated Boise State/TCU.

Can you honestly say Boise State/TCU would go undefeated against Oregon/Auburns schedule?

 

[ooiron manoo]

You made my point for me. The week in and week out argument is a joke. Every team in every conference has weak teams on their schedule. Even the teams in the SEC. Im sorry, but im just not buying into the argument. You arent playing ranked teams every week period.
How did I make the point for you?  You are clearly seeing what you want to see.

Yes, every team has a weak opponent here and there doesn't change the fact that TCU's entire conference schedule is weak w/ the exception of Utah.

This wasnt even a scheduling argument to begin with. You want to say TCU and Boise have a big advantage when in all actuality they deck is stacked against those teams and you know it.
Never said they have an advantage.  I said I don't feel bad that teams from major conferences are jumping them.  This "Let's feel bad for little ol' Boise and TCU" act is getting funny.

Um no, that was a terrible decision by BYU.
On the surface yes, and claiming they are the ND of the West was comical as well.  Sure the landscape of CFB has changed dramatically since they won a National Title (1984) as an Independent, but BYU knew damn well that being in the MWC was doing them no favors as well.  It was a bold move, you have to give them that.

You said they dont have rivals. Those are those teams rivals. Dont exactly see what you are laughing about. Not like I said it was Texas/OU or something. Are you going to laugh at Ohio State/Michigan also? Because Michigan isnt great....
Ok, let me rephrase what I said so you can get it... TCU and Boise State don't have a rival worth a %$@%.  Some teams have multiple rivals with major teams.

I think a 1 loss Auburn and/or Oregon should play in the title game over an undefeated Boise State/TCU.

Can you honestly say Boise State/TCU would go undefeated against Oregon/Auburns schedule?

 

[trelvis tha thrilla]

Originally Posted by Statis22

That's good and all but how would they recruit relative to the top teams in those respective conferences or the top in state schools.

Say they were in the Pac 10:

They won't outrecruit USC or UCLA in California
They won't outrecruit UW in Washington
They won't outrecruit Arizona or ASU in Arizona.
They don't have a mega booster like Oregon does.
They (TCU) don't get the best recruits in their own state.

It would depend on the success they had. If TCU came into Pac-10 and tanked, then yeah, they would obviously not recruit well. They also dont need to out recruit USC in California or UW in Washington because they are in their own hotbed of talent in Texas. They currently get the 2nd and 3rd tier of Texas talent and are still out playing people. I also think Patterson is one of the best talent evaluators there is in college football. Did you ever think they dont get better talent in Texas because they have to recruit against the BCS system? BCS schools have a built in advantage over them.

TCU might not have a Phil Knight, but we just raised over $125 million from our boosters alone to renovate our stadium. TCU isnt hurting, trust me.