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some of you are acting like JB retros are premium quality shoes.
a hyped shoe does not equal a high quality shoe.
a hyped shoe does not equal a high quality shoe.
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Anyone who hoops in retro jays is a moron, they are terrible compared to today's standards. OG jays were a different story, before the quality went downhill. Most of my jays I can't even wear casually more than about 4 hours without my feet hurting...
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Bro none of what u name is near the quality it was 5-6 years ago...
And the carbon fiber everyone refers to on these Jordans I strongly believe is plastic.
The Kevlar on the lebron elites? I've seen numerous pairs come out the box w/ chips and cracks in the pieces
Bottom line, these sneakers are not being made w/ the quality materials/craftsmanship that they are being marketed as
YEP AND YEP
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Yeah, I said that in my last post. Retro Js are definitely not the ticket for hoopin'. Crazy that they used to be $100, and were official basketball shoes, and now they are double the price(if you are lucky) and won't even stand up on the court.
No wonder people are turning to other options.
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I dont approve of grey market shoes but i ball in retros and its cause those shoes mean alot to me sometimes idgaf about comfort, alot of the shoes i wear have sentimental value to me
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nike started messing up when they sarted using that pleather and started sucking out the air from air max soles.
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some are, but one is not guaranteed this when buying a black market pair
in other words, you may or may not get a 'stolen out the factory' pair - depending on who & when you buy from - you might just get a 'full-blown' fake pair
you are incorrectly conflating all black market dealers & making the assumption all pairs are equal, it's just not that cut & dry
while one can identify the practice, it's much harder to prove where individual pairs come from
but hear only what you want
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I can respect that, if your feet allow it, more power to ya.
I remember back in 2000, I wore my platinum AJ 1 for bball once. Was terrible
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Dont forget when they decided to stop using durabuck
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Ima say this and then I'm out 
If I go to the mall and pick up a puma Clyde/Suede and the materials on that $70 shoe is better than stuff on a $180-280 from Nike who's marketing the shoe to me as a premium/high quality sneaker that's a problem.
Y'all can go back and forth about who shoes are realer but I firmly believe if they made from same materials with the same craftsmanship they're the same.
Nike need to just tier their products and start calling the stuff they selling to customers now the swingman or replica versions... Use the original molds and materials on their retro stuff and give us the Stuff that Bron actually hoops in, jack the price up like theyre accustomed to doing and call that stuff the authentic version
They do it w/ jerseys why not shoes?
If I go to the mall and pick up a puma Clyde/Suede and the materials on that $70 shoe is better than stuff on a $180-280 from Nike who's marketing the shoe to me as a premium/high quality sneaker that's a problem.
Y'all can go back and forth about who shoes are realer but I firmly believe if they made from same materials with the same craftsmanship they're the same.
Nike need to just tier their products and start calling the stuff they selling to customers now the swingman or replica versions
... Use the original molds and materials on their retro stuff and give us the Stuff that Bron actually hoops in, jack the price up like theyre accustomed to doing and call that stuff the authentic version They do it w/ jerseys why not shoes?
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This is very true. It is just like any black market transaction, it is based on trust and reputation and a continued business relationship. Sometimes you have to take one for the team. If you don't have the money to blow, don't even attempt it, stick to Footlocker or Eastbay where you know exactly what you are getting. I do believe that all of these prereleases and preorders on Ebay are grey market items. I have spoken with three friends who have been heavy on sneakers for a long time(one is in the industry, and another actually gets authentic prereleases direct from Nike), and whose opinions on kicks I hold in high regard, and they all either own, or have seen grey market Js that they swear are not discernible from store bought authentics.
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I'm pretty sure none of the retro jays use any kind of REAL leather anymore. Its all synthetic man-made materials. Compare it to composite wood floors vs real hardwood floors...
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see, that's the thing rabbit - not all are made with the same 'craftsmanship' or identical materials
you're making that a given which it is not
you're making that a given which it is not
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if those guys you spoke to have no problem with these black market pairs (which you didn't specify,) i wouldn't hold them in such high respect
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Ima say this and then I'm out
If I go to the mall and pick up a puma Clyde/Suede and the materials on that $70 shoe is better than stuff on a $180-280 from Nike who's marketing the shoe to me as a premium/high quality sneaker that's a problem.
Y'all can go back and forth about who shoes are realer but I firmly believe if they made from same materials with the same craftsmanship they're the same.
Nike need to just tier their products and start calling the stuff they selling to customers now the swingman or replica versions
They do it w/ jerseys why not shoes?
We actually had a thread about this before. It was suggested that Nike have high quality retro Js made to order for $300-$400 a pair. It will never happen. Nike is banking right now and they love the hype.
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I swear Nike is laughing at us just testing people to see what theyll buy. Its not like Nike doesnt have access to durabuck anymore. Take notice when the VIs retroed the OG blk/red were suede while the Oreos used durabuck.
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^and if we soon see black-cement 4's & black-metallic 5s with nike air treatment - am willing to bet they use da durabuck or whatever the hell the original stuff was
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I said that I hold their opinions on kicks in high regard. Why should they have a problem with them? They don't work for Nike and Nike isn't going to feed their kids if they die in a car accident. I can't remember Nike ever giving me anything but some poor quality shoes for an inflated price. At least Timberland will give me a new pair of shoes if the lace eyelets come off or the sole breaks, and Toms (even though I wouldn't be caught dead in them) give a pair to those less fortunate for every pair purchased. Nike is the king of price gouging and slave labor. It baffles me why some of you show such loyalty to them.
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sour grapes is not a good rational for me to start indulging in fake kicks & it never will be
obviously for some, this plays a major factor tho
(yes nike is in large part to blame for this but it doesn't change my stance on the issue)
obviously for some, this plays a major factor tho
(yes nike is in large part to blame for this but it doesn't change my stance on the issue)
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if i were to make a statement with my consumerism, i'd opt out of buying nike products altogether before copping fakes
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Your focus is that we are preaching brand loyalty when that isn't even the case, I'm saying someone else entirely is getting over on people and thats not good either. If your going to purchase grey market eyes wide open then it isn't an issue for anyone other than you but there are a bunch of people that are getting got thinking they are purchasing and in some cases selling authentic goods.
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Yeah I feel the same way, I mentioned it earlier in the thread. I am bitter over missing so many recent releases due to resellers and site crashes/sellouts, and If I can find a pair of equal quality that isn't authorized by Nike, then it is what it is.
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It is all linked together. If the grey markets are identical to real ones, then the only problem that you could possibly have is loyalty to Nike, or the issue of illegality.Ebay and Craigslist resellers are snatching these official kicks up from people who want to wear them, and inflating the prices. My hope is that the fakes get so good and so prevalent, that it kills the resale industry. Of course everyone would rather buy directly from Nike, the grey markets actually cost more than retail, but it is getting harder and harder to get official releases unless you have some type of inside hookup. Like I said before, if you are worrying about getting got, then stick to Eastbay, etc. and just do without the kicks if you can't get them on release day or are adamantly opposed to fakes.
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