HBO: † "The Leftovers" Series Discussion...†

[aepps20]

is tom a heel or a good guy now? 

i mean takin ppl pain away seem like a good thing

otherwise everybody just a potential gr candidate right? 

Tom is a good guy in the sense that he's trying to take people's pain away but I think it's all an act. He is trying to take people that are susceptible to the GR and use his cult like tactics to save them. He's selling former GR members the same nonsense the GR sells to its members. I think that's being a bad guy.

 

[quise2024]

Tom isnt the new wayne .. thats just something theyre doing to keep the recovering GR group around and not feel helpless, sad, and alone.

Not sure why they didnt think the GR houses wouldnt communicate when their members are leaving 1 by 1. Theres always 1 who leads that talks so theres communication. Example: Patti talked to Meg when she joined, Patti tried to get Lorie to talk, Meg talks to Tom.


Now that whole scene with her riding him was just pointless? What was that suppose to represent? Cuz Tom aint gonna say nothing about that happening .. she should have burned Tom like she threatend. GR aint ish


When the scene EP started I figured Lorie must be doing something with that car because she washed it so carefully, not like it was sparkling new whip either.

In that book she should have told why she joined the GR and how she ditched her fam like the editor peeps wanted.

So dude wasnt strong enough to pull the steering wheel back the other way? Or better yet just turn it left even more and take the car off the road completely the lady looked unstable anyway


I need to go back and watch the end of Season 1, didnt Kevin run in to Wayne in the bathroom somewhere?

 

[a-friend]

That whole story Tom made up about Wayne passing his power was a lie.

After Lori had the breakdown in the car after the Editor meeting she said "we're losing" and Tom said "they're (the GR) giving them something, we're not, we're just stripping them down and not giving them anything to replace it with", then Lori said "well let's give them something", and then Tom made up that elaborate story.

It's all a lie, he can't hug **** away, but if the people believe he can, he's giving them something to believe in

 

[Master Zik]

I'm pretty sure half the story is true if not at all.

Tom and Wayne did have those talks over the course of the season. Wayne did suddenly call a few times when Tom really needed him. We don't see him say give the baby to his Kevin (or Nora) though. He did imply he was gonna die (I forget did he call him in the bathroom after he caught those bullets to the stomach?). Wayne definitely did try to hug Tom's pain away and he said no. They even talked about that as Wayne pretended like he knew more about Tom's past after he said no to the hug. Wayne did explain things to him in his talks about ppl's pain but never specifically about his power.

If Tom is shown to have the power or ppl are relieved after hugging him it just may be that he's faking it and the real revelation is that Wayne was faking it the whole damn time too and nobody has special hug your pain away powers.

 

[quise2024]

Wayne was fake too though ... the hug was simply something to make people feel comfort. Wayne used that after all the departures. He prob thought he was something special to begin with then the departures happened and he built on top of it.


Think about it, charge some ridiculous price to fund your cult and line your pockets. All those people feeling "burdened" lonely and sad because they lost their loved ones more than likely never got to just grieve and have someone say its ok and you can move on.

All Wayne was doing is saying hes taking the "pain" (sadness) so they dont have to worry about it anymore. Charging 10k or w/e the price .. if its expensive its gotta work right?


They brought that hug ish up so they could keep the faith with the people Lori had coming to her sessions

Well the GR is going to make their way to Jarden soon though as we've seen in the trailers

 

[je ne sais quoi]

I figure Tom got some kind of hug powers, which would explain why he didn't hug his sister "because he was sick", but still touched her face with his hands and kissed her goodbye.

Tom didn't choose the Hug Life...Hug Life chose him.

 

[a-friend]

I just hope this show doesn't go Way Way left field like True Blood did. 

 

[Master Zik]

There's an argument both for the hug powers being real and for them being fake and Wayne was just scamming ppl.

Nothing can explain all of these ppl literally feeling like their burdens and pain were gone after getting the hugs. This isn't just ppl who didn't have time to grieve and all they needed was a hug. There's more to it. We saw a good deal of his customers. It wasn't all just wanting to believe.

Nora was skeptical as **** about it but just did it to see what was up. She had already tried to cope, she had accepted what happened, the burden was still there though. Once Wayne hugged her she switched up and didn't need prostitutes to shoot her nightly.

While it being fake is one way to definitely go I'd say the entire concept of the show has already established this supernatural ****. We got a mass disappearance of ppl literally in to thin air. So all these magical negroes popping up isn't that far fetched. Last thing left really is to see how that connects with mentally ill ppl (Kevin, his dad, etc.)

 

[hand2handking]

how the mom helpin families reunite but cant talk to kevin or jill? 

 

[quise2024]

So I was reading somewhere that there may be a connection between Kevin's father going to Australia to "start over", and the homeless man in the mini tower in the middle of Miracle wanting to send his letter to someone in Australia. Supposedly back in the day there was this leader of something that said some kinda biblical/supernatural ocurrence happened there.

edit: found it 

There’s the comment Kevin’s father, fresh out of the mental institution and suddenly “cured,” makes after announcing his plans to go to Australia (again with the Australia references!): “I can cry about how the world ended. Or I can start it up again.” (This notion of starting it up again — coupled with the letter that Miracle’s homeless guy sent to a David Burton in Sydney in the premiere — suggests there may be a new religious movement of some kind forming Down Under. As I noted in last week's recap, H. David Burton is the name of an actual former Mormon Church leader who once did missionary work in Australia. It’s also worth mentioning that Mormonism was first born in western New York, perhaps not far from the fictional “Leftovers” version of Mapleton. )

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/10/11/the-leftovers-season-2-episode-2-recap/?_r=0

 

[rolintag]

the book guy lorie met with also talked about someone from australia when talking about a rulebook. 

"this nut from australia says he came back from the other side and can't die"

 

[Master Zik]

I won't go looking for clues and trying to connect the dots with this show. I haven't forgotten one of the LOST creators help adapt this story for tv

 

[a-friend]

These dudes are not hugging peoples problems away.

I don't care if Nora felt great after getting hugged.

I don't care who felt great after getting hugged.

They felt great because they wanted to believe they felt great.

Basically, the people decide they want to feel better after the hugs, Wayne and Tom are going to take the credit because the people give it to them, they allow them to have it.

 

[a-friend]

If you believe in something, it makes it real.

In that way only, are they taking peoples problems with hugs. 

One in the same but only because the power is given to them by those who believe.

The minute people stop believing, the power is gone.

 

[Master Zik]

These dudes are not hugging peoples problems away.
I don't care if Nora felt great after getting hugged.
I don't care who felt great after getting hugged.
They felt great because they wanted to believe they felt great.

Basically, the people decide they want to feel better after the hugs, Wayne and Tom are going to take the credit because the people give it to them, they allow them to have it.

Unless it's not that and Wayne did have magical powers and he somehow taught/passed it on to Tom.

I mean in a world where so many ppl just up and disappeared how can you tell what's legit and what's not?

If you believe in something, it makes it real.
In that way only, are they taking peoples problems with hugs.

One in the same but only because the power is given to them by those who believe.
The minute people stop believing, the power is gone.

So if somebody believes nobody disappeared that makes it real?

There's reality and then there's perception. Quantum physics aside, only one of those are objective.

 

[a-friend]

Unless it's not that and Wayne did have magical powers and he somehow taught/passed it on to Tom.

I mean in a world where so many ppl just up and disappeared how can you tell what's legit and what's not?

True and True.

I'm team #fakeHugPower though

 

[a-friend]

 

If you believe in something, it makes it real.
In that way only, are they taking peoples problems with hugs.

One in the same but only because the power is given to them by those who believe.
The minute people stop believing, the power is gone.

So if somebody believes nobody disappeared that makes it real?

There's reality and then there's perception. Quantum physics aside, only one of those are objective.

Now you are comparing two different things and using the same logic.

People disappear and the seeing is the believing.

Faith vs Fact

 

[Master Zik]

 
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If you believe in something, it makes it real.

In that way only, are they taking peoples problems with hugs.


One in the same but only because the power is given to them by those who believe.

The minute people stop believing, the power is gone.

So if somebody believes nobody disappeared that makes it real?


There's reality and then there's perception. Quantum physics aside, only one of those are objective.

Now you are comparing two different things and using the same logic.

People disappear and the seeing is the believing.

Faith vs Fact

You're the one that's making that distinction though. I didn't agree to that.

Hugging your pain away may be a fact in that world no different than the ppl who disappeared.

Belief could be completely irrelevant. Faith could have no factor.

Like I said with the Nora scene/ep. It's not like she went in to that believing Wayne could do it and last I checked believing and wanting something aint the same thing.

 

[a-friend]

One you can see.

One you can't. 

I'm not making a distinction, it's just distinct.

You can see a person disappear.

You can't see a persons pain leave from a hug.

You can't see how that is distinct without me making it distinct?

 

[Master Zik]

Seeing it happen is ******* irrelevant

The distinction you made was saying it's about belief and faith. You made that up entirely on your own. Wayne never said as long as you believe I can do this then I can do it. That's what I'm talking about. Not seeing ppl disappear and not seeing a person's pain leave them. That's why I can compare the two.

Facts are not solely based on what the human eye can see. This is basic logic.

Just because you can't see air doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Just cuz you can't see gravity doesn't mean it doesn't exist. We can feel those things. We can observe the effects of those things on other things.

So just because you can't see pain leave someone after they're hugged that has no bearing on whether it happened or not.

The stance that the hugs do in fact take away pain have nothing to do with seeing it happen.

You can't be serious with the I didn't see it so it didn't happen argument

 

[a-friend]

 
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You're the one that's making that distinction though. I didn't agree to that.

Hugging your pain away may be a fact in that world no different than the ppl who disappeared.

Belief could be completely irrelevant. Faith could have no factor.


Like I said with the Nora scene/ep. It's not like she went in to that believing Wayne could do it and last I checked believing and wanting something aint the same thing.

Listen to yourself
And I didn't even read that last post. You're really wilding out, you are trying to argue something that isn't anything, and you are doing this IN EVERY thread.

You're blocked G. You're writing **** again

 

[Master Zik]

Listen to yourself
And I didn't even read that last post. You're really wilding out, you are trying to argue something that isn't anything, and you are doing this IN EVERY thread.

You're blocked G. You're writing **** again

If you don't want to discuss it or argue it then don't.

All I did was argue the opposing side.

I don't agree with this believing it makes it real theory you just made up.

If the stance is the pain is being hugged away for real and I make the comparison to ppl actually disappearing there's nothing wrong with that. You trying to explain how it works to you is irrelevant to what I'm saying.

You made a poor argument about only seeing something happen means it happened. Now you're abandoning it under what's going on in different threads If you wanna give up, give up. Don't blame it on anything other than yourself though.

If I'm blocked though, I hope it stays that way. It being that time of the month for you has gotten old and tired.

 

[je ne sais quoi]

Hugs are real, B.

 

[spiceman80]

I think this question was answered in Season 1 with Pat, but I don't remember, and seeing Laurie struggling to pay the rent had me thinking. How does the GR maintain their lifestyle? Although it is simple, they still need to pay rent/mortgage, buying food , cigarettes, all those markers and notepads can be expensive too Where does the money come from? I remember her buying the church when the pastor couldn't make the payments, but I don't recall where they get the money from.

I don't know about you guys but if I was Tom I would be writing Meg mad notes trying to reup on what happened on the truck. Not sure which feeling is worse though. Stopping that raw smash prematurely, or the threat of being burned alive by Meg.

All jokes aside, I don't get the point of her doing that then just dipping on him. Any insight to her reasoning for doing that, rather than just dousing him with the gasoline from the jump?

 

[a-friend]

"now, Who wants a hug"



Song is dope. It actually makes my pain go away.