Houston Rockets Thread - Preseason vs Spurs (Friday)

[do work son]

reports out that greivis vasquez said the twolves and rockets are interested in him. i'm already thinking bev is gone because someone will offer him more money than we will. bring over Llull and Vasquez and point is upgraded. also read we're trying to get the 25th or 26th pick in the first as well. most likely a nick johnson + 32 for 25 or 26.

do you know who we're trying to move up to get (7 spots later than we already got, right) ?

not sure. i just read we're trying to move up. don't know if that means using that first and our own to package a deal for lawson, or actually using both picks

edit: if we don't trade the picks i'd like if we came away with 2 of the following 3: Jerrian Grant, Justin Anderson, RHJ

 

[bonafide hustla]

ah, i guess I'll trust in Morey. Has boded well thus far. I hope his hands aren't too tied considering our expectations are higher now

 

[do work son]

ah, i guess I'll trust in Morey. Has boded well thus far. I hope his hands aren't too tied considering our expectations are higher now

i think his hands being tied is what's pushing tjones trade rumors. he has talent and potential but i don't know how long we can wait given our current expectations

 

[bonafide hustla]

:\ word. a little uneasy about it. this is a draft I think every team has to try and get at least one guy. ****'s deep as hell, imo

 

[do work son]

:\ word. a little uneasy about it. this is a draft I think every team has to try and get at least one guy. ****'s deep as hell, imo

I truly think beverly is gone. i can't imagine giving him more than 4-5 million a year. i think someone else, dallas or LA offers him more money.

I'm not completely sold on Llull because I'm afraid it'll be another Vasillis Spanoulis. That's partly why I want to add Collison and Stauskus. I trust Darren Collison. He'd be a solid option regardless if we bring Llull over or if we bring Beverly back. Not sure how to feel if we bring Beverly back AND bring LLull over. This doesn't even factor in drafting Jerrian Grant at 18 (that's assuming McHale plays him or any rookie we draft)

Then to address SF. I wonder about Brewer too. He's opting out of a 6 million dollar deal. I can't see us paying him more than that. Unless he takes a massive paycut, he's got to go too. That's why I'd like to look at Justin Anderson and RHJ.

RHJ

Justin Anderson

 

[bonafide hustla]

agreed^...

good point about the SF position^

I rock with both of those guys...

Maybe that's the reason we're trying to move up from that early 2nd to late 1st...

 

[markangelo]

 

[do work son]

just messing around with trade machine today

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[bonafide hustla]

Jruuuuuuu 2chainz voice>


(despite being somewhat injury prone)

Just read an article about Gentry wanting to keep Jrue in NOLA though....

btw, I may have said this already, but we lose big with Alvin Gentry coming to our division. **** sucks man. NOLA (somewhat) had our number in the reg season last year too. smh



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[Peep Game]

DMO so valuable to us. He's by far our best back to basket offensive player. His post game ***** on Dwight's and it still has some ceiling left. If we can get him stronger and a little more explosive, he will be una problema mejor

Agreed. DMo and Bev would've been so damn valuable in that series

 

[do work son]

scratch trades with brewer involved. can't be traded.

 

[statis22]

Where is this Grevis Vasquez talk coming from, he's not a FA. Collison doesn't really improve us either.

 

[Peep Game]

Official Grevis talks I've heard does (obviously) involve a trade. For what exactly? I have no idea.

 

[bonafide hustla]

we need to (give up Dwight and) get in these trade talks with Boogie thoo. The iron is hot. ha.

 

[Retroballer]

Dwight was awesome in the playoffs. He's going no where.

 

[statis22]

Dwight was awesome in the playoffs. He's going no where.

So are you saying you wouldn't do it? Because I would.

 

[statis22]

Btw I'm all for trading that pick or any pick the Rockets get. No rookie is gonna get meaningful PT on this team as long as the contending window is open.

 

[bonafide hustla]

^still can't trade out of a deep draft for some marginal vet. The pick is tradeable, just not for something of low value or use.

and agree, Dwight was dominant on the defensive end in the playoffs. Very. Decent to good on the offensive end. None of that would stop any GM from trading him for Cousins though. It's wishful thinking. Kings not bout to do that

 

[do work son]

Where is this Grevis Vasquez talk coming from, he's not a FA. Collison doesn't really improve us either.

he wouldn't? you sure?

Dwight was awesome in the playoffs. He's going no where.

So are you saying you wouldn't do it? Because I would.

dwight and boogie both are represented by dan fegan. he's not gonna sacrifice one client for another

 

[bodadeezdoe]

I truly think beverly is gone. i can't imagine giving him more than 4-5 million a year. i think someone else, dallas or LA offers him more money.

I'm not completely sold on Llull because I'm afraid it'll be another Vasillis Spanoulis. That's partly why I want to add Collison and Stauskus. I trust Darren Collison. He'd be a solid option regardless if we bring Llull over or if we bring Beverly back. Not sure how to feel if we bring Beverly back AND bring LLull over. This doesn't even factor in drafting Jerrian Grant at 18 (that's assuming McHale plays him or any rookie we draft)

Then to address SF. I wonder about Brewer too. He's opting out of a 6 million dollar deal. I can't see us paying him more than that. Unless he takes a massive paycut, he's got to go too. That's why I'd like to look at Justin Anderson and RHJ.

RHJ

Justin Anderson

Highly prefer Justin Anderson over RHJ if given the opportunity, his ceiling defensively is much much higher in my opinion.

Wrote an article about how Houston must draft Anderson and his potential in the league

Justin Anderson Must Draft
 

 

[bonafide hustla]

do work son
Retroballer
#butwouldyoutradeDwightforBoogiethough...?

that's the only point (less) point being made. wishful thinking but yea.

 

[bonafide hustla]

Highly prefer Justin Anderson over RHJ if given the opportunity, his ceiling defensively is much much higher in my opinion.

Just wondering if you could expand upon this? RHJ looks like his ceiling is an all nba defender and has a lot of "dog" in him. but i know you said ceiling, so like what factors make his ceiling higher

 

[bonafide hustla]

Collison is too little imo

He's not stopping any of the top West PGs (despite his defense not being bad). or giving them problems on the other end. He'd be a good backup though, keeping offense fluid

Game is changing, unless your small guy is Curry/Westbrook level skill or athleticism, you need to have a big point guard out there defending them

 

[bodadeezdoe]

Just wondering if you could expand upon this? RHJ looks like his ceiling is an all nba defender and has a lot of "dog" in him. but i know you said ceiling, so like what factors make his ceiling higher

Besides the obvious (Anderson being more athletic, lateral quickness, length, footspeed), not knocking on the Sun Belt conference but the competition in the ACC is a lot tougher and more intense. Playing under Bennet at Virginia where defense was their cream of the crop puts Anderson at an edge mentally because it's instilled in his head that it's defense defense defense. Whereas RHJ at Georgia State being there primary scorer can afford to take a couple plays off here and there defensively as he's been known to watch the ball a lot.

RHJ has potential to be a good defensive player because as you said his "dog" mentality and his length but Anderson's whole career has been accredited to the impact he makes on defense. Anderson is a guy who WANTS to play defense whereas RHJ is a guy i believe doesnt want to play defense as much as he wants to shoot the ball

 

[bonafide hustla]

Besides the obvious (Anderson being more athletic, lateral quickness, length, footspeed), not knocking on the Sun Belt conference but the competition in the ACC is a lot tougher and more intense. Playing under Bennet at Virginia where defense was their cream of the crop puts Anderson at an edge mentally because it's instilled in his head that it's defense defense defense. Whereas RHJ at Georgia State being there primary scorer can afford to take a couple plays off here and there defensively as he's been known to watch the ball a lot.

RHJ has potential to be a good defensive player because as you said his "dog" mentality and his length but Anderson's whole career has been accredited to the impact he makes on defense. Anderson is a guy who WANTS to play defense whereas RHJ is a guy i believe doesnt want to play defense as much as he wants to shoot the ball

ah, I see the confusion...

RHJ = Rondae Hollis Jefferson (Zona, Pac 12)
(draft express link you posted was right. He's longer than that guy, marginally less athletic, and all the other stuff I said)



RJH = RJ Hunter. (GA State)

Who plays 0 defense. He's all offense.



Not that Anderson can't still have a higher ceiling, but Rondae to me is just another animal. I think he'll be a defensive specialist. Tony Allen ceiling imo (if he gets stronger)

Whereas I see Justin Anderson having a higher overall ceiling (both ends of the floor inclusive)