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that quote in the title is pretty much the reasoning behind cheating
"I don't care about learning, I just want the grade" vol. Is this where we are?
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I have a hard time believing that you went around and asked students whether they were there to learn or get a grade.Originally Posted by 2sappy
some of the stuff you guys are saying is true. in college there are people that either choose one side or the other. in the beginning of the quarter, there were a lot of people in my English class, for example. most of them were there to learn, while the rest were there just for the grade (I asked around). in the beginning of the course, the teach said that very few people were gonna get anything higher than an A. the next day, a few people dropped the class. fast forward to halfway through the course, people werent getting the grades that they wanted, so they stopped coming to class. in the span of a week the class went from about 25-30 people, to about 10-12. it was a shame because people were depriving themselves of the knowledge that they could have learned in this course, i mean the teach wasn't bad at all. he gave us topics that made you think differently about how you use words, as well as the world around you. anyway, i was gonna drop the course too cuz i wasnt doin so good, but i decided to stick it out, and it worked well for me (got a B by the way
). it sucks that people have forsaken the persuit of knowledge just for better grades. is this what our educational system has come to?
Regardless, I have put a lot of thought into this subject. Basically, the system is flawed in that most students are not interested in learning, but ratherobtaining the highest mark possible or simply getting a degree. This defeats the whole purpose of an educational institution, which is to TEACH its students.On the other hand, what choice do they have? They have to be able to distinguish between different levels of achievement, and grading the students is the onlyway to accomplish this. And besides, students are obviously still learning while trying to obtain high marks.
The worst is trying to get into a professional school like law or medicine. Grades are so important that it forces students who are interested in attendingthese schools to be so concerned about their grades and admissions test scores that there really isn't any time to worry about what you're learning.But again, this is the most efficient way for professional schools to assess a candidate's likelihood of success. In fact, I'm sure they're not atall concerned with how much students have learned while obtaining their degree, but rather that they have the ability to succeed in a more intellectuallydemanding endeavor.
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^^ you got it. it's a catch-22.
The only recourse is that higher institutions that really care about what kind of student they are accepting do interviews and really examine transcripts. Thatseparates the fakers with the 4.0s and the real students. You'll also hear a lot that the best students take the hard classes and still get the 4.0, theproblem is separating the next couple tiers with the slackers and the ambitious underachievers.
The only recourse is that higher institutions that really care about what kind of student they are accepting do interviews and really examine transcripts. Thatseparates the fakers with the 4.0s and the real students. You'll also hear a lot that the best students take the hard classes and still get the 4.0, theproblem is separating the next couple tiers with the slackers and the ambitious underachievers.
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I mean are you suppose to get F's and be like well at least i learned something.
At the end of the day I'd rather Have a high grade in a class and care less that I learned anything. Unless I need it for my career or something like that.Plus if you're getting good grades, you should be learning things right?
At the end of the day I'd rather Have a high grade in a class and care less that I learned anything. Unless I need it for my career or something like that.Plus if you're getting good grades, you should be learning things right?
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worldbeefreeg wrote:
iBlink wrote:
I'm talking to a friend and a friend of his about school. I'm a poli sci major and she's scheduled to take a poli sci class next semester. I then proceed to tell her my old professor is a pretty good one. He's hard, but you'll learn the stuff he teaches for sure. The girl, who's rather cute IMO, then proceeds to say she doesn't care about learning, she's only concerned with her grade. I couldn't believe it; that's straight up high school mentality man.
Jesus told her she that she should only care about grades. He's present with her at all times.
Word. Kinda sucks that you messed up the phrasing a bit.
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^^ nobody is talking about F's, we're talking about easy-A's in classes like underwater basketweaving vs taking challenging but more"rewarding" electives like writing, economics, foreign language, math (that your major doesn't require) where you are not guaranteed an A.
In theatre appreciation the grading was so curved that I only needed to get 8 questions right out of 80 on the final to get an A. The class was half empty onlecture days and completely full on test days because the exams were very easy and the notes were available for sale from a private company. Compare that totaking Western Civilization which requires 2 research papers and 3 difficult exams. A studious person could learn almost as much from both, but your averagecollege kid like you will take theatre and take the guaranteed A.
In theatre appreciation the grading was so curved that I only needed to get 8 questions right out of 80 on the final to get an A. The class was half empty onlecture days and completely full on test days because the exams were very easy and the notes were available for sale from a private company. Compare that totaking Western Civilization which requires 2 research papers and 3 difficult exams. A studious person could learn almost as much from both, but your averagecollege kid like you will take theatre and take the guaranteed A.
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You're right, I am just relating things to the people I know who did what I described. I also do know people who just did the work for the grades, and arecaking large.
