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Originally Posted by AddictedToFreshKicks
Is Kobe still Top 5?
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NO, lock it up
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SKA, just ban this guy already
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Dont know why this post went for 9 plus pages but then again this Niketalk and some on here have gone on to E-Fame for posting nonsense right here in theSports & Training forum. We all know who they are with their bad predictions and bad evaluations of talent just to start stuff or to annoy.
But back to the topic. So Lebron playing out of his mind while Kobe is coasting is still a close race but Id give the MVP to Lebron. Of course anyone with abrain and not clouded by hate would know Kobe is still top 5 even though his need to control a game is down due to his teams success. But when it comes down tohe's there to take control eithe by scoring or playmaking. Like the setting up of Pau against the Celtics last week or just knowing when to step up whenhis team isnt bringing it.
So yes still top 2 but behind Lebron who is on another level and yet still only 24.
But back to the topic. So Lebron playing out of his mind while Kobe is coasting is still a close race but Id give the MVP to Lebron. Of course anyone with abrain and not clouded by hate would know Kobe is still top 5 even though his need to control a game is down due to his teams success. But when it comes down tohe's there to take control eithe by scoring or playmaking. Like the setting up of Pau against the Celtics last week or just knowing when to step up whenhis team isnt bringing it.
So yes still top 2 but behind Lebron who is on another level and yet still only 24.
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LOLOL.
Hey 2pac, Lbj has more TO by 0.1.
you're a funny dude. You sir are trying really HARD.
Have you ever heard of A/T ratio? Do you also remember Kobe avging around 4 TO's when he tried to become a "playmaker" when he was around 26?
Dude's just not born with court vision:
I never said Kobe hasn't made a clutch basket. I said he hasn't been that clutch. No?
Lebron against Pistons (game5) > Any performance by Kobe (yes including the pacers series with Shaq)
I'll name a few players that LBJ held to 10pts more or less off the top: Granger, Melo, VC, JJ, and some more all-star material that I can't remember.
And you REALLY didn't wanna bring up DWADE here.
Kobe can't guard Dwade to save his wife. Wade drops 40s 30s regularly against Kobe.
Wade can get by Kobe at will. Don't you watch the game?
Didn't Wade also play Lebron recently? He had like 20 with 30% fg. and 29 which was a great game by Wade.
I mean if I was an NBA player, it'd be harder to shoot over and drive on LBJ than Kobe.
LBJ is taller, longer, and more athletic. No? Even Wade is slightly more athletic than Kobe.
(And you don't wanna bring up other aspects of basketball like: court vision, rebound, leadership, potential, and what not)
I understand how hard it is to see your fav player not being no.1
I know it's hard.
I'd be pissed to.
But it is what it is.
That being said,
1. Lebron
2a Kobe
2b Wade
I'm not a hater. Why hate kobe? For what? Really.
Hey 2pac, Lbj has more TO by 0.1.
you're a funny dude. You sir are trying really HARD.
Have you ever heard of A/T ratio? Do you also remember Kobe avging around 4 TO's when he tried to become a "playmaker" when he was around 26?
Dude's just not born with court vision:
I never said Kobe hasn't made a clutch basket. I said he hasn't been that clutch. No?
Lebron against Pistons (game5) > Any performance by Kobe (yes including the pacers series with Shaq)
I'll name a few players that LBJ held to 10pts more or less off the top: Granger, Melo, VC, JJ, and some more all-star material that I can't remember.
And you REALLY didn't wanna bring up DWADE here.
Kobe can't guard Dwade to save his wife. Wade drops 40s 30s regularly against Kobe.
Wade can get by Kobe at will. Don't you watch the game?
Didn't Wade also play Lebron recently? He had like 20 with 30% fg. and 29 which was a great game by Wade.
I mean if I was an NBA player, it'd be harder to shoot over and drive on LBJ than Kobe.
LBJ is taller, longer, and more athletic. No? Even Wade is slightly more athletic than Kobe.
(And you don't wanna bring up other aspects of basketball like: court vision, rebound, leadership, potential, and what not)
I understand how hard it is to see your fav player not being no.1
I know it's hard.
I'd be pissed to.
But it is what it is.
That being said,
1. Lebron
2a Kobe
2b Wade
I'm not a hater. Why hate kobe? For what? Really.
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^^
you brought up stats comparing lebron over kobe... so i brought up stats comparing wade over lebron..
lebron game 5... tell me when has lebron ever scored 81 points
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LOL. Playoffs > Season
I mean are we really talking about Raptors here?
LBJ's game 5 was listed as top 5 performance of all-time by nba.com
Should I listen to you or NBA.com?
STOP already.
Also wade has better stats AKA more minutes.
Happy new year.
I mean are we really talking about Raptors here?
LBJ's game 5 was listed as top 5 performance of all-time by nba.com
Should I listen to you or NBA.com?
STOP already.
Also wade has better stats AKA more minutes.
Happy new year.
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How silly of me to forget.
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wade 37.1... lebron 36.6...
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Kobe is the best player in the league skill wise!!!!!
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Question:
So overall, if you were starting a NEW team and had the option between Kobe,Wade,and KG..Which would you pick?
So overall, if you were starting a NEW team and had the option between Kobe,Wade,and KG..Which would you pick?
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^If there'sno Lebron, then best choice seems like Wade b/c he's younger.
Dear pacific nw.
I mean if you really wanna go with stats.
Wade is getting more pts and asst by less than 1.
Steals and blks by .3 but worse fg, ft, reb, TO, worse 3pt shooter.
So what's your point? Wade > LBJ?
I mean do people from Seattle or Tachoma or where youre from think that way?
Just curious.
Besides Pat riley, every NBA gm would want LBJ over wade.
Word to NY KNICKS!
Dear pacific nw.
I mean if you really wanna go with stats.
Wade is getting more pts and asst by less than 1.
Steals and blks by .3 but worse fg, ft, reb, TO, worse 3pt shooter.
So what's your point? Wade > LBJ?
I mean do people from Seattle or Tachoma or where youre from think that way?
Just curious.
Besides Pat riley, every NBA gm would want LBJ over wade.
Word to NY KNICKS!
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But that isnt the point of this thread.
We know lebron is the future of the nba. We know he is phenomenal. But we're not asking about the future. We're talking about now, who would you wantwith the ball in the closing seconds of an important game? Simple as that. If you pick lebron, fine. If you pick dwade, fine. THATS okay, as long as kobe iswithin the top 3-5 names mentioned (if not #1), then you wont be known as a fool.
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Are you dudes dumb? How is Kobe the 5th best player in the NBA? If you put Kevin Garnett , Dwade or any player other than Lebron ahead of him you are nuts. Ifit were not for Kobes shot selection he would be still the best and he would be near Jordan. Think about it. Same number of shots at say 50%, thats thedifference between he and Mike. Wades height limits him, I have seen length bother him on many occasions. KG isnt a winner. Allen and Pierce,combined with someLakers being mentally inept won them that series.
Dwight? he doesnt even have 3 post moves. Brandon Roy is product of being the only player on that team that can create his own shot. Webster? Rudy cant. Odencant, Outlaw cant, who else? Lamarcus cant. Paul is the same way but I actually like his game, his D is overrated and D Williams is a better player whenhealthy.
Dwight? he doesnt even have 3 post moves. Brandon Roy is product of being the only player on that team that can create his own shot. Webster? Rudy cant. Odencant, Outlaw cant, who else? Lamarcus cant. Paul is the same way but I actually like his game, his D is overrated and D Williams is a better player whenhealthy.
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more blks and steals could mean that he's a better defender.
i means blks and steals = defense last time i checked.
and we already talked about 1on1 defense being similar.
and lebron better at weak side help D
i means blks and steals = defense last time i checked.
and we already talked about 1on1 defense being similar.
and lebron better at weak side help D
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pause.
Mike had better athleticism. better D, stronger mentality. You could tell he wanted to kill someone.
Kobe's competive, but I never see like..deng this dude wants to kill other oponents.
It's not that MJ had better shot selection. It's just that he could make tough shots more often.
MJ prolly had like 1 acrobatic move per game. Kobe maybe once a week or so.
Hes not better mentally, he was a lot more athletic but Kobe is a better jump shooter. I saw MJ take maybe 40 bad shots a year, Kobe does that in 3 weeks atmost. Phil tells Kobe to play D like that, his job is to b the "rover"
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pause.
Mike had better athleticism. better D, stronger mentality. You could tell he wanted to kill someone.
Kobe's competive, but I never see like..deng this dude wants to kill other oponents.
It's not that MJ had better shot selection. It's just that he could make tough shots more often.
MJ prolly had like 1 acrobatic move per game. Kobe maybe once a week or so.
you must be new to watching professional basketball
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I just want my question answered by those who think Kobe has been surpassed.
ARE YOU TALKING JUST THIS SEASON OR SO AND SO IS BETTER THAN KOBE EVER HAS BEEN?
If you saying so and so is better than Kobe has ever been you really on crack. Because you fail for the fact you place Kobe at #2 or #3 right now when he'scoasting and not being super individual.
Oh note he's got technically 3, 7 footers on the floor at times so boards will be hard to come by but yet he still get 5+, runs the triangle which is anequal opportunity offense with everyone being a playmaker and yet still get 5+ dimes, and still is top 3 in scoring and could at any time go on a run in oneweek that could propel him to #1 with over 30 a game.
Bron and Wade are controlling the ball and yet not sniffing 30 a game for an average.
End this nonsense.
ARE YOU TALKING JUST THIS SEASON OR SO AND SO IS BETTER THAN KOBE EVER HAS BEEN?
If you saying so and so is better than Kobe has ever been you really on crack. Because you fail for the fact you place Kobe at #2 or #3 right now when he'scoasting and not being super individual.
Oh note he's got technically 3, 7 footers on the floor at times so boards will be hard to come by but yet he still get 5+, runs the triangle which is anequal opportunity offense with everyone being a playmaker and yet still get 5+ dimes, and still is top 3 in scoring and could at any time go on a run in oneweek that could propel him to #1 with over 30 a game.
Bron and Wade are controlling the ball and yet not sniffing 30 a game for an average.
End this nonsense.
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Kobe is the best clutch player in the league... He is a great defender... Kobe has the best all around skills...
Kobe is number 1... let them fight it out for number 2.... clutch > stats
Kobe is number 1... let them fight it out for number 2.... clutch > stats
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And since you're clearly basing your rankings off of stats, KG has no business being in your top 5.
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Kobe's had far more big playoff performances than Lebron.
