Junior seau involved in shooting

[xzstrikaxz]

Not a big football guy, but this is so sad . Watching Willey on Espn made me tear up, it was just too real. I remember when Seau came to the TD Garden where I work, to film "sports jobs" (his show) , he was real down to earth even when the cameras where not on. I remember us talking about how corny he was (in a good way), because he would be joking ,making corny jokes, just having fun with everyone the whole time. You would never guess you were in the presence of a Legend, but thats part of what made him special . Great guy RIP

 

[Animal Thug]

"Budddyyyy".

What's crazy is that I knew a Samoan in SF that was really cool peoples man, dude used to call everyone 'Buddy' - and it dawned on me today realizing that Junior used to say this all the time according to numerous people - but it showed me how much of an influence Junior Seau was to his own Samoan people.

. RIP man.

 

[scarsorscabs]

Originally Posted by Lightweight Champion

Originally Posted by ShadyKay NT

Originally Posted by NoneOfYours25

RIP Seau



I'm not totally convinced this was suicide. I just don't see someone bout to kill themselves and say "wait let me not put the bullet in my brain so they can study it when I'm finished; let me shoot myself in the chest instead."



Have they announced the relationship of the guy at his and Seau yet?

Another NFL player did that before. He explained why on his suicide note.

But this is why it's beyond my comprehension. Committing suicide is the most selfish thing anyone can do. But to have the wherewithal to think "Let me be SELFLESS and GIVE my brain to science" is the most UNSELFISH thing he could've done. Totally blows my mind that in his moment of death he was both as selfish and unselfish as he will ever be.

You can't rationalize it, as much as you want to try.  And it's not like someone who is suicidal sits there and thinks, "I'm a selfish person"...that's just the judgement of those of us on the outside looking in who can't understand it.  You just don't know.  It's possible that he was so tormented by whatever was going on in his head and whether he sought treatment or not and he just did not want to be alive anymore.  I'm not saying it's right but it doesn't mean he didn't think clearly otherwise and know that it would allow his brain to be studied.  I would imagine he, and a lot of NFL players, was aware of Dave Duerson's suicide who DID write a note asking for his brain to be studied.
I'm not sure how to say this because I don't believe in speaking negatively about the dead unless they truly deserve it but let's be honest, it's likely that he was actually trying to kill himself when his car when off of the cliff a couple years ago (right after being arrested).  I believe wholeheartedly that he was a great guy but that he had issues like anyone else no matter how different his may have been. 

 

[gunna get it]

I used to think of people who committed suicide as selfish as well but then I met someone and got to know someone who suffers Severe clinical depression and its Not at all selfish. there is definite mental anguish and pain and some folks dont know/have a way out.

I also know a former NFL player who was in similar mental spot as some of these cases and its Not as easy as a rational human makes it to be because the person is no longer "rational"

Mental illness/depression is very real and that so-called solution is much more than "selfish act"

 

[champcruthik]

Very good post, Gunna. Many people don't realize or understand the severity of depression's effect on daily life. It's truly a lifelong battle and struggle.

 

[mjshoefanatic]

#RIPToALegend

 

[Lizakers]

Maybe he wanted his family to be able to see his face and have open casket funeral, shooting yourself in the head essentially blows up your head
RIP

such a shock

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Originally Posted by lakersreppa008

Originally Posted by ChampCruThik

Man, listening to Marcellus Wiley nearly brought me to tears. Raw, pure emotion. "We were here for you, man. Why didn't you let us know?" Mike and Mike said Junior texted his ex-wife and kids, "I love you," on Tuesday night.

This is such a tragic story. 

R.I.P #55

Man

This is so crazy, Im just waiting for more information to come out.


R.I.P Junior Seau

  

 

[kevin cleveland]

The blanket "it's selfish" statement is so detrimental. Who is anyone to make that judgment? Who is anyone to tarnish the life that was lived like that? Do you think family and friends who have to deal with the aftermath of a suicide want to hear !+%* like that? That mindset is what's selfish.

And it bears repeating: no knows what someone else is suffering through. Not in any one instance ever. And to apply it to every case? Sheer ignorance.

 

[airjordan jb23]

The interviews with Marcellus Wiley & Juniors mom was real tough to watch. 

 

[gameover2]

RIP

That deadspin story was a great read.

 

[gangsta207therevolution]

Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

I used to think of people who committed suicide as selfish as well but then I met someone and got to know someone who suffers Severe clinical depression and its Not at all selfish. there is definite mental anguish and pain and some folks dont know/have a way out.

I also know a former NFL player who was in similar mental spot as some of these cases and its Not as easy as a rational human makes it to be because the person is no longer "rational"

Mental illness/depression is very real and that so-called solution is much more than "selfish act"

That is the messed up part of it though. Some days its a "rational" day and others its not. Its fully believable that he had fun on Monday with the comrades and on Tuesday was in as deep a pit as ever before.

 

[buggz05]

Don't really know how to say this without condoning suicide.. but I think and always will think, that it is a selfish act to expect someone who can't stand to live, to not commit suicide just to keep you happy.

 

[gangsta207therevolution]

Originally Posted by buggz05

Don't really know how to say this without condoning suicide.. but I think and always will think, that it is a selfish act to expect someone who can't stand to live, to not commit suicide just to keep you happy.

Best way to say it....

 

[buggz05]

Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

are they positive it was a suicide?

Didnt the Chief of Police say no suicide note was found?

gun shot to the chest with a hand gun seems very odd to me.

They're saying that the fact he had shot himself in the chest, is the tell-tale sign of the suicide as kind of an ode to Dave Duerson's suicide note to have his brain studied for depression.

 

[shatterkneesinc]

Originally Posted by buggz05

Don't really know how to say this without condoning suicide.. but I think and always will think, that it is a selfish act to expect someone who can't stand to live, to not commit suicide just to keep you happy.

are you suggesting that living is bad for you?

 

[mike23theking]

I hate to derail this thread for a personal request, but I couldn't find the "Avy Request" thread.

Can anyone hook me up w/ this?
(start where the video pans from his jersey up) 0:50.5 - 0:57





Thanks in advance to whomever can hook this up. I'd really appreciate it.

 

[motivatedmidwestmogul]

Originally Posted by buggz05

Don't really know how to say this without condoning suicide.. but I think and always will think, that it is a selfish act to expect someone who can't stand to live, to not commit suicide just to keep you happy.

This. And I'd like to add that for those that say suicide is selfish, that's kinda the point. People are selfish in general. We choose how we live. We choose what we believe in. Some of us even choose to deny others the rights in the previous two sentences.... That's that %%#* I don't like.  

 

[gangsta207therevolution]

Originally Posted by MotivatedMidwestMogul

Originally Posted by buggz05

Don't really know how to say this without condoning suicide.. but I think and always will think, that it is a selfish act to expect someone who can't stand to live, to not commit suicide just to keep you happy.

This. And I'd like to add that for those that say suicide is selfish, that's kinda the point. People are selfish in general. We choose how we live. We choose what we believe in. Some of us even choose to deny others the rights in the previous two sentences.... That's that %%#* I don't like.  

The damn law denies it.
Its technically a crime.

It can be bad to live when the person doesnt want to cause they tend to be more reckless and inconsiderate of other peoples lives. 

 

[motivatedmidwestmogul]

Originally Posted by gangsta207therevolution

Originally Posted by MotivatedMidwestMogul

Originally Posted by buggz05

Don't really know how to say this without condoning suicide.. but I think and always will think, that it is a selfish act to expect someone who can't stand to live, to not commit suicide just to keep you happy.

This. And I'd like to add that for those that say suicide is selfish, that's kinda the point. People are selfish in general. We choose how we live. We choose what we believe in. Some of us even choose to deny others the rights in the previous two sentences.... That's that %%#* I don't like.  

The damn law denies it.
Its technically a crime.

It can be bad to live when the person doesnt want to cause they tend to be more reckless and inconsiderate of other peoples lives. 

Eh... The law is only concerned about cashing you out before you die. So anyway, note the hypocrisy of people who say "only God can judge me..."....then proceed to judge everyone else, particularly the suicide victim. I think they're afraid their God might not care as much as they do. So they reinforce each other's worldviews at the expense of depressed people and people on the brink -- thereby contributing to one of the causes of the very act they're so against. It's sad. Pathetic, even.

 

[gangsta207therevolution]

Originally Posted by MotivatedMidwestMogul

Originally Posted by gangsta207therevolution

Originally Posted by MotivatedMidwestMogul

This. And I'd like to add that for those that say suicide is selfish, that's kinda the point. People are selfish in general. We choose how we live. We choose what we believe in. Some of us even choose to deny others the rights in the previous two sentences.... That's that %%#* I don't like.  

The damn law denies it.
Its technically a crime.

It can be bad to live when the person doesnt want to cause they tend to be more reckless and inconsiderate of other peoples lives. 

Eh... The law is only concerned about cashing you out before you die. So anyway, note the hypocrisy of people who say "only God can judge me..."....then proceed to judge everyone else, particularly the suicide victim. I think they're afraid their God might not care as much as they do. So they reinforce each other's worldviews at the expense of depressed people and people on the brink -- thereby contributing to one of the causes of the very act they're so against. It's sad. Pathetic, even.

Yeah, its the truth, and its a culture problem too. Our particular culture is probably the most offensive of Human times when the nitty gritty is really examined. 

The " help" aint really help its more like a guilt trip, and it tries to change human nature.  If we are gone be selfish as a whole be selfish as a whole, dont try and masquerade as giving a true damn. Because the truth is that society is as a whole all about money, and for the majority of people less people = less money.

Less people to guilt trip into living = less money for the specialist who do the guilt tripping = less money for the material goods that person would buy in their lives. For my money society only functions because of depressed people. But thats just me and its too deep a spin off from Tiaina Baul "Junior" Seau Jr. 

While as a person I tend to hope I could find a person a reasonable and long term solution to depression and suicidal thoughts the facts of those situations at best are sketchy at being able to find a true solution.

 

[ooiron manoo]

Originally Posted by shatterkneesinc

Originally Posted by buggz05

Don't really know how to say this without condoning suicide.. but I think and always will think, that it is a selfish act to expect someone who can't stand to live, to not commit suicide just to keep you happy.

are you suggesting that living is bad for you?

Are you suggesting living is good for everyone?

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I used to think suicide was a selfish act, due to the emotional devastation it leaves behind (most of the time), then I think of how $$$%@@ up this world/life is.  This is coming from a silver lining, glass half full type dude.  

 

[Animal Thug]

So killing yourself is ok now?

.

 

[motivatedmidwestmogul]

Originally Posted by Animal Thug1539

So killing yourself is ok now?

.

I really don't see a problem with it, honestly. Why shouldn't people be allowed to end their own life? There's only 3 answers. The first has something to do with god/religion/what have you.... but IMO that's the individual's prerogative and we don't have a right to project our beliefs onto others. The second reason has to do with the emotional impact on the loved ones. But let's face it.. it's not like death is easy on the next-of-kin anyway. The 3rd answer is convention. It's just not.... normal. But so what? 

 

[scarsorscabs]

Originally Posted by Animal Thug1539

So killing yourself is ok now?

.

I don't necessarily see it as that but how can anyone who doesn't truly know someone else's struggle judge them?  Yeah, if you feel like your inability to buy Gucci and Louis is a struggle, that's pretty transparent but so many people struggle with inner demons that most can't comprehend.
If your life is absolutely torturous because of circumstances you cannot control, if living a life on prescriptions is still not helping or simply trapping you inside your own skin, what are you getting out of life?  There are some amazing people who've been through more than most of us can imagine and still keep pushing regardless of what life throws at them but not everyone is that strong.  We're all wired differently.

It's selfish to look at it as just an easy way out when you are not that person.  Sure, you can call them weak if you want but no matter how people want to mask it, everyone has their weaknesses, some just cut deeper than others to the point that people can't always overcome them.  There's something called quality of life and if every day is filled with more negativity than positivity no matter what you do, should you be forced to live?