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Yea, but Zo has been our most well rounded top draft pick. I can see the argument for the other guys the last few years.
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Yea, but Zo has been our most well rounded top draft pick. I can see the argument for the other guys the last few years.
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From Randle, to D.Lo, to BI and now Ball...
Relax.
I like Randle his game has gotten better but he isn't a franchise piece.
BI and Ball the jury is still out.
Relax.
I like Randle his game has gotten better but he isn't a franchise piece.
BI and Ball the jury is still out.
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I think the issue is they are completely shedding young talent entirely too early.
Either they’ve given up too quickly, or not even seen if something could gel.
Luckily Lakers have been drafting well or else they’d end up in Orlando Magic territory of drafting and getting young talents in trades. Then giving up on them and having Zero direction.
Either they’ve given up too quickly, or not even seen if something could gel.
Luckily Lakers have been drafting well or else they’d end up in Orlando Magic territory of drafting and getting young talents in trades. Then giving up on them and having Zero direction.
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Was it really too early for JC and Nance though?
JC is a poor man's Lou Williams and he makes more than him.
Nance doesn't move the needle.
Had we won the last three games, I don't know if we are having this conversation.
JC is a poor man's Lou Williams and he makes more than him.
Nance doesn't move the needle.
Had we won the last three games, I don't know if we are having this conversation.
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Mitchell is trash
High volume scorer on a bad team
Guaranteed he never sees a championship in his life
Much rather have ball
High volume scorer on a bad team
Guaranteed he never sees a championship in his life
Much rather have ball
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I’m counting guys who played on the roster, not camp invites or tryouts because those are always choices that can go either way, and for the 85 correct choices of not signing a guy, there’s 1 mistep (Whiteside) that overshadows it all.
On Mitch & Jimmy:
Bazemore
On Magic & Rob:
Russell
Nwaba
Black
Zubac (went from promise of a decent player to nothing at all. Let’s just be honest he’s gonna get traded in the offseason or as a filler next year)
Nance
Clarkson
So basically:
2014 1st - Julius Randle
2015 1st - D’Angelo Russell
2015 1st - Larry Nance Jr.
2015 2nd - Anthony Brown
2016 1st - Brandon Ingram
2017 1st - Lonzo Ball
2017 1st - Kyle Kuzma
2017 2nd - Josh Hart
2017 2nd - Thomas Bryant
And Randle is still a possibility to be let go.
This is from a team that is not really in the position to 3 of the last 4 years just blow away half or even an entire year of the draft.
Doesn’t have anything to do with losing the last 3. It’s just annoying, they are moving their chips so prematurely, especially for deals that are not ones that give a proper return. IT isn’t a good return because if he’s a rental, then bad choice. If he’s signed long term for what he’ll get in the market, then they really missed their goal.
If they hit, no big deal. But if they miss on their goal, this team is set back a ways.
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Yeah...dunno.
Russell is still the same inconsistent player.
I have no idea what is going on in practice that prevents Zubac from playing but another very inconsistent player.
A bunch of teams passed on whiteside.
While I liked Black, he still isn’t a player who moves the needle either.
I dunno.
We just have to see what happens in the summer before judging a lot of what have happened IMO.
I know we won’t all agree, but this team is still in a good position to get good.
Russell is still the same inconsistent player.
I have no idea what is going on in practice that prevents Zubac from playing but another very inconsistent player.
A bunch of teams passed on whiteside.
While I liked Black, he still isn’t a player who moves the needle either.
I dunno.
We just have to see what happens in the summer before judging a lot of what have happened IMO.
I know we won’t all agree, but this team is still in a good position to get good.
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Essential: curious you still think Dlo>Booker?
Crazy to think we could’ve had BI, Kuz, Randle, Mitchell and Booker/Porzingis on this team right now
Crazy to think we could’ve had BI, Kuz, Randle, Mitchell and Booker/Porzingis on this team right now
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Yes.
Booker a better scorer and more athletic, but offensively Russell himself is a good scorer, and has improved getting to the hoop and scoring around the hoop, and is a better passer.
And defensively the gap between Russell and Booker would make any Booker advantage on offense pretty moot.
But Booker has had the better season clearly. DLo’s injury sidetracked him and he’s had trouble getting back in the swing of things. Hasn’t been able to get his shooting stroke together.
I’d still take Russell, if I’m going strictly based on their skills. The injuries give me pause, to consider Booker, but just who they are as players give me Russell. I wouldn’t fight anybody who took Booker. And would grant the injury aspect. But I still think you’re more likely to win with a player like Russell than you are Booker
Booker a better scorer and more athletic, but offensively Russell himself is a good scorer, and has improved getting to the hoop and scoring around the hoop, and is a better passer.
And defensively the gap between Russell and Booker would make any Booker advantage on offense pretty moot.
But Booker has had the better season clearly. DLo’s injury sidetracked him and he’s had trouble getting back in the swing of things. Hasn’t been able to get his shooting stroke together.
I’d still take Russell, if I’m going strictly based on their skills. The injuries give me pause, to consider Booker, but just who they are as players give me Russell. I wouldn’t fight anybody who took Booker. And would grant the injury aspect. But I still think you’re more likely to win with a player like Russell than you are Booker
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Nobody was looking at Booker or Mitchell or Porzingis as a top 3 pick. Tatum maybe. We picked who most “experts” or “analysts” had as top 3 picks
It’s really amazing though to think who we COULD HAVE picked. And that’s what made OKC and GS so great. They hit the jackpot on ALL their picks. Steph/Klay/Dray. KD/Russ/Harden.
It’s really amazing though to think who we COULD HAVE picked. And that’s what made OKC and GS so great. They hit the jackpot on ALL their picks. Steph/Klay/Dray. KD/Russ/Harden.
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Well isn’t that how it always goes. Had we took Kuzma at 2, we’d have riots.
Can only go based on talent they have going into the draft and where they can go from there.
But even Lonzo/DLo/Ingram/Kuz/Randle would have been pretty damn amazing.
Can only go based on talent they have going into the draft and where they can go from there.
But even Lonzo/DLo/Ingram/Kuz/Randle would have been pretty damn amazing.
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Idk about Dlo>booker. I just don’t see it. I mean, one is a real 2 and the other is a hybrid that thinks he’s a true one.
But, bruh. You can’t be serious about caping for some of these guys.
So basically:
2014 1st - Julius Randle
2014 2nd - Jordan Clarkson
2015 1st - D’Angelo Russell
2015 2nd - Larry Nance Jr.
2015 2nd - Anthony Brown
2016 1st - Brandon Ingram
2016 2nd - Ivica Zubac
2017 1st - Lonzo Ball
2017 1st - Kyle Kuzma
2017 2nd - Josh Hart
2017 2nd - Thomas Bryant
It’s relatively obvious what they will develop into. What’s the point of having a team full of young bench rotation players?
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Russell doesn’t think he’s a 1. Coming into the league and even after he got traded he said he’s normally played as a 2 that has the ball in his hands a lot. Hence experience as a passer and vision.
We actually had the perfect role for him as well. Play him at the 2. Run the half court. Lonzo gets them running and slide to the 1 when Lonzo is out.
As for caping, it’s about returns. Anthony Brown stunk. But that still goes down as a wasted pick, on Jimmy and Mitch. There was no return for him. But everybody else the return has been meh at best. And if Randle ends up getting a major deal elsewhere (I’m betting he will, or at least the offer that Lakers have to match) then it’s another issue. Magic and Rob have set themselves up for very little room for error. And that’s a problem.
We actually had the perfect role for him as well. Play him at the 2. Run the half court. Lonzo gets them running and slide to the 1 when Lonzo is out.
As for caping, it’s about returns. Anthony Brown stunk. But that still goes down as a wasted pick, on Jimmy and Mitch. There was no return for him. But everybody else the return has been meh at best. And if Randle ends up getting a major deal elsewhere (I’m betting he will, or at least the offer that Lakers have to match) then it’s another issue. Magic and Rob have set themselves up for very little room for error. And that’s a problem.
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You think Utah is bad team?
U can guarantee he never sees a championship in his life? U got the powerball numbers too?
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Booker is way more consistent and a way better scorer than Dlo. Dlo is a better passer but not by that much, he's never even avg 5 assist. His career high is 4.8, same as Booker. Defensively they're equal.
I don't know how anybody can think Dlo is better than Devin Booker.
It's a good gap between them.
I don't know how anybody can think Dlo is better than Devin Booker.
It's a good gap between them.
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The gap wasn't really that big when both guys were healthy last year
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It was, Booker avg 22 a game. Dlo does nothing else to close the gap. Not as a playmaker or defender.
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Russell was *****ing about the lakers drafting lonzo prior to the draft. Everyone had this fantasy about him and Zo in the back court beside Dlo.
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He liked one tweet lol.
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You know what, you’re right.
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Here we go again ... the talk of D'lo ... and yet this is the only time
essential1
comes back.
You're right D'lo would have had a nice role on this squad as a shooter, with Zo dishing him the rock but at the end of the day he already wore out his welcome with management, once they knew what kind of work ethic he had ... they knew they had to get rid of him. I'm sure that whole Swaggy incident really divided the whole locker room as well.
I hope D'lo has a fantastic career in Brooklyn, but he doesn't strike me as the type to make the players around him better anyways, so he will probably be the dude that fills up a stat sheet but yet not go anywhere.
essential1
comes back.You're right D'lo would have had a nice role on this squad as a shooter, with Zo dishing him the rock but at the end of the day he already wore out his welcome with management, once they knew what kind of work ethic he had ... they knew they had to get rid of him. I'm sure that whole Swaggy incident really divided the whole locker room as well.
I hope D'lo has a fantastic career in Brooklyn, but he doesn't strike me as the type to make the players around him better anyways, so he will probably be the dude that fills up a stat sheet but yet not go anywhere.
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I tried not to.
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I actually wanted to talk more so about jettisoning younger players and it’s alarming rate it’s happened in 9 months.
But I was asked about DLo vs Booker.
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I actually wanted to talk more so about jettisoning younger players and it’s alarming rate it’s happened in 9 months.
But I was asked about DLo vs Booker.
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Booker also averaged 7 more minutes per game and 5 more shots for 6.4 more points. And despite the minutes difference D'lo still averaged more rebounds assists steals and the same blocks. So..
