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Laker win and a Utah loss at the least solidifies our playin spot
**LA LAKERS THREAD** Sitting on 17! 2023-2024 offseason begins
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It was dope to see AD playing up getting 18. He knows how big of a deal it is.
Hopefully we finally get to 500 tonight
:Something something same old team yada yada…
#1 defense in the last 15 games. We got something cooking here.
Hopefully we finally get to 500 tonight
:Something something same old team yada yada…
#1 defense in the last 15 games. We got something cooking here.
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That offense trash tho.
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kate upton ???
you need yourself a latina
you need yourself a latina
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True but I expect it to change when bron comes back.
Post trade deadline we started Beasley (who didn’t really produce outside the NOLA game) and Vando (we all love his perimeter defense but he’s a negative on offense, especially without Lebron). I think inserting Reaves into the starting lineup will have our offense slowly climbing. Once we get bron back our transition offense will once again become elite and our half court offense will become that much better.
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CP got his shirt off early for AD and Kate Upton
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I don't think it's his shirt off for Kate.
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CP is too old and young at the same the time for an indecent exposure charge.
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How Austin Reaves, Lakers will be impacted by CBA’s Gilbert Arenas provision
Generally speaking, an NBA player’s current team wields financial advantages when it comes time for them to hit free agency. From the potential ability to negotiate an extension beforehand to Bird rights, the league’s collective bargaining agreement deliberately (and properly, in my opinion) establishes ways for teams to keep talent around while preserving the ability for other teams to get involved.
That said, this summer has a prominent case featuring one of the more interesting wrinkles in that dynamic: the Gilbert Arenas provision. While the rest of this breakdown also applies to Chicago’s Ayo Dosunmu, Austin Reaves is the more exciting example as of now.
As Reaves has been on the Lakers for two seasons, the team possesses early Bird rights on him as his contract expires. That gives Rob Pelinka and the front office a few different avenues to re-sign Reaves, which may or may not be available in this specific circumstance:
Taking these together, the richest contract the Lakers can reasonably offer Reaves is that four-year, $50.8 million deal via early Bird rights, though it is important to note that cap-space caveat.
A short break for a history lesson: Back in 2003, Arenas broke out with the Warriors and scored 18.3 points per game as a full-time starter in just his second season. As the first pick of the second round, Arenas originally signed a two-year contract, so he was hitting restricted free agency with early Bird rights at a very opportune moment for him. At the time, the Warriors were capped out and had the same basic tools to retain Arenas that the Lakers wield now with Reaves but in a much lower cap environment. That created an opportunity for the Wizards to swoop in and extend a six-year, $65 million offer sheet that the Warriors did not have the realistic capacity to match, so Washington signed the eventual three-time All-Star. The owners and players responded to that situation by creating a new concept in the next CBA commonly called the Arenas provision where (in a simplified, abridged description) other teams are not allowed to sign early Bird restricted free agents to an offer sheet their current teams cannot match.
A logical response to that would be, “Is Reaves limited to that four-year, $50.8 million contract?” And, fortunately for him, the answer is no.
When owners and players created the Arenas provision, they also opened up a path for the affected restricted free agents through the offer sheet process. While offer sheets in this situation cannot go over the nontaxpayer MLE amount for the first two seasons (with up to a 5 percent bump in Year 2), they are allowed to push the third season of the offer sheet as far as the player in question’s full maximum salary for that year had the signing restriction not been in place for the first two seasons, though it can be lower than that, too, of course. For Reaves, that means another franchise could sign him to an offer sheet looking like this:
That is a whole lot more than $50.8 million. If this contract structure looks familiar, you might recall the last time these offer sheets made a huge splash, in 2012, when then-Rockets GM Daryl Morey signed Jeremy Lin and Ömer Aşık to offer sheets like this that the Knicks and Bulls, respectively, chose not to match. It is important to remember the last part of that: Even though these offer sheets were richer than new contracts the Knicks and Bulls could have offered themselves, both still had the power to match, so the Lakers could make different choices.
Something else to consider: Typically, a team only needs to have the financial flexibility to fit in a player’s actual first-year salary via cap space or exception. However, since the CBA creates such a big difference between where the contract starts and ends in these cases, a maximum allowable Reaves offer sheet like this requires $24.7 million in cap space: the average value of the entire contract rather than the first-year salary. This same calculation applies for an offer sheet that jumps more than a “normal” 5 percent in the third year but not all the way to Reaves’ max should that happen instead, so that narrows the pool of teams that can credibly make the offer in the first place. Also, the Lakers cannot sign-and-trade Reaves to a contract like this because, as discussed above, they do not have the ability to sign him to it in the first place.
That makes it an all-or-nothing proposition for both the Lakers and potential suitors, and the Arenas provision creates a fascinating dynamic because there is a scenario in which the Lakers can pay Reaves more than they can sign him to themselves but only if another team actually makes the bid and is willing to tie up its cap space as the Lakers decide whether or not to match.
Is there a team willing to roll those dice? Possibly, but not definitely. I project the Rockets, Jazz, Spurs, Magic, Thunder, Pacers and maybe the Hornets to wield the requisite cap space for an offer meaningfully over the nontaxpayer MLE whether it is the maximum allowable offer sheet or something lower than that. But prioritizing Reaves presents a huge risk since the Lakers can match and have a reasonably high chance of doing so, as losing another valued contributor without the ability to replace him would be incredibly damaging.
Generally speaking, an NBA player’s current team wields financial advantages when it comes time for them to hit free agency. From the potential ability to negotiate an extension beforehand to Bird rights, the league’s collective bargaining agreement deliberately (and properly, in my opinion) establishes ways for teams to keep talent around while preserving the ability for other teams to get involved.
That said, this summer has a prominent case featuring one of the more interesting wrinkles in that dynamic: the Gilbert Arenas provision. While the rest of this breakdown also applies to Chicago’s Ayo Dosunmu, Austin Reaves is the more exciting example as of now.
As Reaves has been on the Lakers for two seasons, the team possesses early Bird rights on him as his contract expires. That gives Rob Pelinka and the front office a few different avenues to re-sign Reaves, which may or may not be available in this specific circumstance:
- Bird rights: Since the Lakers have early Bird rights on Reaves, they can use them to sign him to a contract starting at the larger of 175 percent of his current salary or 105 percent of the league’s average salary for the previous season for up to four years. Using current projections, that would be an upper limit of roughly a four-year, $50.8 million contract.
- Midlevel exception: Not particularly relevant here because Reaves’ $11.3 million starting salary using early Bird rights is basically identical to the nontaxpayer MLE (currently projected starting salary of $11.368 million per RealGM), so the Lakers would much rather use early Bird to preserve their MLE to add new talent. Plus, Pelinka may not have the nontaxpayer MLE available because using it triggers the hard cap, and retaining other free agents such as D’Angelo Russell could push them over that threshold.
- Cap space: Technically speaking, any team can offer something beyond those other limitations using cap space, but I do not expect the Lakers to have it after their trade deadline deals. It’s possible but unlikely in this case.
Taking these together, the richest contract the Lakers can reasonably offer Reaves is that four-year, $50.8 million deal via early Bird rights, though it is important to note that cap-space caveat.
A short break for a history lesson: Back in 2003, Arenas broke out with the Warriors and scored 18.3 points per game as a full-time starter in just his second season. As the first pick of the second round, Arenas originally signed a two-year contract, so he was hitting restricted free agency with early Bird rights at a very opportune moment for him. At the time, the Warriors were capped out and had the same basic tools to retain Arenas that the Lakers wield now with Reaves but in a much lower cap environment. That created an opportunity for the Wizards to swoop in and extend a six-year, $65 million offer sheet that the Warriors did not have the realistic capacity to match, so Washington signed the eventual three-time All-Star. The owners and players responded to that situation by creating a new concept in the next CBA commonly called the Arenas provision where (in a simplified, abridged description) other teams are not allowed to sign early Bird restricted free agents to an offer sheet their current teams cannot match.
A logical response to that would be, “Is Reaves limited to that four-year, $50.8 million contract?” And, fortunately for him, the answer is no.
When owners and players created the Arenas provision, they also opened up a path for the affected restricted free agents through the offer sheet process. While offer sheets in this situation cannot go over the nontaxpayer MLE amount for the first two seasons (with up to a 5 percent bump in Year 2), they are allowed to push the third season of the offer sheet as far as the player in question’s full maximum salary for that year had the signing restriction not been in place for the first two seasons, though it can be lower than that, too, of course. For Reaves, that means another franchise could sign him to an offer sheet looking like this:
That is a whole lot more than $50.8 million. If this contract structure looks familiar, you might recall the last time these offer sheets made a huge splash, in 2012, when then-Rockets GM Daryl Morey signed Jeremy Lin and Ömer Aşık to offer sheets like this that the Knicks and Bulls, respectively, chose not to match. It is important to remember the last part of that: Even though these offer sheets were richer than new contracts the Knicks and Bulls could have offered themselves, both still had the power to match, so the Lakers could make different choices.
Something else to consider: Typically, a team only needs to have the financial flexibility to fit in a player’s actual first-year salary via cap space or exception. However, since the CBA creates such a big difference between where the contract starts and ends in these cases, a maximum allowable Reaves offer sheet like this requires $24.7 million in cap space: the average value of the entire contract rather than the first-year salary. This same calculation applies for an offer sheet that jumps more than a “normal” 5 percent in the third year but not all the way to Reaves’ max should that happen instead, so that narrows the pool of teams that can credibly make the offer in the first place. Also, the Lakers cannot sign-and-trade Reaves to a contract like this because, as discussed above, they do not have the ability to sign him to it in the first place.
That makes it an all-or-nothing proposition for both the Lakers and potential suitors, and the Arenas provision creates a fascinating dynamic because there is a scenario in which the Lakers can pay Reaves more than they can sign him to themselves but only if another team actually makes the bid and is willing to tie up its cap space as the Lakers decide whether or not to match.
Is there a team willing to roll those dice? Possibly, but not definitely. I project the Rockets, Jazz, Spurs, Magic, Thunder, Pacers and maybe the Hornets to wield the requisite cap space for an offer meaningfully over the nontaxpayer MLE whether it is the maximum allowable offer sheet or something lower than that. But prioritizing Reaves presents a huge risk since the Lakers can match and have a reasonably high chance of doing so, as losing another valued contributor without the ability to replace him would be incredibly damaging.
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AD in here reading CP and MVP tweets
That why he let the McTen article come out talking about he fell on the floor at home from the agony of injuries
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Here’s a thought
Stop signing 2nd rounders to 2 year deals.
Stop signing 2nd rounders to 2 year deals.
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if we win tonight we will be at .500 for the first time this season
unbelievable
being at .500 has escaped us all season so i expect a ****ing loss tonight
unbelievable
being at .500 has escaped us all season so i expect a ****ing loss tonight
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Season opener tonight
Let’s get it
Won’t be easy
Let’s get it
Won’t be easy
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I might rather match up with Memphis than Sacramento.
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This is a win. Bulls game is probably a loss tho
Iono. Ja. Their defense.....
I know Sac offense is tough but they aren't as good defensively. And I like our odds vs Mike Brown in the playoffs.
And I want to light their beam on fire.....
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We picking teams we want to match up with in the playoffs....
Does that fall under the category of taking our shirts off?
Does that fall under the category of taking our shirts off?
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CP’s going streaking to the quad.
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The west sucks. We can beat anybody.
Would just like to avoid the Suns with KD but I’m not scared of em.
The eastern conference teams are a different story.
Milwaukee, Philly and Boston been a cut above the rest of the league. Fortunate for us we only have to play 1 of those teams. Idk if we can beat the Bucks but I think we can beat Philly/Boston if things break our way.
Would just like to avoid the Suns with KD but I’m not scared of em.
The eastern conference teams are a different story.
Milwaukee, Philly and Boston been a cut above the rest of the league. Fortunate for us we only have to play 1 of those teams. Idk if we can beat the Bucks but I think we can beat Philly/Boston if things break our way.
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I’d take that if we split the Bulls games.
